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"MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« on: September 06, 2019, 10:03:38 AM »
So this week I was able to begin work on another new project car. A 1972 Firebird. I purchased this car in April of 2018 in Albuquerque and it was part of collection of sorts. I had bought with a 1970 Firebird and a collection of Firebird parts.
Originally this car was a 1972 Firebird Esprit with a 400/2V automatic and was Revere Silver with a dark blue interior. It had the TH400 transmission with a Posi rear. The car was last registered in 1996 and from what I can tell, it was not really running much since then. Fortunately it was from a dry area, and was at least stored in a covered area. Over the years it collected quite a bit of dirt and what not but still the body remains in great shape. I couldn't find any previous body work or major dents. The only issue it has bodywise is the trunk pan. Apparently something caused a rust issue in the center under the spare. Shouldn't be much of an issue because everything else looks great. The interior isn't great but I planned on re doing the interior anyhow. 

Mechanically , it isn't bad, the motor did turn over and the drivetrain looks good, but again I plan on going through it and rebuilding it. Same goes for the suspension and brakes. I pulled the Gas tank on found about 2 gallons of gas that went bad sometime back in the late 90's. The inside of the gas tank was really nasty, I mean really bad! This comes from sitting for so long, obviously.

I pulled the car into my workshop on Tuesday and started taking things off and looking things over. I got the front bumper off and found that it was in really good shape overall. The endura nose will need some attention but it is good solid piece. The next day I started removing the fenders, wheel housings, front radiator core support. All of it looked really good with no issues other that dust and dirt. The fenders and hood were in excellent shape and I could find no damage, rust or previous body work. I also cut out the exhaust pipes and drained some fluids out of the engine.

Yesterday I got the motor pulled out and as well as the gas tank, drive shaft, and engine accessories. Everything had dirt and dust on it which was fine by me. I had to spend a lot of time vacuuming and sweeping. With all the dirt I cleaned up, I am probably a landowner in N.M, there was quite a bit!

So the initial plan is take a part everything make a list and start working on it. It goes without saying that paint and body is a must. Im thinking about Lucerne Blue with black interior. As far as suspension and drivetrain goes, I want to keep the 400 engine. I will have the motor rebuilt but I will add a Holley Sniper. In addition I will most likely go with an Overdrive transmission (200r4) similar to what I have on my LeMans. Additionally a new cooling system and AC (vintage Air).

For Suspension I am going to make some upgrades but mostly keep it stock, (solid body bushings, Sub Frame Connectors, springs and shocks) Same with the brakes, just a few upgrades there. Most likely the plan also includes 17" rims.

So I kinda have my work cut out, but I have a really good feeling about this project. I called this project "MY 72" because of the vanity license plate that was still on the car when I bought it.

Here are some pics so far!
Jim


















 Inside the gas tank!








1979 Trans Am- Heritage Brown -W72 (Pontiac 400) -4Speed-WS6
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2019, 11:53:08 AM »
Wow! You guys with the rust free cars should have to restore at least one from the northeast, Ohio, Michigan area... It's just not fair...

Nice car you got there!
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2019, 12:39:29 PM »
The gas tank is rusty... does that count. I agree very nice car, you can't go wrong with an early 400.




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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2019, 11:07:04 PM »
The gas tank was absolutely horrible on the inside, the outside looked great, and I figured I’d be keeping it. Okay so it’s not completely rust free, the trunk pan will need to be replaced. This is the only bad rust I have seen so far. Otherwise it’s pretty good. That will be one thing I’ll probably do first. If anyone has any ideas on where to find good sheet metal patch for the trunk pan I’d certainly appreciate any advice.
Jim
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2019, 11:11:36 PM »
Wow! You guys with the rust free cars should have to restore at least one from the northeast, Ohio, Michigan area... It's just not fair...

Nice car you got there!
Thanks, I agree it would be a whole different story dealing with rusty cars. Sheet metal repair is a great skill to have . I am always amazed to see some of the work I’ve seen here on TAC.
Jim
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2019, 04:29:05 AM »
Really nice car!! I would check with Auto Metal Direct for the Trunk floor pan. I have always been happy with the fit and quality of their parts.
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2019, 08:12:40 AM »
Glad to see this getting done. Harder to find older ones in good shape!!

Impossible in my area!!

I look forward to the progress
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« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2019, 08:33:33 AM »
OK Jim, Here you go again trying to put the rest of us hobos to shame! Im sure this will be finished before mine, LOL.
Are you still planning on keeping the gas tank? If so, how will you clean it?  I haven't even looked at mine yet but figured they are pretty cheap and was planning on replacing with new. AMD should be fine for the floor pan. With a trunk pan you don't have the need to have body lines perfect and they can be made to fit pretty easy.
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2019, 10:18:31 AM »
I don't plan on keeping the gas tank. I wanted to try and re use it but the inside had quite a bit of corrosion. I felt for the price of a new tank wasn't really all that bad. I am going to check on AMD for a trunk pan and finally start to learn how to do sheet metal replacement. A very good friend of mine (who bought the 70 from me) is really great at that kind of stuff so he is going to show me how to do the work. He is really great at that kind of stuff and its convenient because his shop is next to mine. Body work and paint is something I really want to learn how to do, so I think that will be a learning focus for me.
To be honest I am always really impressed by the work I see you guys do on bodywork and paint, yet for me it is the one area that is my weak spot. No better time than the present to learn it!
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Jim
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2019, 10:39:37 PM »
So tried to clean up the engine today. I have the motor on a stand and it is heading off the be rebuilt this week. The outside was absolutely dirty and my best attempts to give it a cleaning got it better but it is still pretty filthy, at least on the outside. I took the external components off, intake, timing cover, oil pan, valley pan, valve covers and heads. I was very happy to see everything looked really clean. I was expecting a horror show, but it looked really good. There was about a 1/8" thick film at the bottom of the oil pan , mostly due to sitting for a long time, other wise everything looked very promising.
My plan for the motor is to bump the compression to 9.0 or a bit higher, add a 4bl intake (replacing the 2bl) swapping the heads from 7J2 stock to #11 heads I had from a 1970 400. The reason is because in 1972 the 7J2 head only had 3 bolts per side for the exhaust manifolds. I am going to use RARE ram air exhaust headers and unless I use the aftermarket exhaust brackets the 7J2 heads wont work with the Ram Air headers. So if anyone is looking for a good set of 7J2 heads with stock exhaust manifolds let me know. The #11 heads I am using will hopefully up the compression a bit more and will work out pretty good I feel.
I was pretty happy to see the timing cover was in excellent shape. It wasn't corroded and cleaned up really nice, same for the valley pan, dirty on the outside but very clean on the inside. I will probably replace the oil pan though. It is good shape but does not have any baffling. I like to have baffling in the oil pan because I feel it is a good idea. Honestly I believe this motor was rebuilt once before a long time ago but I am just glad it looks good on the inside.
I am going to go with an HEI distributor, most likely the Davis Distributor, and I plan on using the Holley sniper EFI. I am a big fan of the sniper and have had great luck with it on two other motors. I have an original Ram Air cleaner assembly that I will use to make it a fully functional Ram Air intake system.
My goal is to get around the upper 300's on the horsepower maybe 400hp. I don't want to go overboard because I prefer a more streetable engine. Basically I am going to use a similar setup that I did on my 79 400 motor I have in the TransAm.
The transmission right now is a THM400, I plan on getting that gone through and checked out as well.
Here are some engine pics so far.
Jim












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1977 Trans Am
1972 Firebird
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2019, 10:39:37 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: September 12, 2019, 06:58:44 PM »
Cool!!
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #11 on: September 12, 2019, 09:49:38 PM »
Congrats on the new project.  Looks like a really nice car.  I love the 'Pontiac 400' badge on the grill.  I'm not sure if I've seen that before. Very cool.   
It's been a long time gone, but I had the pleasure of driving my Dad's '77 TA with a 400 while I was in HS back in the '80s.  I fondly remember the 400 as a great torquey motor which (even with the relatively crappy AT's of the era) made it fun to drive. Made for easy burnouts! And, it would hang with the TA's and IROC Z's of the era.  And, the TB EFI sounds like a great upgrade!

I don't have any direct advice on the trunk panel repair, but I can tell you I was -not- happy with a replacement panel I ordered from Classic Industries. It did not have a Manufacturer noted in the catalog listing.  So I guess I 'd say maybe steer clear from ordering replacement panels where you can't tell if it's from a 'good' manufacturer (like AMD (as the others noted) or OER (a little less so in my humble opinion.

I don't think you need it, but 'Good luck' with it.  I'll be following around.
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2019, 04:09:05 PM »
Great project car Jim!  I also recommend AMD.  I didn't have any issues with the parts I ordered from them fitting.  I ended up with a complete trunk floor pan rather than a patch.  The only thing I would recommend is getting everything you need ordered at the same time so you don't end up with huge shipping costs.
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« Reply #13 on: September 19, 2019, 08:29:39 PM »
So for the last week I’ve been traveling between New Jersey and Atlanta. I back to New Jersey tomorrow morning and will be there till Wednesday or so. Fortunately before I left home, I got the motor dropped off at the builders. Really looking forward to having it rebuilt. I have a really good feeling about this project and it has been one I have been excited about. I have been helping my Dad over the last week in New Jersey, so needless to say I am anxious to head back to Vegas and get back on this project!
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2019, 10:47:15 PM »
Last week I was able to get back onto working on my 72. So far I’ve been stripping down the car and bagging and tagging. Remember when I said it was pretty much rust free? Well for the most part that’s true. However the trunk pans and some of the floor has some bad spots. Nothing terrible but will certainly have to be addressed. Good news is that typical rust prone areas looked pretty good.

I removed the interior,  front and rear glass. To my surprise I didn’t really find any surprises hiding under the seats or carpet. No ticket stubs, no funny cigs remnants, just some spare change. Must have had a fairly conservative owner over the years. Did find 54 cents in spare change though.

There is still a lot of dirt on the car despite my efforts to keep cleaning and vacuuming up 47 years of use. I have a five gallon vacuum and have emptied it twice. Although this is definitely the dirtiest car I’ve have it is cleaning up well. Once it’s cleaned up I’ll install a trunk pan and new floor . I’m actually looking forward to this because it is something new for me to learn.









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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
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« Reply #15 on: October 30, 2019, 11:01:28 PM »
That's good news if it still isn't too bad!!

Goes a long way to the restoration cost having good sheet metal
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #16 on: October 31, 2019, 04:48:25 AM »
Still in way better shape than any of my projects.  Looks good! It's nice to see a clean window channel and a rust free dash.
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #17 on: October 31, 2019, 07:12:20 AM »
And trunk rods that aren't rusted in half.
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« Reply #18 on: October 31, 2019, 03:15:00 PM »
I’m not really to worried about any of it . The lowest part of the floor pans are the worst, and even still no bad . Most likely I will replace the floor pan as a whole, considering there is rust holes in the lower bottoms in the front and back. I could patch panel them but I think I will just replace the whole floor pan itself. The rear window had the original seal ,whereas the front windshield had been replaced at one time or another. The rear window frame has the worst rust issues, but it really isn’t that bad, it just needs to be cleaned up , no serious issues.

My plan right now is to clean up the body, most likely remove the old seam sealer and apply new stuff. The old seam seal comes off really easy, and the good news is that for 47 years it has held up well, because it looks good underneath.

Mostly what I have going on now is just a lot of cleaning work to do. With that being said I will most likely put the body on a stand or rotisserie once I pull the sub frame.

Overall my goal is to restore it back to a really great driving car. Nothing really over the top or excessive. I’d like to keep things mostly stock with the exception of a few minor things( My nose is starting to grow right now..!).
 I do plan on AC upgrade with a vintage air unit, maybe a few suspension upgrades including SFCs and SBMs . I would also like to use a 200r4 transmission as well. I have one in the LeMans and I really like it as far as an overdrive transmission goes.
The motor will remain closer to stock but maybe with a mild cam ( I’m looking at a similar setup like I did on my 79, about 360hp/440tq).
The rear axle has a Posi gear but not sure of the ratio, I plan on 3:23 ratio. I’m tempted to add disc brake to the rear but honestly I’m fine with rear drums.
The original interior was blue with cloth seats, I might go with leather or vinyl but haven’t decided on that just yet either. I will install a Retrosound stereo , again I used it on the LeMans and was very happy with it as well.
As for wheels and tires I’m going to go with 17”Honeycomb rims. I’d prefer to use 15” Factory honeycomb rims but they are kinda scarce to find in restorable shape.
The original color was revere silver. I’ll probably go with Lucerne Blue.

For now the focus is just on cleaning it up and doing some repair work. Hopefully I won’t dig myself too deep into things, but if I do I will surely be posting about it!
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Jim
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2019, 12:15:49 AM »
So the last 2 months have been really busy for me and I haven't had the shop time I really want to have. But today I did get some time and I decided to build a stand for the Endura Nose. I did this mainly because while it is off the car, I don't want it to get damaged or distorted. The bumper is in pretty good shape but it will need to be stripped and it has surface cracks that will need to be addressed. Originally the car was Revere silver and at some point in life was painted white. I started sanding a few areas but I am thinking about media blasting it (with either plastic or walnut media). I could sand it down by hand by that would be very time consuming for sure. It is going to need some refurbishing work but overall its typical for it's age but is in very good shape and condition.

I built the stand out of some scrap metal tubing I had. I fabricated some simple mounts to attach to the bumper. It is a pretty simple set up and it keeps the nose rigid and supported while its off the car. I will make some attaching brackets so I can put it on an engine stand when I go to work on it. I think that this will make life easier when I go to work on it.
Jim







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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2019, 05:47:07 AM »
It looks good and its a great idea.
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2019, 01:21:04 PM »
I like the idea with the stand,
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2019, 01:45:12 PM »
Me too!!

It never occurred to me to do something like that...thanks for the idea!!
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« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2019, 11:11:40 PM »
A little more forward progress with the 72. Last week I ordered a Rotisserie . I have wanted one for quite some time and finally found a decent one at a pretty good price. I removed the rear axle and leaf spring as well as the subframe assembly. Right before I removed the subframe I realized I had not removed the fuel lines from the body to the frame. I wasn't going to reuse them anyhow so I just cut them off. When I did, some very old decrepit gas spilled out and it smelled and looked like death... Really nasty , fortunately it was just a small spill but man did it stink! Another good thing was that the subframe bolts came out very easy, no busted cage nuts!

Everything on this car is dirty, which was expected, but fortunately it is all cleaning up very nicely. I got the body mounted up to the rotisserie and everything hooked up pretty good. I attached the body at the forward subframe and made a bracket to mount to the rear shackle location. It can be mounted to the rear tail panel in the bumper location as well but since I will be doing some panel repair work to the trunk area I wanted to mount the rotisserie to the leaf spring location.

The major work to the body will mostly involve floor pan patches. I have been making a list of other minor things I will have to address but it will all be in good order.







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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #24 on: November 26, 2019, 07:48:58 AM »
You will love the rotisserie. Looks like a gear drive on the back to make it 'twirl'. That is a nice feature.
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« Reply #25 on: November 26, 2019, 09:59:40 AM »
It does have a gear drive which is a pretty good feature. The one thing I liked was the price I got the whole thing including shipping for just under 1200. Overall it is pretty good quality and works really well. I have been looking for a rotisserie for awhile and most used ones I found were around 1000 locally.

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« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2019, 08:36:30 AM »
I built mine that looks very much like yours, except for the gear drive. Its sitting behind my barn rusting presently. I have thought about selling it to someone that could put it to good use.
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2019, 01:20:29 PM »
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The one thing I liked was the price I got the whole thing including shipping for just under 1200. Overall it is pretty good quality and works really well.

Seems like a really good value with all the features and looks very well constructed.
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #28 on: December 01, 2019, 11:30:06 PM »
Today I had some time to make some final adjustments on the rotisserie. I used the crank handle and rotated it on the side. I can really see how this will be very helpful later on. I was able to give the underside a good look and not surprisingly there is a lot to clean up. The best thing is I won't have to be working upside down for the most part!
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« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2019, 11:40:49 PM »
I had taken pictures of a few things I found inside the car, mostly owner manuals and leftovers from the previous owners. I took some pictures of the interior before I started removing it. I also found a picture of an unknown woman (definitely from the 80's or 90's). I also have a copy of the build sheet. This car was nicely equipped for the day, even had a vinyl top too!
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #29 on: December 01, 2019, 11:40:49 PM »

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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #30 on: December 02, 2019, 05:48:43 AM »
Naw, that's a more recent than that, you can tell by the computer.... It's one of those new Tandy 1000s.  :-D

What is the goo running down the dash onto the floor? Hope that wasn't a po attempt at a repair....
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #31 on: December 02, 2019, 07:13:37 AM »
We had a Tandy 1000...hacked into the game (wasn't that difficult), Leisure Suit Larry...very entertaining when you're 12 years old

the goo looks like silicone maybe?

Question: Are you going to restore the car back to original?

Vinyl top and all?
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #32 on: December 02, 2019, 08:00:56 AM »
Theres a computer in that pic? LOL
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« Reply #33 on: December 02, 2019, 11:19:53 AM »
Not sure what that Goo is, It is still curing though! Obviously not the right stuff for the job. The das will get sent out for restoration. I plan to restore it back to mostly like original, sorta... :)
What my plan is to keep it mostly stock. I am going to use a Holly Sniper instead of a carb, Thinking about 17" Honey comb rims, stock suspension with minor performance additives. But all in all just nothing to out of the ordinary. Now I say this the same way I have said before, meaning I will probably change more than what I think. I will add an overdrive transmission and change out the rear gears to 3.23 ratio.  I am keeping the original motor, and it is being rebuilt right now. I have an original formula air cleaner for it and a pypes exhaust system and Ram Air exhaust manifolds.

I did get a set of Ring Brothers Door Hinges, so I am going to use them and find out if they really are all that great. I am looking forward to seeing how good they really are.

As for looks I have thought about a vinyl top but still debating that. Originally the car was revere silver with a blue interior. I am thinking about Lucerne Blue or Soul Red (Mazda color). The interior really depends on what I choose for the outside. I am thinking about white/blue interior or all blue or perhaps black since it is the easiest to do. My fiancé says I am wishy washy about this and I tell her that I am not, I just like to explore all options before making a decision.

For now, I just plan to get the body in good shape and do the repair work on the trunk and floors. One thing I was thinking about is how much easier it will be to install brake and fuel lines and other stuff while its on the rotisserie .

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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #34 on: December 02, 2019, 11:24:10 AM »
Theres a computer in that pic? LOL

Not sure if the pic is perhaps the previous owner of car, or girlfriend, wife, etc of the previous owner. The car was in Albuquerque its whole life so maybe somebody knows! :)
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #35 on: December 02, 2019, 03:51:36 PM »
Im an oddball in that I like the looks of a vinyl top. Guess because they were pretty common when I was a kid. I have seen a couple of cars that painted the roof a semi gloss black where the vinyl top was. It looked pretty cool.
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2019, 03:06:54 AM »
If I can find a set of trim pieces I would consider putting on a vinyl top. I kinda liked the look of them as well.
Jim
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2019, 09:13:21 AM »
The silver with blue would be pretty sweet

blue on blue also

well...anything works...these cars are awesome
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #38 on: December 06, 2019, 12:55:40 AM »
Today I started cleaning the under body. Like everything else it is pretty dirty (which is really an understatement). It is cleaning up pretty well but it is a lot of work to do. The degreaser I use is Crystal Clear from Simple Green. This stuff is really strong and effective. A few years back I started using it in my parts cleaner. When mixed at a 4:1 ratio with water it really dissolves grease grim and dirt. When used at a 2:1 ratio it will remove paint as well.

The dirt and grease was really caked on around the transmission tunnel. I started on the driver side and it cleans up well. Pretty messy but the job is getting done. I also removed the undercoating from the inner rear fender. This is a real pain in the neck. I used a scraper with a heat gun and it was easier to remove. Once I had a majority of the undercoating, I used 3M adhesive remover to clean the residue. The 3 M adhesive remover works great removing the undercoat residue. I really hate removing that stuff but it is removed easier with the 3M product. It also does a fantastic job removing carpet/ insulation residue on the floor.

I did find one other small area of rust on the front of rear quarter wheel opening. I don’t think it would be a big deal to repair. I still have a lot to clean up on the body once I have the cleaning done I will start working on replacing the rusted areas on the floor pans. I will never really trust myself the next time I think or say a car is rust free! :)
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
« Reply #39 on: December 06, 2019, 05:43:30 AM »
Well, I'm from Ohio and that is what we call rust free...

Looks great! Nice work.
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Re: "MY 72" - 1972 Firebird 400
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