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Nexus

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Re: The Project
« Reply #40 on: August 03, 2019, 05:52:10 AM »
LOOK WHAT I FOUND, under all that crap

20190802_133953 by Charles Marson, on Flickr


Is that spacer normal?

20190802_134014 by Charles Marson, on Flickr


Cleaned off the top of the block using the hand vacuum, got rid of the broken windshield, hung the fenders on the walls and swept around the front of the car. Trying to get things set up for inventory time. I want to take everything out, write down a list of things I have, new and used, and maybe get an idea on what I still need to buy vs what I want to buy. We are sticking with the plan to get this thing put back together and driving as soon as we can (ASAP means before the next coming of Christ).

I will be pulling the block apart to refresh gaskets and check on bearings and cylinders for wear and scoring, and make sure they are good to go.

The rear end I'm using is already out and was painted many years ago, but I need to pull the cover off of it and check thing out as well as get the broken lock pin out. When I went to do it, the threaded part came out the pin stayed behind. The gear ratio in it is what I wanted, 3.23??...can't remember...what ever T/A's were that were in the 3's

I also plan to put the 77/78 nose on it so I need to figure out what all I'm missing for that swap

that's all for now

thanks for looking
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Re: The Project
« Reply #41 on: August 05, 2019, 03:10:14 PM »
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I have a plan for her but i recently decided that life has too many projects on the go for me so instead of a complete, show car quality, restoration, i will recondition it, make it sound, safe and reliable but i will put it together to drive.

I missed this thought when it was posted, but I totally agree.  This year with the new tranny has brought out for me that these are really fun cars to drive and enjoy.  It drives out like a modern car but still has the muscle car feel that says classic performance.  I could care less if the paint or anything else isn't perfect!

So Charlie, get that plan and get her running!  We will supply the encouragement.
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Hedman elite; Pypes 2.5; Borla XS; MSD 6A; Edelbrock intake; open scoop; modified Q-jet; Powermaster 150; 4 core radiator/Mark VIII fan; RobbMc mini starter; subframe connectors; solid body mounts; fiberglass rear springs; poly sway bar and link bushings; 81 master; D52’s; Blazer disks; 225/60 & 235/60 17's TrueContact's; relays for PW, PDL, lights; keyless entry

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Re: The Project
« Reply #42 on: August 05, 2019, 03:48:41 PM »
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I have a plan for her but i recently decided that life has too many projects on the go for me so instead of a complete, show car quality, restoration, i will recondition it, make it sound, safe and reliable but i will put it together to drive.


So Charlie, get that plan and get her running!  We will supply the encouragement.

Thank you!!

It will be appreciated and needed in groves!!
Charlie

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Re: The Project
« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2019, 07:07:09 PM »
No pictures, but as I mentioned in the "Today I" page, I looked inside two cylinders and noticed there was lots of fuzzy stuff around the inside. So, when the time comes, it will need to be addressed. In the mean time, I am hopeful that I can get my spare engine running as is and see where that takes me!!
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« Reply #44 on: October 09, 2019, 09:21:11 PM »
Lets see...it's a nice sunny day, I have a bit of time, I should go get the distributer out of the 79 and make a priming shaft for the 80 301, before I try to start it. Easy 20 to 30 minute project.

ok, it's 1421 hrs...no problem!!
https://flic.kr/p/2hsMRMd

1500 hrs...got it budge a little
https://flic.kr/p/2hsMRM8

1512 hrs...a little more
https://flic.kr/p/2hsNRHE

1522 hrs...1 hr later...look what finally came out
https://flic.kr/p/2hsNRHE

1545 hrs...I have a priming shaft
https://flic.kr/p/2hsNRMh

so much for a quick job!!
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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #45 on: October 10, 2019, 06:27:10 AM »
Wow! I surely hope, my project does not take 18 years!
At least it looks like you are making progress now.

good luck, and keep us updated
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« Reply #46 on: October 10, 2019, 03:51:49 PM »
Hahaha...I hope for your sake it doesn't take that long either...I need to update some data...it is officially 19 years and counting!!

lol
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« Reply #47 on: October 10, 2019, 06:23:46 PM »
They have a tendency to do that. Mine has been going since 1998... That is why I tell folks to try to do as much work as you can while still keeping it on the road.
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« Reply #48 on: October 10, 2019, 09:05:16 PM »
They have a tendency to do that. Mine has been going since 1998... That is why I tell folks to try to do as much work as you can while still keeping it on the road.

98...you have me beat...but you're working on multiple cars...I have one!!
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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #49 on: October 17, 2019, 08:14:20 PM »
I started today off with getting this priming shaft finished.

20191017_110736 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191017_110731 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191017_110849 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191017_112356 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191017_112031 by Charles Marson, on Flickr


Annnd Voila..it's ready to use
20191017_115007 by Charles Marson, on Flickr



Shortly after the last photo, I went out to the T/A and got the engine primed up and ready for the next phase!!
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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #49 on: October 17, 2019, 08:14:20 PM »

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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #50 on: October 17, 2019, 08:25:15 PM »
was messing with the distributer wires and had to fix two of them as they pulled off the wires. So...since I am working towards just getting this engine to run, I just fixed these temporarily. If I can get it to run then I will give it a complete tune up with some new parts to use.

20191017_143636 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191017_143811 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

So the final missing picture is just of the silicone wrap put back on and wrapping it up in electrical tape for now
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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #51 on: October 17, 2019, 08:33:46 PM »
Try clicking on the image for the link for the video. It's a Flikr experiment




20191017_151420 by Charles Marson, on Flickr


20191017_153254 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191017_162710 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191017_162728 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #52 on: October 18, 2019, 07:01:18 AM »
Good Deal, wish my motor was running. That's half the battle.
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85 T/A - Sold
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« Reply #53 on: October 18, 2019, 10:17:08 PM »
Good Deal, wish my motor was running. That's half the battle.

It certainly expediates a large portion of the time getting it back together!!
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« Reply #54 on: November 12, 2019, 06:50:56 PM »
So last week I went out to start taking the subframe out of the 80 Trans Am. That didn't go as planned. I got the tires aired up and I crawled on the snowy ground to locate the back of the frame, and noticed this mess!!

2019-11-08_07-28-55 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

I was pretty bummed out and almost quit for the day but I asked myself just how badly do I want to drive this car in the next two years, so I made the decision to use the subframe out of "The Project" and do what is necessary to make it straight and square!! (if it is even twisted). Previous comments has led me to question this idea of it being twisted.

that led me to going into the sea can and getting things ready to have it removed. In no time the 4 bolts were removed and it is ready to moved to the garage

 2019-11-08_07-29-32 by Charles Marson, on Flickr



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Re: "The Project"
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« Reply #55 on: November 12, 2019, 06:51:34 PM »
This is what I did today

parts used...all scavenged from the property

20191112_133906 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

made a template

20191112_133920 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

threaded the 3/4" bar stock...NOTE: thinner material could be used with a welded nut...we had this in the scrap steel pile

20191112_145927 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

test fit

20191112_145633 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191112_145636 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

Final product

20191112_151343 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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« Reply #56 on: November 16, 2019, 06:39:02 PM »
This happened a couple days ago

20191114_112627 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191114_113657 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191114_120623 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191114_120637 by Charles Marson, on Flickr



It has been pushed into the corner near my tool box where I started to scrape and clean some of the grime and dirt off of it while I thought about a game plan. I guess I should pull the 3 components apart, put the engine on the stand, put the trans aside for now, and get the frame cleaned up and rebuilt! Not sure if I should use the wire wheel, or bring it in to get sandblasted and painted right off the hop.
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« Reply #57 on: November 16, 2019, 07:06:47 PM »
Look! Another Farmall!

Oh, sorry, sometimes I get distracted...

Cool to see you are getting in position to make progress! Depends how cheap you can get it blasted but you want to wire wheel it if you need funds to buy components.  It also depends what level you want to take this.

Nice update!
79 Trans am 301 (work in progress) LS swap n progress
79 Formula 301 (Work in progress)
67 RS Camaro (Work in progress)
See the recurring theme???

Names, Luke. If I hear anyone telling me they're my father....

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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #58 on: November 16, 2019, 07:13:09 PM »
thanks

I'm trying hard to stay with the idea of getting it together in a short period of time, with a minimal amount of money spent but I have a hard time not getting things cleaned and painted while its apart. It will be a constant battle for me

The Farmal is one of 4 in the mix. That one is getting rebuilt (not restored) so that we can work it next summer
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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2019, 07:54:27 PM »
I have a few too. Looks like an A.
79 Trans am 301 (work in progress) LS swap n progress
79 Formula 301 (Work in progress)
67 RS Camaro (Work in progress)
See the recurring theme???

Names, Luke. If I hear anyone telling me they're my father....

Re: "The Project"
« Reply #59 on: November 16, 2019, 07:54:27 PM »

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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #60 on: November 17, 2019, 05:59:12 AM »
Nice update. What is the tractor in the second picture with the allied front end loader?

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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #61 on: November 17, 2019, 10:35:23 AM »
Any progress is good. If you have the frame stripped, and pretty easy access to getting it blasted I would do that. I have blasted my own and its a messy job, I would def. farm it out next go round. Def. do what you can to get things cleaned and painted a bit while its apart.
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79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
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85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
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« Reply #62 on: November 18, 2019, 06:37:08 PM »
Nice update. What is the tractor in the second picture with the allied front end loader?

That would be a 1982 Zetor with a 65hp diesel freshly rebuilt last year...weighs roughly 10,000 lbs as there is calcium in the rear tires.

as for the frame...I was supposed to call the blasting place today and completely forgot...I should make that tomorrow's job after I wake up from my night shift.
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« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2019, 06:22:18 PM »
I have a few too. Looks like an A.

The Cub in the picture is a 1952 model F apparently

we also have a 49, 55, and a 56...the 49 will get restored, the 55 will get a new clutch and be worked, and the 56, at this time, will be for parts
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« Reply #64 on: November 23, 2019, 06:26:44 PM »
As for work on "The Project", last Thursday I was able to start taking off all the add on stuff and get it closer to being pulled

20191121_155949 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191121_155910 by Charles Marson, on Flickr



What is the purpose of the small diameter tube the joins the heads running across the front?
Looks like small exhaust ports!!
Can you get a replacement tube or is it even necessary to have on there?
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« Reply #65 on: November 29, 2019, 09:52:55 AM »
This was accomplished the other day

20191126_134303 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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« Reply #66 on: November 29, 2019, 09:59:21 AM »
then followed this realization

20191126_153609 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191126_153616 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191126_154255 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191126_155152 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

20191126_155139 by Charles Marson, on Flickr



So... It is confirmed that I am going to use the 301 out of the 80, crossing my fingers that it needs little to make work. I know it runs as I did have it running but hopefully that experiment didn't cause more damage than the good of hearing it run. It sounded good so that's a good sign........I hope
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« Reply #67 on: December 23, 2019, 09:39:58 PM »
Been spending little time this girl as I was getting my snow machine ready to use for Christmas but my dad wanted to jump in on the fun for a little while with needle scaler. I'll be back on this after the holidays, getting it pulled apart further and hopefully covered in some paint at some point this winter. New springs, and bushings for it and I plan to cut 1 coil out to drop the front slightly. I don't want it too low as our roads are super rough and covered in potholes. that's just asking for trouble in these parts.

20191219_110943 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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« Reply #68 on: December 24, 2019, 08:49:25 AM »
Looks like you pop ought to be getting the sled and the reindeer ready instead of working on your car......, just saying. LOL
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79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
'01-HD RoadKing

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« Reply #69 on: December 24, 2019, 11:07:49 AM »
Now that's funny right there!

Merry Christmas!
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79 Formula 301 (Work in progress)
67 RS Camaro (Work in progress)
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Re: "The Project"
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« Reply #70 on: December 24, 2019, 06:27:46 PM »
hahaha...yeah...small children always yell "SANTAAAA" when they see him

Merry Christmas as well!!
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« Reply #71 on: December 25, 2019, 06:23:43 AM »
Nah, he's 50 lbs short lol. Merry Christmas.




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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #72 on: December 26, 2019, 01:00:06 PM »
I have a welding shop near me that also does blasting.  They did my rear axle assembly for $50.  It was a lot faster and a
lot better than I would have done with a wire wheel.

Congratulations on your progress!
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« Reply #73 on: December 28, 2019, 03:19:21 AM »
I have been contemplating calling the blasting place but  fear the cost they may charge me for it...I really just need to stop procrastinating and call them
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« Reply #74 on: February 01, 2020, 04:25:39 AM »
No pictures this time but I was able to get a couple of hours in and managed to get all the steering parts off the frame so the next step is to remove the spindles and springs. After that I guess the process of the grinder and wire wheel begins and get that frame fixed and painted.
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« Reply #75 on: March 04, 2020, 03:43:45 PM »
Suspension is all removed

20200225_150056 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

Next thing I want to do is compare the Camaro frame with this one. This one has several issues to work out of it like damaged body bushing mounts, the frame tube at the front driver side has been damaged, the rear passenger side is damaged. So it might be easier to make the Camaro frame suit my application. My dad already brought it in the shop for me so my plan is to go there on one of my next days off to compare them.

slow progress but its still porgress
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« Reply #76 on: March 16, 2020, 06:09:20 AM »
BEFORE:

2020-03-15_08-58-34 by Charles Marson, on Flickr


AFTER:

20200315_110600 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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« Reply #77 on: March 16, 2020, 07:25:49 AM »
Looks good Charles, btw, I still have a box sitting in my office ready to ship, LOL.
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79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
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« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2020, 10:04:39 AM »
Excellent news
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« Reply #79 on: March 22, 2020, 07:29:33 AM »
So, awhile back, I had asked the question, "should I use the original Firebird frame, use the T/A frame, or use the Camaro donor frame"

As you see in my last post there is a clean black painted frame. I decided to go with the Camaro donor as I could not find a single difference between my Firebird frame and the Camaro donor. I stared and studied them for about 1.5 hrs. I likely missed something but I am still going down this road.

Here's why:

This is the Trans Am donor frame pic. and as you can see it is obviously rotten and not worth saving

2019-11-08_07-28-55 by Charles Marson, on Flickr



Then use the Firebird frame Charlie!!!




well, here are a few comparisons from the Camaro and Firebird frames:


First of all here is the front horn, driver side of the firebird vs Camaro

20200315_103415 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
20200315_103423 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

Here is the passenger side just in behind the control arm of both

20200315_103355 by Charles Marson, on Flickr         see the dent?
20200315_103400 by Charles Marson, on Flickr           no dent


No need for a comparison here

20200315_104549 by Charles Marson, on Flickr


Really hard to see in the picture but the angles across the top of the frame in relation to the sides is off

20200315_103502 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
20200315_103521 by Charles Marson, on Flickr



So as mentioned, the plan moving forward is to use the Camaro frame, replace all the rubber in the control arms, and the ball joints and start reassembly.
With the Virus pandemic, and my schedule and working OT, I have not had the time to go and do anything but I plan to rectifiy that tomorrow and hopefuly I can dig out the upper control arms, remove the lower ones and maybe get lined up to have them swapped out for the fresh ones. I now live in town and the car is a 30 minute away at 60 miles per hour most of the way. Not as convienient as before so I just need to use my time wisely.
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Re: "The Project"
« Reply #79 on: March 22, 2020, 07:29:33 AM »
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