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The Project
« on: August 14, 2018, 09:08:12 PM »
I nicknamed this car "The Project" because it has been just that...a project that has been on going for 18 years. With the garage being built, maybe I can finally start working on her again. Like all good builds, it has spent a lot of time as a shelf/storage place.

So...I started with  solid, rot free car which is un heard of in Northern Ontario, about 18 years ago. This photo was taken, the only time I ever drove the car illegally, with no insurance and false plates to my grandfathers place. Not too smart.

P1030454 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

Shortly after the car was ripped apart, and I sold a lot of the original, clean, rust free sheet metal for peanuts. As stated earlier, I wasn't very smart.

P1030456 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1030457 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

The last picture shows what is just surface rust but what i discovered was that the car was in some sort of accident as the floor pan and firewall were damaged and the front clip had a twist to it. All of which I need to finish repairing.
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Re: The Project
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2018, 09:18:58 PM »
The car stayed this way for quite some time until I was able to work on her again. Family life and babies kicked the crap outta any money going towards my build. Around 2010, I was able to get a bunch started on it again and made some really good progress.

Here she sits in her last home

P1030585 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1030590 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1030589 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

Then more disassembly

P1040500 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1040484 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1040504 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1040486 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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Re: The Project
« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2018, 09:33:06 PM »
This shows the wrinkled sheet metal, needing attention

P1040509 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1040506 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

I began removing the bad spots for repair

P1040584 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1040586 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1040585 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

wee bit of damage

P1040583 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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Re: The Project
« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2018, 09:40:02 PM »
Interesting "Project", I'll follow alone.




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Re: The Project
« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2018, 09:43:27 PM »
Hard to see in the previous photos but the sheet metal was pushed up against the air intake tunnel that runs behind it.

I finally got myself organized and the confidence or balls in this case to attack the sheet metal with the torch for some old fashioned heat shrinking

Let me tell you it didn't start out pretty. In fact it got that bad that I almost gave up in favor of cutting and rewelding new sheet metal in it's place.

I was pretty darn proud of myself for the fact that one I didn't give up, and two I managed to not only fix my mangled mess I created on top of the other mangled mess, but was able to make the panel look relatively flat and achieve the shrinkage I was looking for in the first place.

Can't really tell too much from the picture but you can at least see all the torch circles

P1040743 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1040744 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
P1040745 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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Re: The Project
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Re: The Project
« Reply #5 on: August 15, 2018, 12:35:34 AM »
Wow! Looks like you got a real project there! Your workmanship looks very good so far so keep up the good work!
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Re: The Project
« Reply #6 on: August 16, 2018, 08:23:29 PM »
Earlier in the thread I said I did this work in 2010 but I learned it was actually 2009.

I continued to remove nasty sheet metal just to make sure things weren't outta whack

P1040748 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

P1040747 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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Re: The Project
« Reply #7 on: August 16, 2018, 08:32:21 PM »
Donor part

P1040773 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

What I took

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Don't remember why but i cut the end off and rewelded in a different piece

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Re: The Project
« Reply #8 on: August 18, 2018, 09:15:44 AM »
Looks like an ambitious project, but we have all been there at some point. Not sure but it looks like you may have grafted another cars serial number onto yours! Hope this doesn't pose a future problem.
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Re: The Project
« Reply #9 on: August 18, 2018, 09:28:25 AM »
Looks like an ambitious project, but we have all been there at some point. Not sure but it looks like you may have grafted another cars serial number onto yours! Hope this doesn't pose a future problem.

Yeah I did but it's not an issue around here. To get it licensed it just needs the proper VIN code and it is not going to an original, numbers matching car by any stretch so we are good on that front. Also, I have been informed, warned and threatened by my son that we are not allowed to part with it under any circumstances even if the car is still in pieces.

Ahh...youthful ambition...good kid...still makes me laugh
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Re: The Project
« Reply #10 on: August 18, 2018, 10:02:02 AM »
So here is a picture of Rohen working on the car in March of 2010 (8 yrs)

P1040819 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

and this is him in Aug of 2018 (16 yrs). I'd like to direct your attention to his favorite hat that he wears all the time. I think I brainwashed him nicely!!

Me and My son by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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Re: The Project
« Reply #11 on: August 18, 2018, 10:19:21 AM »
Next in the process of things done was I had to rebuild the frame mount and re-weld it onto the car. I cleaned off all the rust, fixed the cracks, straightened it out and got it installed back on the car.

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test Fit

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Painted and installed again

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Re: The Project
« Reply #12 on: August 18, 2018, 10:22:47 AM »
I used chassis saver black for this as the paint is tough, lasts and is very durable. A lot of the 4x4 off road guys paint the underside of their rigs with this stuff around here.

P1050009 by Charles Marson, on Flickr
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Re: The Project
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2018, 05:38:41 AM »
So at the time, they didn't reproduce a toe board specifically for the 2nd gens, so I had to buy one for a 1st gen and cut out what I needed.

Not sure if they offer this now but 8 years ago there wasn't anything.

P1040859 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

inside view of where it was going and welded in place

P1050086 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

P1050101 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

and the floor welded back up

P1050194 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

Rear passanger side

P1050197 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

And the mess on the driver side. This was the patch I put in the car when I first got it and didn't know how to weld as good as I did years later. Before life took in a turbulent direction, I was able to get that patch mess removed and I have a replacement toe board section that took me literally 2.5 years to get. I kept missing them when they would come up for sale.

P1040511 by Charles Marson, on Flickr

this is sadly the last picture I took but the sheet metal has been fixed, seam sealer was applied to all the joints, and I prepped and painted the entire bowl with that chassis saver black paint on the passenger side. I also did the firewall in the same stuff. It covers well, stops rust, and is extremely durable.

once I can get to my car again (inside a sea can in storage), I will take photos of the situation its in, and take some of the floor.

Next set of photos will also be current, moving forward from where its at now. This car will go on the road again, and this time I have a partner who is just as interested in getting it there. She hates things sitting around for nothing...lol

It will have a new home before winter, just have to get that garage done now!!

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Re: The Project
« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2018, 05:49:01 AM »
Looking forward to seeing the finishing touches Charlie

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« Reply #15 on: February 09, 2019, 02:42:48 PM »
I found 2 pics of donor cars I've used. The purple one was actually the very first firebird I ever owned. It never did run and ultimately I only grabbed a few things off of it and traded it for an S-10 and parts as I was broke and needed parts for my truck. It was a gold car to start out life and I want to say the interior was tan in colour...but that's pulling from old memories

The green one belonged to a friend of mine before the guy I got it from had it. I grabbed it for peanuts and it was well scavenged before going to the scrap yard. It had a pretty cool eagle airbrushed on the hood, native themed kinda art work. It was a black on black car to start out life  I remember getting a ride in this thing which just fueled my love for these cars!! that all took place, I would guess about 6 years before I owned it.

Sorry for the fuzziness but the original photos were fuzzy too

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Re: The Project
« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2019, 04:12:06 PM »
I believe you are going to win this car battle!
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Re: The Project
« Reply #17 on: February 09, 2019, 04:13:39 PM »
I believe you are going to win this car battle!


hahahah...yeah...or I'm going to bloody well die trying my hardest
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Re: The Project
« Reply #18 on: February 11, 2019, 11:31:41 AM »
Here is another donor car contributing some parts to this cause. 1981, 305, fully loaded car that i wish was worth saving but it was not! The car started life as a brown car with a tan interior and I got as many parts as I could get off of it!

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Re: The Project
« Reply #19 on: February 11, 2019, 01:56:55 PM »
Wow, all of those "donor" cars are better than both of my current products!
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Re: The Project
« Reply #20 on: February 11, 2019, 04:36:08 PM »
I was  kinda thinking the same! The green car looks pretty nice.
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Re: The Project
« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2019, 04:38:37 PM »
Nice to see I'm not the only one with a 20 year resto.  ;) Keep her moving forward.
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Re: The Project
« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2019, 06:19:07 PM »
We are fighting the same battles!  Can't wait to watch the progress.

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Re: The Project
« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2019, 08:26:35 PM »
Thank guys,

Being back on the forums has definitely helped with motivation. Having a place to live and work on it has and will be helpful as well. "The Project" is about 6th inline of work that needs doing once we get rolling inside the garage but I am anxious to get started on it again.


As far as the donor cars...they look mint in the pictures but they were too far gone...the green car was a bondo princess and the other two made good donor parts. I'm not really too sure what happened to the purple car...likely life has ended for it
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Re: The Project
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2019, 11:40:11 AM »
I know in my case it helps to have family support. Its really cool you've included your son in the process. My sons and wife help out too, motivating me to keep going. Life gets in the way sometimes.
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Re: The Project
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2019, 07:37:04 PM »
I know in my case it helps to have family support. Its really cool you've included your son in the process. My sons and wife help out too, motivating me to keep going. Life gets in the way sometimes.

Having the family support certainly does help. Also provides fond memories and respect for the car. They tend to treat those things better when tey have spent hours poured into it


I had a quick look at the old girl today...I was happy at first glace, the T-Top glass, handle and mechanisms still seemed to work and moved tightly (In respect for the movement of the handle as the glass is out of the car). When I go long periods of time, not looking at the car, it always makes me happy to see just how good a shape it actually is in. I'm so used to looking at rusty junk up here that if its, it must be a basket case. That isn't this car. Yeah it has issues but nothing too terrible.

I have a plan for her but i recently decided that life has too many projects on the go for me so instead of a complete, show car quality, restoration, i will recondition it, make it sound, safe and reliable but i will put it together to drive. At some point in its life I will re-attack it again and do it the way it should be done at a later dae. This should save some time and money for this round.

As always, we shall see though. I have a habbit of changing my mind like my underwear...often!!!
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Re: The Project
« Reply #26 on: March 20, 2019, 06:24:43 AM »
It's too easy to fall into the trap of "my car has to be perfect". You are right, make sure it's safe, reliable and just enjoy it.

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Re: The Project
« Reply #27 on: March 20, 2019, 07:37:21 AM »
I think you have a good idea on how to do your car. I spent more than 5 yrs on my 77. There literally is not a single bolt that has not been touched. I started the project for the sake of working on something, not for a finished product.  About 3/4 way through I started working for the finished car of which I never thought would be realized. I am approaching the car I am working on now differently. Although I dont want to compromise quality I guess you can say I am taking a shortcut on quantity. Im trying to be not so anal in regards to making sure every nut an bolt has been removed, cleaned and replaced. Again, I am doing this because I enjoy tinkering in the shop, not really caring about the finished product. Looking forward to your progress.
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Re: The Project
« Reply #28 on: March 20, 2019, 09:10:51 AM »
There is no thing as a perfect car. Trying to make any project perfect is a nightmare of frustrations. Although something may look perfect the builder always knows the hidden, or not so obvious imperfections. I say keep up with your work and I am sure it will be awesome.

Jim
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Re: The Project
« Reply #29 on: March 20, 2019, 12:12:04 PM »
I totally agree but both the above statements.  The perfectionist in me was holding my project back. I am trying to compromise with myself.  Sounds weird but anyone working on a project knows what I mean.  Just keep moving forward.  Rich once said it's like eating an elephant,  one bite at a time.

Edit. I forgot to say I have been working on and off for 20 years on mine. I am close now so I am trying to overlook some things that only I would notice anyway. If it wasn't for my perfectionist side, I could have been enjoying the car all these years.
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79 Trans am 301 (work in progress) LS swap n progress
79 Formula 301 (Work in progress)
67 RS Camaro (Work in progress)
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Re: The Project
« Reply #30 on: March 20, 2019, 04:17:34 PM »
Thank guy's

The feedback helps as I respect your opinions
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Re: The Project
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