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nueb

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red interior
« on: January 12, 2019, 09:54:36 AM »
I am having trouble with the color of my interior car is a 1979 trans am that hasn't seen the road since 1992. It looks like every panel is a different color red. I have seen flame red carpet for this year car I have seen carmine red door panels and just plain red door panels. I figure you have to dye to match everything together but what color is it really called is the real question.

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Re: red interior
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2019, 10:26:09 AM »
Carmine
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Re: red interior
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2019, 12:33:04 PM »
Thanks for the reply so why can't I find a carmine carpet? all the carpets I find for that year are called something else flame red I believe or just plain red. I have never rebuilt a trans am and Iam acquiring parts for the rebuild but every panel I've bought is more of a bright red I know I can dye those parts but the carpet and the seats are some large ticket price items and I want to get it right. and even the old panels in the car seem to be darker and lighter shades of red. this car has been sitting in a garage in Illinois since 1992 so I understand there is some fading, did these cars come in mix matched red color interiors?
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Re: red interior
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2019, 07:02:29 PM »
Ames lists carmine carpet and seat covers in their catalog.
Much of the plastic panels could have changed with age. If they are still good, just dye them. I don't know if you can buy new ones in colors any longer.
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Re: red interior
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2019, 10:29:34 PM »
ACC has most of the carpet market and they don't use GM color names.  I bought one, but right at the moment I don't know what color I actually bought.
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Re: red interior
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Re: red interior
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2019, 01:16:43 AM »
thank you yes I have purchased red sail panels and rear lower panels but they are the bright red. I have seen on some posts a dye called OER where is this product sold? f body warehouse sells a dye but it's very expensive. and thanks again I think getting everything together for this build is harder than the actual build will be.

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Re: red interior
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2019, 03:49:00 AM »
I have a 1979 T/A with the Carmine Red Hobnail Cloth and a 1980 T/A with the Carmine Red Hobnail Cloth interior. The '79 F/A is in a similar boat to yours, it was off the road (and ditched to the side of the road) in 1997 and sat there for a while. The 1980 T/A was kept in garages for the most part, and even though they have the exact same interior, the '80 T/A's interior is much brighter in colour, and that's likely because it was kept out of the sun for the most part. The '79 has gone to a darker maroon colour likely due to it fading a fair bit. The seats in the '79 are a clearly brighter colour than the rear panels, so maybe it's just due to the colour fading that yours may all be a different colour. I think Fbodywarehouse uses that SEM brand paint, I found a supplier down here and ordered two cans of the Camel Tan cloth dye to touch up a few spots here and there on my Y84, and that paint was borderline one to one colour match. They just pulled the paint code of their system and knew the exact colour. It was $30 for two cans here, I imagine it's gotta be cheaper elsewhere in the states. I'd recommend that to correct the colour across your panels. OER just stands for Original Equipment Reproduction. I'm sure that it's just a brand which re-produces almost all parts for firebirds and other cars.
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Re: red interior
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2019, 10:54:31 AM »
Some vendors use the name Dark Red in place of Carmine Red.  I usually always ask for samples to compare the colors prior to buying the product.

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Re: red interior
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2019, 07:24:16 PM »
I find the sem brand vinyl dyes and plastic paints work well, and my local auto body supplier will mix them in any color required-

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Re: red interior
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2019, 07:58:55 PM »
ok one more for you guys then I'll leave you alone for awhile headliners that are listed as maroon would these be considered the carmine. it's listed under a 79 but not they don't say carmine. shades of colors are hard for me to tell apart as you guys probably guessed. it's not until I get something side by side can I tell the differences.
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Re: red interior
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2019, 08:58:59 AM »
Your best bet would be to find the colour you are happy with out of all your pieces and get something that matches. Then paint/dye everything together. SEM is the brand that makes the product. I am looking at their colour chart right now and do not see any "carmine red". They have 'firethorn' which is dark, 'portola' which is a bit lighter and 'flame' which is bright red. There is also 'napa red' that is a bit darker than firethorn. The 'dying process' is simply spray painting. But proper prep work is a must. F body wharehouse is a good supplier. I can get the SEM products from my local auto parts stores as well.  Colours may have to be special ordered though.
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Re: red interior
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2019, 09:54:07 AM »
I have a quart of SEM Carmine red.  The SEM color code is 1656 (GM code 74).  I had a local automotive paint supplier mix it for me.  There are usually SEM paint suppliers in most areas.  I don't know if SEM offers this color is the prepackaged spray cans.  I can tell you that the paint supplier that mixed it could not cross the GM code to the SEM code.  Fortunately I already had an old can of SEM paint so I was able to give him the SEM code.

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Re: red interior
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2019, 11:25:07 AM »
To clarify, my colour chart is indeed for aerosols. It is current though, I just got it last week.
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Re: red interior
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2019, 03:33:42 PM »
I would say Carmine is not really maroon, but the headliner might be close.  It is dark.
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Re: red interior
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2019, 07:58:23 PM »
Request a sample of the headliner material from your supplier. Most will happily comply. Then you can see the color against your other parts.
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Re: red interior
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Re: red interior
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2019, 04:32:26 PM »
SEM doesn't make Carmine red in rattle cans anymore. OER does and it's a decent match. Fbody Warehouse has a solution using 2 different SEM reds to duplicate Carmine, I think portabelo and firethorn. From my research, I found out that Carmine has purple in it. That's why it gets darker when it fades out. I've used both SEM and OER dyes and in my opinion they are equal in quality.

I've seen multiple red interiors over the years. In some cases, they have mismatched colors, firethorn and carmine. Sometimes the culprit is uneven fading of the panels.

Re: red interior
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2019, 04:32:26 PM »
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