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New Gauge option coming - sneak peak!
« on: June 14, 2019, 02:39:09 PM »
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I just got finished test fitting a new gauge cluster option, to be offered by New Vintage USA gauges.  These will mount in the stock location with the stock screws.  Their gauges have integral lights you can connect for highbeam, brake, check engine, etc, indicators.  It will have blinker indicators in the stock location.  Tach, speedo, fuel, oil pressure, and water temp gauges, and you can display the voltage in either the tach or speedo windows (OLED display).  They offer several styles of gauges, and you can pick which style you want.

Here is how the look right out of the box:



This set has dummy gauges, hollow, just to check for proper fit.  The 2-gauge pod fit perfectly in my car (73 T/A clone).  The big pod needed some tweaks, however.  I ended up taking it apart, modifying it several times, and finally got a nice fit.  I've sent it back to NV for them to analyze my modifications.  They will use that to make a new set of mounts, which they will send back to me and I'll be doing a 2nd test fit in probably 2 weeks.

Here is how it looked with the dash panel back in place:

 



NVU's website:  http://newvintageusallc.mybigcommerce.com/products/

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« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2019, 04:38:59 PM »
They look nice

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« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2019, 05:00:07 PM »
I like it, how about the oil pressure and water temp?




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« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2019, 05:07:10 PM »
The right two gauges are the oil pressure and water temp.  The fuel gauge is in the center, between tach and speedo.  Voltage will show (if you want it to) in either the tach or speedo digital window.

You can move the gauges around, if you want.  You can move the oil or water to the center, or whatever.  Tach and speedo can swap places too, if you wish.

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« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2019, 05:11:38 PM »
Click on the pictures, and you can zoom in some.

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« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2019, 07:47:49 PM »
There not being a red zone in the tach bothers me, though I guess they could customize that for you depending on your engine selection?  Otherwise I like them, understated yet somewhat modern so they should look good for years to come.

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« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2019, 08:07:28 PM »
Casey, they can customize gauges.  It costs more, but they can do some cool things.  Here is a picture of the tachometer they made for my Cutlass:



Here is the entire dash/gauge package I made for my Cutlass, using their  gauges:



As for the MPH, they also offer KPH.  Don't focus on the gauges in my pictures, rather the mounting system with blinkers and the other lights (high beam, brake, etc.) that you lose with other gauge systems.  Go to their website, they make a bunch of different series of gauges, and you can get ANY of them.

My Cutlass gauges are their "1969" series with some custom features (brushed stainless center cap on the needles, domed glass, custom printed face).  I'm thinking of their "Aviator" series for my T/A, as it has a red backlight, and my interior is red.

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« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2019, 09:05:22 PM »
Look neat. Don't you love how they still mark the case as TA, I bet their Camaro case says Camaro, not Z28.

I guess the lack of tacho red zone is perhaps better than just adding one based on factory engine X, although the average driver probably doesn't use it, or 2/3 of the speedo! Is the window on the tacho for a digital readout or just a warning light, could be wired as a shift light if so.
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« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2019, 09:08:33 PM »
I like the teal font on those.  I think red would work for the Trans Am, the 10th anniversary actually had red back lit gauges stock if I recall correctly.

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« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2019, 09:36:12 PM »
"Is the window on the tacho for a digital readout or just a warning light, could be wired as a shift light if so."

Here you go, info in the video:

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« Reply #10 on: June 15, 2019, 10:23:11 AM »
darn, just saw that the link did not work.  Go to the NVUSA website, and they have the videos posted that show how it works.

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« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2019, 02:42:02 PM »
Those look pretty sweet. GPS speedo?
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« Reply #12 on: June 15, 2019, 04:05:54 PM »
"GPS speedo?"

It is extra cost, about $110, but they do have an optional GPS system for their speedometers.

http://newvintageusallc.mybigcommerce.com/gps-speed-sender/

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« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2019, 06:28:09 AM »
The video link is not working, can you please repost, would love to see more.




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« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2019, 07:18:01 AM »
Jack, here is the direct link to one video:  https://youtu.be/uKsjPcx4l3s    #Invalid YouTube Link#

There are several other videos on their company website  http://newvintageusallc.mybigcommerce.com/products/

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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2019, 07:28:24 AM »
Very nice!  I need gauges for my Formula.

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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2019, 04:32:11 PM »
Nice gauges, how are they priced in comparison to Speedhut gauges ? Is a TA/Firebird logo available on the face of the gauges?

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« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2019, 04:59:53 PM »
Nice gauges, how are they priced in comparison to Speedhut gauges ? Is a TA/Firebird logo available on the face of the gauges?

Here is a link to their 2nd gen Camaro gauge packages.  These have one more gauge, so ours should be a bit cheaper.  This will also give you an idea of the variety of gauges they offer.  They can customize the look of the gauges as well, you'll just have to talk with them about the cost of that

http://newvintageusallc.mybigcommerce.com/70-78-camaro-gen-2/

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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2019, 08:58:34 AM »
How do they hook up, would I need to cut and splice my harness?  Can you show the instructions on how to hook them up?
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« Reply #19 on: June 17, 2019, 09:16:18 AM »
No instructions on these, at this time. 

Almost certain that some custom wiring will have to be done.

I will document what I have to do, once the mount design is finalized and I get a working set of gauges.

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« Reply #20 on: June 17, 2019, 02:09:45 PM »
No instructions on these, at this time. 

Almost certain that some custom wiring will have to be done.

I will document what I have to do, once the mount design is finalized and I get a working set of gauges.

Would the company be willing (or able) to make an adapter harness to make the installation easier?  Will you still use the factory turn signals, light switch/dimmer etc?  Will the dimmer work with the LED backlight?

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« Reply #21 on: June 17, 2019, 02:35:33 PM »


Would the company be willing (or able) to make an adapter harness to make the installation easier?  Will you still use the factory turn signals, light switch/dimmer etc?  Will the dimmer work with the LED backlight?

Here is a link to their video on the 2nd gen Camaro gauges.  In the last half, they show the wiring.  They provide a harness, but it requires tapping into the factory wiring, no adapter.

Turn indicators will be integral to the new housing.  High beam & brake indicators will be on gauge face.  LED's will most likely need a separate dimmer, on my other NVU gauges I had to tap into the parking light wire off the light switch, to provide proper voltage to the LEDs.

I've been working with NVU via e-mail and phone for much of the morning.  They are working to have updated mounts shipped out to me by Wednesday.  Probably be early next week before I get them in hand and can test fit them.

They are also looking for a solution to replace the "Lights Wiper Wash" prism.

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« Reply #22 on: June 17, 2019, 02:45:45 PM »
Link to 2nd gen gauge video -  https://youtu.be/outiwljK3U4

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« Reply #23 on: June 27, 2019, 11:13:43 AM »
2nd round of test fits done.  3rd panel design completed, and I should have it by the end of next week.

Note the extension on the left side.  It will hold an LED, and will replace the "prism" (which is often broken anyways) .


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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2019, 12:11:46 PM »
That's a nice added detail.  Those gauges do look good.  Getting rid of the double gauges is a good idea, I think.
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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2019, 01:03:26 PM »
I got my actual gauges and final design mounting brackets last Friday.  I've been swamped with other things since then, and am still waiting for a special connector that I ordered elsewhere (should be here tomorrow).  But have started on the wiring.  Hope to have it all installed by tomorrow evening. [EDIT:  Hit a minor snag, but it will delay completion for a few days longer]

Anyway, here are the actual parts that will be going into my car



I did select their "Aviator" series of gauges.  Simple but succinct fonts, red back lighting, and full-sweep ranges for optimum resolution of the readings.

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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2019, 01:41:51 PM »
Looking good.




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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2019, 10:26:58 PM »
If you could show some photos of the wiring, that would be appreciated.  The gauges look good!

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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2019, 10:49:06 PM »
Simplicity is beautiful, especially when it's instrumentation you need to be able to read at a glance.

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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2019, 01:31:58 PM »
If you could show some photos of the wiring, that would be appreciated.  The gauges look good!

Two parts of the wiring, for me, the gauge side and the car side.  I used a 12-pin and a 6-pin Deutsch connectors, the 12 for the main panel and the 6 for the oil pressure & water temp duo.  You need a special crimper for these terminals, but it works very well.  I first started on the gauge side of the wiring.  I used Excel to map out how I wanted to route the wires.  Since the two-gauge wires will be right over the A/C controls, which have moving levers, I added the sheathing to protect the wires.  Here is how the finished product came out:



Since my car is a T/A clone, it did not have the Rally gauges to begin with.  As such, I had previously done some custom wiring to get those gauges to work.  The wires I previously added were ran direct to the Deutsch connector.  For the wires that were in the original gauge harness, I used Posi-Tap terminals to keep from cutting the wires (and taped up the connector to prevent shorts)  More info on the Posi-Taps is here:  https://www.posi-products.com/posiplug.html   Note that I used their version that has a red body with a black end, and they worked fine for this application.  Here you can see a few of the Posi-Taps installed, and the factory connector that I taped over.



Since these gauges utilize LED lights, you need a full-voltage source for the instrument lights - the factory dimmable source will not work properly.  I used another Posi-Tap to connect to the brown wire off of the headlight switch.  There is a special dimmer available, so that you CAN dim the LEDs, if you feel they are too bright.  Picture of the brown wire, after being tapped.



I suggest spending some time planning the wiring.  Every gauge will need switched power, ground, and lights;  the finished product will look neater if you plan out how to daisy-chain these sources between the gauges in each panel, and how to "Y" them from the source.  Here you can see how I shared the power, ground and light wires between these two gauges:




The wiring CAN be connected direct to the gauges, but I prefer having connectors to simplify removal/re-installation for any future work.
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« Reply #30 on: July 18, 2019, 06:59:34 PM »
Picture with the red backlighting turned on:




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« Reply #31 on: July 18, 2019, 09:07:44 PM »
Kinda has a military equipment vibe to it, I like it.

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« Reply #32 on: July 19, 2019, 06:39:38 AM »
Kinda has a military equipment vibe to it, I like it.

Thank you!  It adds to the "cockpit" for me.

Here is how the "Lights  Wiper  Wash" panel looks, with their LED backlight:



And all the gauges in the dark:

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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2019, 02:21:53 AM »
Nice job on your wiring, very clean!  Having the connectors is a good idea. I think that would make the installation much easier. I'm not a fan of the RPM X100 and MILES PER HOUR text, if they were 1/2 that size maybe it would look better?

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« Reply #34 on: July 20, 2019, 03:28:10 AM »
Nice job, I really like the night display.




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« Reply #35 on: July 20, 2019, 08:29:29 AM »
I had the exact thought as Steve. The rpm thing is ok, but a bit too large, and I don't really care for Miles Per Hour spelled out, Maybe MPH a little smaller. Other than that I think these are the cats meow! I am one of those odd balls that think there is very little that can be done to make a second gen T/A any better. I believe Pontiac nailed this car right on. Therefore to me they don't look any better than stock. However I really like this gauge cluster. The red dials would look good on my TATA.
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« Reply #36 on: July 20, 2019, 11:57:45 AM »
Thanks guys :-)

Keep in mind that NVU (New Vintage USA) offers several different styles of gauges, then they offer customization of the dial faces on top of that.  I do agree, I think the font size should be a bit smaller on the tach & speedo.

This IS the very first set of 70-81 T/A gauges that they have shipped.  And I still had a few tweaks, such as having them raise the ear for the "Wiper..." LED just a little bit.  I did a bunch of test fitting, customizing, and provided pictures and measurements, to get this dialed in.  NVU has made it worth my time, so I'm quite happy with them :-)

RoadKing, I agree, the Pontiac engineers & designers did a top notch job on these cars.  My MAIN reason for participating in this, is that the orignal gauges just were no longer accurate.  My tach read high, water temp had no basis in reality (even after buying a "special" sending unit), oil pressure was erratic,...   Pete Serio (the guy who seems to be the most respected expert on the factory gauges) has written about how the factory gauges lose accuracy over the years.  My desire was to be able to have gauges I could trust!!

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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2019, 02:45:00 PM »
The entire gauge cluster in my Formula is wonky. The temp gauge reads 35 degree high, I assume the oil pressure is high since the gauge is pegged unless the oil gets good and hot and then it still reads 60 PSI. My tach doesn't work and my speedo quit working.  I'd like a gauge face that looks as close as possible to the factory gauges but with modern accuracy, I'd also like a GPS speedometer so I can just ditch the old cable driven speedo and also not have to deal with mounting a speed sensor for an electronic speedo.


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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2019, 06:45:52 PM »
Steve, mounting the speed sensor wasn't bad.  I unscrewed the collar on the cable, pulled it out, then the sensor just spun in place of the cable.  I made a 3-wire harness, zip-tied to the old cable for support, and routed into the cabin through the cable's grommet.

Here is the link to their 70-81 Firebird page, with examples of their gauge options installed in the mounting brackets.  http://newvintageusallc.mybigcommerce.com/70-81-firebird/

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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2019, 11:23:50 PM »
Those look quite nice, though putting the fuel gauge in the center has me baffled unless you have a 5 gallon tank...

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