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Gio_84

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Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« on: January 11, 2019, 02:55:11 AM »
Hi guys

I need some help to translate the title of my T/A.

I have to do this for the italian vehicle registration.

my bird comes from Tennessee, I have bought it from a local enthusiast.

first question: is what's the meaning of "CO" between "SALES OR USE TAX" AND "ODOMETER"?

second: why the field under ODOMETR is empty? Is not mandatory to put the mileage?

third: can someone explain me in a few words what is a lien satisfaction?

thanks for the moment




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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2019, 06:42:34 AM »

I cant help with the CO.

The odometer can be left empty here if the vehicle is older than a certain age. When our cars were built the odometer only had 5 digits, so after this much time it would be impossible to tell if (for example) 36,450 miles were correct, or if the vehicle had "rolled over" and actually had 136,450 miles. Both would display the same "36450" on the dash.

Lien is a legal term for loan. If the car is used as collateral for a loan the title will be issued in the buyers name, but will be sent to the lender to hold until the debt is paid. This field will not be necessary if you bought the car without establishing a loan (that uses this car as the collateral).

Hope that helps.
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2019, 07:04:13 AM »
Lein Satisfaction the obligations or terms of the lien (loan) are filled under the lien at the acceptance of the lienor (the lender).
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2019, 08:21:08 AM »
Only thing I can think of for CO is company, or if after tax it could be COllected...




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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2019, 08:30:29 AM »
Would CO not be for county?  I live in Tennessee, so I will look at a title, rest assured.  I am at work right now.

Lein satisfaction should be blank and ignored if there was no bank loan on the car.  That is where the bank signs if the loan is fully paid.  It's not for your loan, it's for the other guy's loan.  The guy whose name is on the title that you hold in your hand now.

Odometer in Tennessee would be ignored on older cars, so it's normal for a title to be issued without the state of Tennessee acknowledging the odometer reading.  However, you have a place to write that in to establish the odometer reading now in Italy.
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2019, 05:06:36 PM »
thanks for your many replies.



this is the part where is located CO

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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2019, 06:07:01 PM »
Would CO not be for county?  I live in Tennessee, so I will look at a title, rest assured.  I am at work right now.

Lein satisfaction should be blank and ignored if there was no bank loan on the car.  That is where the bank signs if the loan is fully paid.  It's not for your loan, it's for the other guy's loan.  The guy whose name is on the title that you hold in your hand now.

Odometer in Tennessee would be ignored on older cars, so it's normal for a title to be issued without the state of Tennessee acknowledging the odometer reading.  However, you have a place to write that in to establish the odometer reading now in Italy.

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"However, you have a place to write that in to establish the odometer reading now in Italy." I don't have completely understand this phrase, what do you mean?

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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2019, 06:18:43 PM »
I’m not from Tennessee but “CO” may stand for county. And the 10 under it may correspond with the county number.
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2019, 07:07:39 PM »
I’m not from Tennessee but “CO” may stand for county. And the 10 under it may correspond with the county number.

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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2019, 07:52:10 PM »
I live in Tennessee, and due to parting out Trans Ams I have many, many Trans Am titles.  CO is a number, and it must be some sort of location code, but it's not obviously consistent with just a county is a number.  I looked at several and it's not clear how that code works.

Also, I looked at your title and it looks okay to me.  If it was transferred to and from the same person, that person would have to be a dealer for that to be valid here, but Italy is not going to care about that.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2019, 07:54:09 PM »
Quick Google search came up with this application, in the instructions it has the county codes 10-Carter.

https://www.tn.gov/content/dam/tn/revenue/documents/forms/motorcarrier/f1315201Fill-in.pdf
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2019, 07:55:18 PM »

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"However, you have a place to write that in to establish the odometer reading now in Italy." I don't have completely understand this phrase, what do you mean?

Look at it the odometer and write in whatever is showing on the odometer.  Somebody already wrote "EXEMPT" in one of the slots, but if they want that information, they (in Italy) will ask you for it.
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2019, 07:57:31 PM »
I can almost see Carter County from my house. 

(edit) 10 is not really Carter County.  I looked at the list also, and it's not really applicable to this code, whatever it may be.  I have a bunch of 37's from Sullivan County, and a couple of 99's and a couple of 90's from close by here.  According to that list that's all different.
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2019, 04:30:46 AM »
what do you think means "not runnig" wrote here?


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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2019, 07:24:30 AM »
If CO is a number, could it be a county number?  For example.  In Ohio, summit county is 87.  We get a sticker on our plate that has that too.  Cuyahoga county is 17... An on they go for every county.

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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2019, 08:02:05 AM »
what do you think means "not runnig" wrote here?


I would have to believe that at the time the title was filled out and ownership was transferred the car was "not running" meaning the engine didn't/wouldn't start, so the car was not in an operable or drivable condition.
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2019, 08:15:14 AM »
instead no, the car was in good condition.. I don't understand why he wrote it in that place

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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2019, 08:25:03 AM »
Where was this dealer?  In Tennessee, there's no status of not running, but that is a significant distinction in some states.  Some states have oppressive fees for car ownership.
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2019, 08:33:26 AM »
In the US there are ways to get around paying additional taxes. I cannot say for Tenn, but I know in MD when a vehicle is transferred to a new owner the rate of taxes one pays is dependent on the value of the vehicle. IF the car is an antique/old the value is unknown. To state the car is 'not running' or in a derelict condition will lessen the amount of tax to be paid. This MAY be the reason for the note. The odometer statement is also hard to prove on an antique car that may have had many motor changes over the years. In my state (Maryland) there is a line to write the mileage, then there is a block to check beside if that number is true or not. IF you are not sure then the not true block is checked.
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2019, 09:22:44 AM »
Where was this dealer?  In Tennessee, there's no status of not running, but that is a significant distinction in some states.  Some states have oppressive fees for car ownership.

yes the dealer is from Tennessee

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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #20 on: January 14, 2019, 01:25:38 PM »
If CO is a number, could it be a county number?  For example.  In Ohio, summit county is 87.  We get a sticker on our plate that has that too.  Cuyahoga county is 17... An on they go for every county.

87s actually Wood  :D
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #21 on: January 14, 2019, 01:47:35 PM »
is there a way to find the previous titles, to know the history of the car?

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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #22 on: January 14, 2019, 05:38:15 PM »
If CO is a number, could it be a county number?  For example.  In Ohio, summit county is 87.  We get a sticker on our plate that has that too.  Cuyahoga county is 17... An on they go for every county.

87s actually Wood  :D

77 is summit lol  :-D. Had to look at my plate.

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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
« Reply #23 on: January 15, 2019, 09:00:33 PM »
If CO is a number, could it be a county number?  For example.  In Ohio, summit county is 87.  We get a sticker on our plate that has that too.  Cuyahoga county is 17... An on they go for every county.

Close enough lol

87s actually Wood  :D

77 is summit lol  :-D. Had to look at my plate.
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Re: Title translation (for Italian road registration)
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