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Aus78Formula

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Door handle gap
« on: October 06, 2019, 06:47:24 PM »
Has anyone found different brands of door handles are worse for how tall they stand off the door? I've only had aftermarket handles to compare, cheap and nasty types, plus expensive types that appeared to be the same thing. The plastic door handle 'gasket' only makes them worse.

Here's a low mile 78 that is possibly original, not the best angle but looks ok. It does look like it may have a slight twist towards the opening end where pulled, making the near end appear better.

My current set has daylight either side of the mounting points and look terrible.

https://cdn.dealeraccelerate.com/cam/34/1452/51300/1920x1440/1978-pontiac-trans-am

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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2019, 06:12:45 AM »
I put n.o.s. (expensive) on my 77. I will be installing aftermarket on my 79 very soon, I will let you know how they compare.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #2 on: October 13, 2019, 07:15:03 AM »
Aus, J have some brand new repop handles somewhere I can put them on my newly painted doors and snap some pictures.  I also have the original doors with original handles. I can try to grab some pictures of them too. I'll try to grab them today for you.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #3 on: October 13, 2019, 08:10:46 AM »
I found the new OER repop stuff. After breakfast I'll go see if I can mount them. Quality is not the greatest.... Also, the didn't come with the two bolts to attach them.

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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #4 on: October 13, 2019, 08:24:05 AM »
Well, right off the bat the black backer doesn't seem to fit...
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #5 on: October 13, 2019, 09:14:50 AM »
Well the fitment isn't like the factory... Please ignore the orange peel. I haven't had time to wet sand and buff...







Sorry, my original door is standing on end.





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I may be on the hunt for nice originals.  I have a bunch off doors as a collection of parts so I'll have to see if I have some decent originals.  I don't like these repops... Thanks a lot Aus...
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2019, 07:01:23 AM »
If you have originals it may be worth having them replated. NOS which are getting harder to find are terribly expensive. I bought repros from rock auto for my 79 at about $20 e. Havent had a chance to put them on yet. My originals were broken in half.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2019, 09:28:23 AM »
I doo have a bunch of original handles. I sent a note off to a couple re-cromers that are somewhat nearby and that will take small orders. We'll see what the pricing comes back as.

Ames wants $147 for the driver and are out of stock for a passenger NOS units.

Depending on cost I may have a few sets done. One for my TA, one for my Formula and a set to sell or keep as backup. But I bet this won't be cheap.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2019, 10:28:58 AM »
Does GM still sell them?  I know they did about 10 years ago.  There are some parts that were used on many models that they tend to continue to offer.

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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2019, 06:45:11 AM »
It may be worth checking gm parts. I know looking back at some of the cars from that era, my guess is that they were used on a dozen different models.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #10 on: October 16, 2019, 06:13:12 AM »
The quote came back at $250 each handle to have a decent set re-chromed. Well that bites....
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2019, 07:00:47 AM »
WOW! That sounds a bit ridiculous, however I have no idea what the process is. I would still hold on to them just in case. I wonder if the process would weaken them any, the used ones I am familiar with have all been bent or broken, so I dont think they were that great to begin with.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2019, 07:28:54 AM »
I thought about blacking out a nice stock set... I have to do some more looking at the repop set to see if I can modify them at all so they sit better. I only installed the one so I could answer Aus's question. (and then he went AWOL) I am trying to get my paint all sanded, buffed and get the other parts painted. I'll revisit the repop handles again soon.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2019, 03:23:58 PM »
Yea, I want to order a new gasket set before I put mine on, otherwise would have done so by now.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2019, 10:11:50 PM »
Do your original door handles in the photos also have the gasket still in place? That seems half the problem with the new handles. I'll have to see how they compare without gasket to see if worth while recreating the gasket out of a very thin and compressible neoprene sheet or similar.

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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2019, 06:58:43 AM »
I sent a pair off to Paul's Chrome plating along with a TATA dome light about 10 years ago for a quote.  At that time, they wanted $290 per handle and $400 for the light!
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2019, 07:35:41 AM »
Yes, the original ones still have what's left of the gasket.

I have yet to mess with the repop but I am hoping with some delicate grinding I can get them to sit flatter.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2021, 01:27:34 AM »
Digging up my old thread. Did anyone improve their door handle without removing the plastic gasket piece? I was wondering if the original door handles sat in closer to the door than the repros, made worse by the gaskets behind them. Don't have much choice with that now, the few times I've seen NOS handles, they were rubbish quality and pitted. I'm still thinking of some sort of thin, compressible black neoprene rubber, would also seal better, albeit a minor issue, and absorb door handle noise, also a minor issue. I'll also need to see how my replacement handles sit on a bare door, might be too far out already.

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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2021, 07:44:13 AM »
I'll posted somewhere on here how I ground down the stop on a repop handle to get them to sit closer to the door skin. I'll see if I can find it.

Here, half way down this page http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=72567.680

You can see where I ground down the stop. This is the best I could get it. Remember some repops are better than others. I had three different kinds on hand.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2021, 11:29:32 AM »
2021-01-09_12-28-12 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
2021-01-09_12-28-02 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
This is DR side on my 77, NOS handle. Pass side looks the same.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #20 on: January 09, 2021, 07:39:33 PM »
Thanks Kerry, complete with gaskets, I presume?

Interesting idea, Luke, hadn't looked at anything like that to adjust the handles themselves.

Off topic, I found that Classic Industries had fairly close representations to the door strikers, with either Torx or allen key head too. The spacer washers differ from vehicle to vehicle with how much they needed to align with latch. There's also a handy nylon disc film washer for adjusting and not scratching paint.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #21 on: January 09, 2021, 08:23:17 PM »
The strikers sound interesting.  I'd be interested in those.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #22 on: January 11, 2021, 08:02:12 AM »
No gaskets, I got repros and typically they did not fit well at all.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #23 on: January 11, 2021, 11:37:32 AM »
I used the gaskets with my altered repops and the fit is pretty decent now. I'll get a picture for you.
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Re: Door handle gap
« Reply #24 on: January 11, 2021, 07:01:49 PM »
No gaskets, I got repros and typically they did not fit well at all.

Ok then, I'll have to compare them to mine without gaskets and see how they stick out.

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