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Anderslober

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Scary decal application coming up.
« on: May 12, 2018, 07:47:31 PM »
Hello forum,

I am about to put decals back on my gold TA. I dread this part quite a bit, as I dont want to goof it up.

I bought a kit from Phoenix Graphics.

Of course clean the area where the decals go.......do I need to lay down `application fluid`? What exactly is `application fluid`?

Or are the decals `sticky`?

I will post pictures as I go ahead..........a bit nervous about it though...
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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2018, 08:15:01 PM »
the decals are sticky
you need the application gell so you can slide the decal to get the exact positioning
i made a home brew
50/50 mix, water and methylated spirits
with a few drops of johnsons baby shampoo
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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2018, 05:42:31 AM »
If you never done it I would advise that you either hire someone or get help from a knowledgeable person.

If you want to do it yourself you still need help, the step I tool installing few are as follows:

1. Position the bird on the hood and tape it down to mark few corners
2. Remove the bird and spray down the hood with soap water (you just want an even layer without soaking the car)
3. Make sure the hood is clean and you don't have wax or dirt.
4. Get few people to hold different corners of the bird and remove the backing.
5. Lay down the bird onto the wet hood and position using the markers you placed earlier.
6. Use the squeegee provided and start working from the center out.
7. Make sure you get all bobbles but don't worry if you can't get every small one out.
8. Keep the car outside under the sun (you don't want it to be very hot but hot enough to allow the bird to dry and cure)

Good luck. 




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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2018, 06:02:58 AM »
I did mine, with the help of 3 guys, none of us had done one before. The pucker factor was high, but it turned out good. I think there is one good youtube video and one other on line tutorial if you search. Jack's list is good. I would add as a mater of opinion:

more water vs. less water is better
spray the bird too as you peel the backing off to avoid is sticking to itself
apply it in the shade, and then when done park in the sun

I had several tiny little bubbles when I was done and not very happy. I parked it in the sun for an afternoon and they didn't go away. I parked it in the garage and went to work and didn't even look at it for a couple days and all of a sudden next time I looked at it they were magically all gone.

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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2018, 06:18:46 AM »
Revised.

1. Position the bird on the hood and tape it down to mark few corners
2. Remove the bird and spray down the hood with soap water (you just want an even layer without soaking the car)
3. Work in the shade on a calm day (you don't want wind)
4. Make sure the hood is clean and you don't have wax or dirt.
5. Get few people to hold different corners of the bird and remove the backing.
6. Optional - Spray down the bird.
7. Lay down the bird onto the wet hood and position using the markers you placed earlier.
8. Use the squeegee provided and start working from the center out.
9. Make sure you get all bubbles but don't worry if you can't get every small one out.
10. Keep the car outside under the sun (you don't want it to be very hot but hot enough to allow the bird to dry and cure)
11. If you see small bubbles use a very small needle and punch a small hole while squeezing the water out.
12. Make sure the small corners are positioned correctly and not lifting.




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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2018, 06:18:46 AM »

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« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2018, 09:20:54 AM »
Jacks steps are right on.  I did my hood bird with my son. 2 people can do it ok. Neither of us had any experience with something like this. Just make sure you go over it very well with the squeegee to get as much air/bubbles out as possible. I thought I did and when I peeled the top layer of paper off it looked horrible. It was full of bubbles. To the point I was ready to rip it off and start again. I set the car in the sun for a couple of days, and also started to drive it.  I think the engine heat may have helped as well. It took a couple of weeks but they eventually all went away and it looks great now.
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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2018, 02:55:00 AM »
I have this job coming up in a week or so also . I have a 3 piece hoodbird  so it should be a little easier . good to know  bubbles that you cant smooth out will shrink away in a few days .

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« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2018, 04:57:28 AM »
Good luck! Can't wait to see it!
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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2018, 11:39:49 PM »
Thanks for all the info. I am not doing the bird.......that decal is fine. I am `only` doing the rear-end decals, as this was where my car was fixed/painted.

Sail panel decals, trunk decals, spoiler decals, bumper.........and door decals.

I will use the 50/50(water/methylated alcohol...+ abit of shampoo).

I will test on a surface with a decal that I dont need first.......I just dont want to botch this !!

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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2018, 05:42:47 PM »
I would only amend one part: I tape down one side and work from the center out on the bird, one half at a time to reduce area. I have installed around 10-12 sets.
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« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2018, 06:33:29 PM »
Just my opinion, but for the smaller decals I would do them dry without a solution. I started mine (stripes) with solution and had bad luck. The decal would not dry, and when I tried to pull the top off the decal came with it and moved. I had a friend that said they did theirs dry, so I decided to give it a try. It worked out extremely well for me. Just make sure you have it placed right, and make sure you squeegee out the bubbles.
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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2018, 09:05:58 PM »
Amount of solution sprayed, and strength plays a big role also. You want it tacky but moveable, but not sitting on top of solution and sliding down the panel.

Who makes a 3-piece hood bird these days?

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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2018, 11:39:34 PM »
When my Trans Am was painted afterwards I had the bird put on at the body shop. They used a local vinyl wrap guy do it and he did an amazing job. It cost me $150 dollars but it came out excellent and I was very happy. It looked every bit as good as factory installation and was right on the marks. You can do it yourself , but if you don’t want to do it, you can look into that as option.
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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #13 on: May 17, 2018, 05:29:39 AM »
Just my opinion, but for the smaller decals I would do them dry without a solution. I started mine (stripes) with solution and had bad luck. The decal would not dry, and when I tried to pull the top off the decal came with it and moved. I had a friend that said they did theirs dry, so I decided to give it a try. It worked out extremely well for me. Just make sure you have it placed right, and make sure you squeegee out the bubbles.

I agree totally, I've done the small one both ways and will never do it wet again.




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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #14 on: May 17, 2018, 05:32:08 AM »
Amount of solution sprayed, and strength plays a big role also. You want it tacky but moveable, but not sitting on top of solution and sliding down the panel.

Who makes a 3-piece hood bird these days?

I agree as with a lot of solution the glue will wash away.

Cheap eBay ones are 3 piece.




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Re: Scary decal application coming up.
« Reply #15 on: May 17, 2018, 06:39:10 AM »
I had a hard time and was extremely frustrated with the stripes when I first started. So bad I called Phoenix G and asked what I was doing wrong. The general thought was that the air was too humid and I should let them sit for a couple of days before pulling the mask off. That didn't help. If and when I do it again, I would gladly pay 150. to have the hood bird put on.
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