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roadking77

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2 TONE PAINT
« on: March 15, 2019, 04:11:36 PM »
Im hoping some day (soon) to be able to paint my TATA. Im not sure how to paint the two tone. My understanding is to put the clear coat on right after the basecoat. SO, do I base and clear coat the silver which is the majority of the car, let that sit and dry for however long, then mask off, and base and clear the darker grey. THEN, cut and buff the entire car.
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2019, 06:51:16 PM »
I painted my 1988 Silverado step side (Black Metalic & Red Maple Metalic ) to mimic a factory belt line or mid stripe. Red Maple side. Paint guy said 3 quarts Black for truck and I think 2 Red Maple for sides and hood ( Ram air striped to match look of my H.Olds Tribute) one gallon of clear . Painted Red first , then the Black and last the clear. ( Truck was painted in 2001 - driven lightly and Garaged) Still  looks like the day I painted it. ( Sorry no picture as PC issues and I'm not too tech savvy)! (I think I had it clear within the window or shorty there after. No sanding on color coats. ( hope that helps)!  My T/A has clear coming off because the PO waited to long to clear it. Prep and time management is the key to a good paint job. ( plans did call for cut and another gallon of clear but that didn't happen. Paint looks like a factory job with some orange peel.

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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2019, 07:52:24 PM »
I don't think they used clear coat on these back then but that's a different topic. There are multiple ways you can achieve this. I think if I were doing this (which I will someday when I get back to my Formula) and wanted a base clear paint job I would probably spray the whole car in the light color, lay a few coats of clear let dry then scuff and spray the dark color and clear it blending into the lower part. Then cut and buff the whole thing.  I would probably lay the clear thicker where the dark color won't be and thinner where it will be so it doesn't appear to float.

That's just my opinion on how I would approach it.
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2019, 08:03:29 AM »
With basecoat, there's a "tape time". After you spray the first basecoat color, you'd wait about 45 minutes, and you can re-tape and mask and spray your second color. The clear doesn't have to be sprayed immediately after the base, so you wait until you've sprayed all your basecoat. You have a time window, usually 24 hours for spraying the clear. I wouldn't wait that long though. You'll have time to spray the first color, re-mask and spray the 2nd color, and then spray the whole thing with clear, starting in the morning and finishing by that evening. These are the time specs for PPG's DBC. The times for the brand of paint you use may be different, so you should just follow the instructions for the paint materials that you're using. The auto paint store should be able to give you product info sheets for the paint, or they're usually available online at the manufacturer's website for you to print out. And the paint store guy should also be able to tell you how to use it, but you'll want to have the instruction sheets in hand as well.
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2019, 08:30:19 AM »
My TATA is going to the painter next weekend.  I am fortunate to have access to another one up the road about 5kms so I can take measurements for the two toning.  I took a lot of pictures before I stripped the car down too the metal and that will help a little.  I will be biking in Florida when he is painting it but if I get a chance maybe I will post some pictures/measurements to make it easier for the next person   Cheers  Bill
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #5 on: March 16, 2019, 02:32:57 PM »
Thanks for the advice. That's exactly the info I was looking for. My concern was taping on the fresh paint. I will check with the paint store (theres a mom n pop type place that has some good, knowledgable guys) for recommendations of what kind of tape to use.
Thanks Bill, I will need measurements and any info will help. I do know where the paint lines go so that should be a help. PM sent.
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #6 on: March 16, 2019, 03:46:11 PM »
Use 3m fine line blue 1/4 to lay the border, it curves and sticks so you dont get bleed under, then mask with a good  3m like green..

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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #7 on: March 16, 2019, 04:51:26 PM »
The way we would do it is; spray the dark color on the top and far enough around the top of the  doors and across the hood to tape off the pattern. It being a metallic I would use a 1.3 tip in the base gun. Spray two coats then the third(the orientation coat) The third makes sure the metalics flow out and are not spotty. Wait about 10 to 15 minutes between coats. Be sure to put a base hardner in that color. Wait about 40 minutes and tape off the pattern for the silver. Use fine line tape (very thin lite blue)to lay this down. As you back tape to the fine line to cover the grey press your regular tape against your shirt.This takes some of the sticky out and decreases the odds of pulling the grey up. Spray your 3 coats  10 to 15 apart. Pull your tape and paper and clear the whole car. Do not let it set.Spray the clear as soon as you finish pulling paper. I would use a 1.3 needle for my clear gun too. Untape any thing left the next day. Cut and buff no sooner than 90 days.
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2019, 08:20:31 AM »
Thanks Lewis, I will take your advice. I had thought to myself to paint the dark colour first, as it would be easier to mask that area off (being only the roof) than to mask the entire car off to paint the second colour. My other dilemma is what paint to use.
 I am a bit of a perfectionist and would like the final product to be a true representation of what left the factory. I got touch up from "automotive touch up paint"  and it matched the original paint perfectly. They sell by the gallon but it is supposed to be 'ready mixed' to spray out of the can. This is counter intuitive to my limited knowledge of auto paint. I would like to know this is a quality product worthy of painting the entire car as opposed to just doing touch up. I also had thought of using SPI clears.
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2019, 07:09:14 PM »
As a factory quality/look the brand Diamont line from R/M brand is a top choice.Diamont and Xalta are widely used is top repaints. I do not like the idea of premixed paint.
The brand or type is unknown first off, how it will hold up, or what ratio mixed to and how it will spray.A good quality base coat is paramount to the appearance and endurance of the job.Also again the dark color needs a hardner to make it stable enough to mask to for the second color. You should only need a quart of the dark paint. SPI clears are very popular. I would use the Euro 2020.However,the Diamont has a clear DC5335 which is like a Glamour clear and that stays in the same product family which is always a good idea. If you are using the same gun use a 1.3 tip and clean the BJESUS OUT OF IT before spraying the clear. We use Omni primer which is like a sealer to. It sprays so smooth you almost don't need to sand it. Good Luck,
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2019, 06:41:58 AM »
Lewis, appreciate your input. You sound like you know what youre talking about and have painted a few cars! The main thing I am concerned about is the 'correct colour'. I know the "auto touch up co.'s " is an exact match as I have used their spray bombs as a test on original paint. My local paint store (mom n pop business) sells Sherwin Williams. Do you have any experience with s/w? My local store says they may be able to match what I have. Do you know if the diamond and xalta have that capability?
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #11 on: March 20, 2019, 06:54:21 PM »
My first choice; PPG (Ditzler) what I just sprayed on my79 S.E.--Original formulator. If your car has original lacquer it is most likely PPG. The other formulator DuPont (Xalata).Either should give you proper color. Make sure to mix to original paint code/formula found on the car.That info.can be found if your codes are missing.  Lots of experience with S/W. NOT ON MY CAR!! The touch up guys,I just do not know of them, not used them, do not have any confidence in the product as a all over.
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #12 on: March 20, 2019, 07:03:32 PM »
I have seen major graphics jobs go on for weeks until clear goes on.

With the heavy solvents never had issues at all and last lifetime.
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2019, 03:49:11 AM »
Roadking,I think this is a very in-depth subject with a lot of work and money on the line. If you want to have a conversation text me and we can setup a time to talk. 404-226-6003
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Re: 2 TONE PAINT
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2019, 06:57:58 AM »
Lewis, thanks for the offer. I will def shoot you a text.
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« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2019, 06:57:58 AM »