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TAloco

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Atlantis Blue
« on: May 10, 2020, 12:37:26 PM »
Just curious, wondering how TA's were built painted Atlantis Blue?  Understand it was a one year color for 1979 and not many painted that color from the factory.  Any idea how to find out?

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Re: Atlantis Blue
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2020, 04:27:47 PM »
I dont think there is a breakdown on colours, 1979 was a banner year for the trans am, so even if 'not many' were painted that colour theres a good chance that it was still a lot of cars. Probably not as many as black though! 
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Re: Atlantis Blue
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2020, 12:21:28 AM »
I was just reading Rocky Rotella's book "The Definitive Firebird and Trans Am Guide 1970 1/2 - 1981". I saw where Rocky stated "...a total of 11 colors were available for the 1979 Firebird at model year startup, and all but Glacier Blue and Sierra Cooper were available on the Trans Am. With CDB 79-F-2 issued on June 19, 1978 Carmine was no longer available on the Trans Am, and Glacier Blue had been replaced by Atlantis Blue...".
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Rocky's book states 1979 Glacier Blue was paint code 24. In 1980, there was Tahoe Blue - code 24 and Nightwatch Blue , code 29. 1981 had Bright Blue Metallic , code 20 and Light Blue Metallic , Code 21. 1978 had Marinique Blue, code 24 and Lombard Blue , code 30. Looks like Pontiac did quite a bit of tweaking with Blue paint on 78-81 Trans Ams. I don't see any color production break down in the book for 1979, though Rocky does list optional totals for 1979 , example 33,819 Trans Ams had option WS6 and 8,693 had option W72 and 16,832 had option V02 (super cooling radiator). Book shows 117,108 for total Trans Ams produced for 1979.
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Having said all that ...I don't know how you could find out how many 1979 TA's were painted Atlantis Blue. Possibly PHS could determine?

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Re: Atlantis Blue
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2020, 06:58:07 AM »
PHS could do it, but they'd have to look through 200,000 cars, and it might even be still on microfilm.  They have done that, but I guess they just do what interests Jim.  it's not like anybody would really pay what it would cost to figure it out.

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Re: Atlantis Blue
« Reply #4 on: June 01, 2020, 06:08:39 PM »
They'd never reply to my responses, but I would be more than willing to catalogue into an excel spreadsheet a breakdown of every single PHS documented car they have on microfilm and provide it as public knowledge.

Every colour, every option, every year. I think 1979 could be done in a month. I think it's silly we have actually real documentation for our cars yet we haven't been able to provide exact numbers for things like paint colours etc. There was a document I got emailed a while ago with an approximate option break down for every 1979 Firebird, like what % came with A/C or door edge guards etc, but it has nothing on colour.
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Re: Atlantis Blue
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2020, 01:06:55 PM »
Max, I have actually spoke with mgmt at PHS and I don't think you understand the effort it would take to import all of that information into a useful database.  They don't just have firebird information, they have every pontiac during the time in which they used microfiche.  They have an entire warehouse or more full of them.  I cannot imagine they are even profiting on PHS fees enough to keep it going, so I would also doubt any investment into data retention media is in the future.  I was surprised it made it through the government shutting Pontiac down. 

For the original poster, which atlantis blue is a one year color, and I have a 79 atlantis blue firebird.  It really is only one year in name.  As stated, that color was used in 78 as martinique, and 80 as tahoe blue.    I actually think that color was quite popular, as I have seen quite a few in my area over the last 30 years.  It is my favorite color of all birds, so I'd say you have a good one for sure!
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Re: Atlantis Blue
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2020, 04:25:54 PM »
I wholeheartedly understand how much data there must be for the entire Pontiac line at the time. But if you sectioned it out, and went from here to you in an organised state I think it'd be a very interesting hobby. I didn't intend on doing it for the money I intended on doing it just for personal interest and as a hobby. from my line of work most of my job is spending 4-5 hours in front of a computer doing data entry and totals for point of sale systems or accounting software and importing them into spreadsheets. If it was done systemically I think it could be inevitably finished. if you were to take one PHS document for a Firebird average out that it had about 10 options, record the paint code interior code where it was made, and what dealership it was sold to, it would take about a minute. Do that 200000 times, and that's the 1979 Firebird line done. Sure it'd take half a year to do, but we have the information why let it go to waste. And what happens when phs closes down or when they retire? What happens if the microfilms deteriorate over time?
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Re: Atlantis Blue
« Reply #7 on: Today at 05:44:49 AM »
Sure it'd be interesting.  If you had all those microfilms you could have a good time.
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Re: Atlantis Blue
« Reply #8 on: Today at 07:20:46 AM »
I think Max is right, of course it could be accomplished with enough time and perhaps money. As far as PHS, its hard to get a legible copy as is, cant imagine this kind of commitment being made.
I was under the impression that Jim M was kind of a one man show. Honestly cant see that he could make a living through it. But I could be wrong. I would never expect someone to post that type of infor for free. His time involved has to be worth something.

Maybe someday all of the info will be turned over to a Pontiac museum or AACA where everyone can access on their own.
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Re: Atlantis Blue
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