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Front bumper removal question
« on: March 05, 2020, 04:53:11 PM »
It will be easier for me to put my engine back in the car with the front bumper off. My hoist was hitting the point of the bumper when taking the engine out and i didnt have enough boom (?) reach.
I've never taken fenders or body parts off and this is how far I got.  Two short straps each side of the hood catch, two  bolts on a bracket in the center of the bumper , about 4 bolts/ nuts each side where the fender meets the bumper,  a strap each side that connects to rad support by charcoal canister and by battery,, two bolts for hood release handle...
Next I moved on to.....but stopped...two Y shaped brackets  behind the grills held on by four large nuts each side.  I was only able to break 2 of them loose.
Does this sound right?
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2020, 07:52:27 PM »
Yea, that sounds about like all of them, soak the large bolts on the y brackets overnight with pb blaster and they should break loose.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2020, 08:00:26 PM »
Yup,,I soaked them.  I wasnt sure if removing certain brackets screwed up anything alignment wise.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2020, 06:48:46 AM »
As long as you didn't remove the "Y" shaped brackets from the subframe you'll be fine.  The slots in the brackets where they attach to the subframe is where most of the critical adjustments are.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2020, 06:53:39 AM »
As long as you didn't remove the "Y" shaped brackets from the subframe you'll be fine.  The slots in the brackets where they attach to the subframe is where most of the critical adjustments are.
Fortunately I removed the nuts from the bumper side, out of sheer luck
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2020, 07:00:48 AM »
Chris is right, you should be ok, plus I think its easier to do it the way you have started as opposed to taking the brackets off the stub frame. Honestly I have found the bolts that go into the fenders, especially at the top, to be the worst to get out. So it should be all down hill for you now.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2020, 03:52:13 PM »
Chris is right, you should be ok, plus I think its easier to do it the way you have started as opposed to taking the brackets off the stub frame. Honestly I have found the bolts that go into the fenders, especially at the top, to be the worst to get out. So it should be all down hill for you now.
Those bolts were easy for me,,the hard one are the nuts on those Y pieces. I only got 2 off...but today I bought a real long breaker bar (its raining).
Another question....the flat piece of metal where the hood catch and emission labels are stuck to,,,,is that a seperate plate that comes off? I'd like to paint it in my basement if I can.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2020, 10:08:04 AM »
Ive never tried to take it off, I doubt very much that it does. That is the top part of the core support, it may look like a separate plate but I think its either spot welded or pressed together somehow.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2020, 11:25:03 AM »
Ive never tried to take it off, I doubt very much that it does. That is the top part of the core support, it may look like a separate plate but I think its either spot welded or pressed together somehow.

Yeah,,,I was thinking along those lines. That really sucks...the drivers side bottom is really eaten away,,I believe battery acid is part of the problem.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2020, 02:47:34 PM »
As always,,,the last bolt gave me the problem. Of those 8 Y bracket nuts, I cant get one off.  The square shoulder of the carriage bolt side probably rounded out the square hole and the bolt and nut spins.  I saw it was slightly loose before I touched it so a previous owner must have tried and gave up.
Any ideas how to get a grip on the rounded end to get the nut off??

This is what it looks like  https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/wcsstore/CVWEB/staticproductimage//N3103A/large/5701546_rnb_45366_pri_larg.jpg
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2020, 07:16:32 AM »
Those are simple carriage bolts that you can replace with a part from tractor supply. I would cut it off. May be easiest to use a small angle grinder or even a cutting wheel in a Dremel. I think I had to cut a couple of them off the back bumper when I did my 77. Cut one side of the nut and then drive a chisel into it the cut. This should split the nut open and off.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2020, 10:39:16 AM »
Those are simple carriage bolts that you can replace with a part from tractor supply. I would cut it off. May be easiest to use a small angle grinder or even a cutting wheel in a Dremel. I think I had to cut a couple of them off the back bumper when I did my 77. Cut one side of the nut and then drive a chisel into it the cut. This should split the nut open and off.
Ok,,I'll give it a shot....thanks
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #12 on: March 10, 2020, 03:22:23 PM »
Another question....the flat piece of metal where the hood catch and emission labels are stuck to,,,,is that a seperate plate that comes off? I'd like to paint it in my basement if I can.

Not at all.  That is part of the radiator support so it's a welded assembly about 6 feet wide and 2 feet tall.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2020, 04:42:51 PM »
Quote from: firebirdparts

Not at all.  That is part of the radiator support so it's a welded assembly about 6 feet wide and 2 feet tall.
Yeah,,too bad
 I would liked to have cleaned it up. I got confused because I saw some support panel for camaro and firebird on ebay and it looked somewhat like the top part..it wasnt.

So I just got through dremeling the nut on two sides and chiseling it off. One half came off, the other was stuck to the bolt. More whacks with a bfh and chisel and finally,,the bumper fell onto my chest.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #14 on: March 11, 2020, 06:36:09 AM »
Glad you finally got it off, there is always that ONE bolt!  There is a repro battery tray that bolts in if that is the only part that is rusted on your core support. The bottom legs also bolt off and can be replaced if the rust went that far. Other than that its either weld and patch or replace.
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Re: Front bumper removal question
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Re: Front bumper removal question
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2020, 09:41:49 AM »
It seems most every bolt on the passenger side of the car has given me a problem.  I will get under the car and look at the pieces more to see how bad they are but I know I'm missing the lower front section of the wheel well, the  closeout piece(?) is rust welded to the support, the battery tray isnt even there.    I'm also missing a piece that I cant find on ebay or the repro sites .  There is a metal "strap" that goes from the top center nose bracket (the bracket that looks like a rhombus) down to the metal bumper that is behind the grill section.   I cant tell its purpose,  but I would think it gives vertical support to the area behind the front emblem, since the bottom bumper is firmly bolted to the frame Y pieces.

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