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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #120 on: April 13, 2018, 01:00:25 PM »
Thanks a lot!!

No problem, I'm happy to help  :cool:
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2018, 09:45:23 AM »
So yesterday I did a much needed modification. Several months ago I switched out the T handle shift knob to the wooden one with the push button. I didn't know at the time that the shift lever was different to accept the wooden one. The t handle was held on with a set screw and the wood is held on with C clips. Well, there were no groves on the lever for the clips to go in so I tried cutting some in with a pipe cutter. It worked ok but they were not wide enough or deep enough for a good hold. Every now and then the whole knob popped off as I shifted...lol. There's also a little guide ring that slides into some groves at the top of the lever and keeps the knob from turning. Those groves weren't on the lever either so I never used the ring. I also swapped the transmission form the 2 speed to a 3 speed. The detent plate only locked into drive and 2nd so the detent for the low gear was missing. No big deal since it still shifted into low if I wanted to but I didn't like it not locking. I have been looking around for a while of a 3 speed shifter with the wood knob to drop in and replace the 2 speed t handle. No happening for under $300. Then I found that I can replace the detent plate, that kit casts around $100 And rivets had to be drilled out and the new plates screws in.

First thing to do was pull the shifter and clean it up...



You can see the 2 groves for the C clamps that I cut in with the pipe cutter
 

Disassembled..


All clean...
   

You can see the slots I cut in for the guide ring at the top of the shifter and the wider deeper groves for the C clamp...
 

I forgot to take pictures of the guide ring in place. This is the guide ring so you can see how it needs the slots to slide over the shaft. The notch the on the outside goes around a pin on the inside of the shift knob and that prevents it from spinning.


I was able to use my Dremel tool to grind out the additional detent for low gear. It wasn't very difficult and it saved me $100 and drilling out the rivets. Of course I didn't take a picture of it but you can see it in the second picture. The first picture shows the difference in the detent plate. Going from a 2 speed to a three speed is a very simple modification that took about a minute to do.

Here you can see the additional notch for the three speed...


It took hardly any time to notch the detent and now I have a solid low gear...


All together, looking and working like new, and best of all it keeps $300 bucks in my pocket!
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78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2018, 10:16:22 AM »
Nice job.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #123 on: April 15, 2018, 03:40:29 PM »
Almost forgot about the USB port in the console. Since I had the console out I decided to run the line under the carpet and up through the screw hole, that way I didn't have to cut into the console.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #124 on: April 15, 2018, 05:04:51 PM »
Where did you plug the charger and how did you run the cable (USB side)




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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #125 on: April 15, 2018, 07:10:07 PM »
Very nice! Good pics!! I wonder if this shifter is the same as the 2nd gen shifter?

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #126 on: April 15, 2018, 10:31:34 PM »
Very nice! Good pics!! I wonder if this shifter is the same as the 2nd gen shifter?

Thanks DD. The housing is different on the 2nd gen but basic disassembly is the same.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #127 on: April 15, 2018, 10:45:51 PM »
Where did you plug the charger and how did you run the cable (USB side)

It's plugged into the back of my radio. It's a retro sound radio with 2 USB ports, 2 aux ports and bluetooth. You can see it in my previous posts. The cable runs under the carpet past the shifter and up trough the screw hole in the console.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #128 on: June 11, 2018, 09:37:48 AM »
Finally after 2 1/2 months of waiting I finally received all the parts for my RA IV set up! I ordered the kit through Firebird Central and got a great online discount that saved me over $300 from ordering somewhere else. However, their supplier kept sending them right side heat actuators and no left side actuators. They finally got that right after a few weeks of going back and forth. Once I got that in I started my install. However, the actuators didn't sit flat on the pan because there was a recess in that area and the actuator hung over the end of it, and the passenger side actuator was hitting the hood support so I was back on the phone with Firebird Central. They said aftermarket TA hoods were made with the support from a firebird and that the support would have to be cut. I told them I have an original Trans Am hood. Their response was that some original hoods were made with firebird hood supports. Basically telling me that I had to cut my hood. I wasn't going to do that so I started doing some research. Finally I found some pictures of and original barn find TA and I looked at the upper pan really close, it was different than mine. The area where the actuators sat were larger and recessed so they can sit flat and deeper in the pan. Back on the phone with Firebird Central. Now they insisted that there was only one pan for the firebird and TA, and that I would have to cut my hood. They're very pushy on cutting hood supports. I started sending them pictures and the guy I was talking to said he didn't know what I was referring to and would call me back. 2 days later I still didn't get a call so I called them again. This time I spoke with someone who actually knew about RA IV TA set ups and he agreed that I had the wrong hood. Apparently their supplier kept sending them firebird pans instead of TA pans. I reminded him that's what they told me about the actuator and said they need a new supplier. He agreed but told me there is only ONE company in the US who manufactures these parts so we are all at their mercy no matter who we order them from. That really sucks but I finally got the right pan last week. Everything fits nice and snug and the support does NOT have to be cut. Only one more thing I have to look into and that's the thickness of the foam seal. It's so thick that the back of my hood sticks up about 1/2 inch. Either the foam is too thick or my carburetor has to be lowered, and that's not happening...lol

Here is a picture of a firebird upper pan. You can see in the red circle that there is an angled recess where the actuator sits. The recess is where it hangs over.





In this picture you can see the actuator hitting the support and hanging off the dip in the firebird pan. Firebirds only used one actuator on the driver side. The hole in the pan had a block off plate. The RA III cars were the same, including the TA. The RA IV TA cars used 2 actuators for faster warm up.



Now here is the correct RA IV upper TA pan. You can see the obvious difference where the actuator sits. The area is recessed deeper to clear the support, and it's flat so the actuator sits firmly on the pan.



Here's mine installed. Can't wait for the next car show!!
I will have to remove it one more time to paint the inside of the hood black.



Not good  :-?
I'm hoping that over time the foam will compress enough for the hood to close properly.



I hope this post helps anyone out there who plans on installing a ram air kit on their car. There IS a difference in the upper pans for a firebird, TA, RAIII and RAIV cars. Firebirds and RAIII cars used the pan with the angled recess, RAIV TA cars used the other pan with the flat rectangle recess.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #129 on: June 11, 2018, 12:45:27 PM »
Looks good Jim, other than the foam problem. Pardon my question just a curiosity. What  is the wire running to the hood and what are the actuators you are talking about? Is there an electric door/gate that shuts off the opening of the hood scoops?
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #130 on: June 11, 2018, 03:00:52 PM »
Looks good Jim, other than the foam problem. Pardon my question just a curiosity. What  is the wire running to the hood and what are the actuators you are talking about? Is there an electric door/gate that shuts off the opening of the hood scoops?

It's Joe, not Jim  8-)

That's actually a good question. TA scoops don't open and close like a RAM AIR 400 car would, they are always open. The "wire" you're referring to is a vacuum line that runs from a vacuum switch to the actuators. The actuators open and close to let hot air from the engine compartment into the intake for a faster warm up. It's the same system you'll see on air cleaner bases with snorkels like this GTO air cleaner...



Here's a stock picture of an actuator...



Here they are installed on the upper pan. Think of the upper pan as the air cleaner base.



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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #131 on: June 11, 2018, 07:01:47 PM »
Sorry JOE, thanks for the explanation. Makes perfect sense.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #132 on: June 11, 2018, 09:47:45 PM »
Sorry JOE, thanks for the explanation. Makes perfect sense.

Glad to help.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #133 on: June 13, 2018, 02:11:23 PM »
Great write up!  :cool:
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #134 on: June 19, 2018, 10:45:24 AM »
Great write up!  :cool:

Thank you! The person over at Firebird Central told me he learned a lot that he didn't know.
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Re: 69 TA
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #135 on: June 19, 2018, 10:52:32 AM »
It's time for some major work to be done. I came across some 16 heads that I'm going to replace my 4X heads with, and have been talking to a highly experienced Pontiac engine builder about making some modifications. He's going to build my heads and recommended a cam. All the goodies are on order so I'll be swapping the cam while he builds the heads. They should be done in about 2 weeks.





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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #136 on: June 20, 2018, 09:40:41 PM »
Day one of the tear down began today. The new hi flow water pump is here with the thermostat, and the cam and timing chain will be here Friday. I found that my power steering pump was leaking as I expected so I'll have to take a close look and see if it's leaking from the fitting or if I need to replace it.


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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #137 on: June 23, 2018, 05:20:34 AM »
Don't you just love the complex accessory bracket system for 69?
And as I found out setting mine up, some of the pieces are 69 model year specific only. Later stuff in the mid-late 70's is much simpler.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #138 on: June 25, 2018, 08:35:32 AM »
Don't you just love the complex accessory bracket system for 69?
And as I found out setting mine up, some of the pieces are 69 model year specific only. Later stuff in the mid-late 70's is much simpler.

It was different than what I remember when I worked on my 78 TA. I think the bracket they rigged up for the kick down cable was more complex...lol
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #139 on: June 25, 2018, 09:02:18 AM »
I got a little more work done Friday night. I'm starting to wait till the sun goes down and it cools off a bit, working in the garage when it's 110 degrees outside ain't that fun...lol. I took the weekend off and me and my girlfriend headed up to the cooler temperatures in Williams AZ.

I removed the radiator, water pump, carb, and intake manifold. The water pump gave me a little trouble with one bolt, there's always one isn't there! It was so stripped out that I was able to force a 12 mm 12 pt socket on it and get enough bite to brake it loose. The intake bolt however, I was able to brake loose and then unscrew by hand. All in all this is turning out to be a very clean motor. I can't understand why it wasn't built with a little more balls by the last owner. It would have saved me a lot of money...lol









I'm going to bring the intake to the machine shop that's building my heads and have it blasted and repaint it. It's a little discolored and looks like it was red at some point. I found red on the block too.



I'll take the timing chain cover to get blasted too. I don't have an air compressor or impact to get the bolt off so I need to figure out how I'm gonna do that. Time to call in some help. But all the parts are coming in so it'll be ready to go right back together as soon as the heads are done.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #140 on: June 26, 2018, 08:23:21 AM »
I was back at it last night getting the heads ready to come out. I really didn't do too much. I removed the valley pan, valve covers, rocker arms, lifters, and push rods. Everything looks good and solid, and no damage to anything. I checked out the power steering pump and found that it's leaking and has to be replaced. I noticed a lot of paint drips down the side of the pump and on pulley. Someone did a bad job painting an old pump to make it look new. I'll add the pulley to the list of parts to get blasted. I'm going to the machine shop after work to check on my heads, they should be ready soon. My work basically stops here until the heads are ready and I can get some help getting the dampner off to change the cam and timing chain. I checked my sockets and don't have one that fits. I have nothing to get that thing off!! LOL







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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #141 on: June 26, 2018, 06:40:51 PM »
I solved my damper bolt issue today. I got a Milwaukee M18 Fuel 1/2" impact wrench. It has a fastening torque of 450 ft lbs and a break torque of 600 ft lbs!!! It's lithium battery operated with 3 torque settings. It broke my damper bolt loose and removed it on the first setting. I removed the bolt, balancer, and timing cover bolts in less than 5 minutes. This is going to make short work of removing my head bolts. Why oh why didn't I get this sooner! LOL

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #142 on: June 28, 2018, 08:46:18 AM »
I made a little more progress last night. I pulled the timing chain cover, timing chain and gears, and the cam. I have the valley cover sitting on the block so nothing would fall in the motor but unfortunately a loose piece of old gasket fell in when I took it off to pull the cam. Now I have to drain the oil and pull the oil pan. I think it was inevitable that I would have to do that no matter how careful I was. Oh well, at least I don't have to be too careful anymore...lol. This weekend I'll pull the heads and start cleaning it up to get ready to put it all back together.

While I'm waiting for the heads, which haven't been started yet  :-(, I took the power steering pump apart to rebuild it. It was more of a pain in the ass getting it apart than I thought but I got it.







As I said in a previous post, the paint on this thing is crap. There's drips like it was painted with a brush. You can see on the right side that there's a glob of paint dripping and more around the top bolt. I decided that I'm going to strip it and re-paint it as long as I have it apart. The housing cleaned up pretty good, the pump is going to take a little more work since it's not a smooth piece.



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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #143 on: June 28, 2018, 09:05:19 AM »
I can't believe what some people do. Look at the left side of this picture. So much of this has been painted with a brush! It's caked on there and looks like total crap!!! I know the oil pan looks the same way so that's gonna have to be fixed too. If you're going to build a motor then build the darn thing right. I'm so tempted to pull it and strip it down just to paint it right. But that would require a complete tear down so I'm gonna have to do what I can with the motor in the car. And that really sucks because that's not doing it right either  :-x



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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #144 on: June 30, 2018, 06:14:03 AM »
That impact gun sounds terrific!
Feel your pain with the oil pan, I had to cut a corroded timing cover off my 77's 400.....rubbish ended up in the pan. Had to drain it, then flush the pan from the opening at the front with a couple of gallons of kerosene to make sure I'd washed all the junk out....annoying.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #145 on: June 30, 2018, 07:53:48 AM »
Boy, you've jumped in head first! Like a lot of cars, I thought it looked pretty darn good before you started, I cant wait to see what you end up with. Gonna be pretty sweet! I install pre  engineered steel buildings for a living. We have several of those Milwaukee impact guns. They are the bees knees. They have more torque than the corded ones we used to use. I use a lot of the  Milwaukee battery stuff. I have been happy with all of it.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #146 on: July 01, 2018, 01:26:26 PM »
That impact gun sounds terrific!
Feel your pain with the oil pan, I had to cut a corroded timing cover off my 77's 400.....rubbish ended up in the pan. Had to drain it, then flush the pan from the opening at the front with a couple of gallons of kerosene to make sure I'd washed all the junk out....annoying.

I knew it was going to happen, it always does...lol. It's almost impossible to prevent anything from falling in.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #147 on: July 01, 2018, 01:31:40 PM »
Boy, you've jumped in head first! Like a lot of cars, I thought it looked pretty darn good before you started, I cant wait to see what you end up with. Gonna be pretty sweet! I install pre  engineered steel buildings for a living. We have several of those Milwaukee impact guns. They are the bees knees. They have more torque than the corded ones we used to use. I use a lot of the  Milwaukee battery stuff. I have been happy with all of it.

She looks darn good and sounds awesome, but she has no get up and go when I press the go fast peddle.

The Milwaukee impact has saved a lot of knick and bruises on my knuckles. It was definitely a waste investment. The torque is much more than I expected and rivals any air impact I've used before. I still have one stubborn head bolt that just won't break loose though.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #148 on: July 02, 2018, 08:52:45 AM »
Over the weekend I decided it was time to try to strip the paint off the intake, power steering pump,, timing cover, and pulleys. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised to find layers upon layers of paint. Under the Pontiac blue was a layer of orange, under that was yellow, under that was the original Pontiac blue. The first layer pealed right off with some aircraft stripper, but the other layers weren't going to be so easy. The timing cover came clean easy, but the intake gave me a lot of trouble. I got stripper disks for my Dremel and it still wouldn't come clean easily. I decided to get them blasted and save myself some headaches, and mess.







I got the heads pulled over the weekend...well, almost. I got one head pulled and the bolts out of the other one. The second one had a stubborn bolt that my impact would not loosen. I pulled out my breaker bar and started cranking down on it. That's when it slipped off the bolt and pounded my hand into the block!  :shock:  There was lots of blood involved in that mishap. After taking a break to clean myself hand, stop the bleeding, and let the throbbing stop, I went back out and finally won the battle. I was really disappointed but not surprised when I saw the pistons. They're recessed. I don't know how much compression I'm loosing with these pistons, but they got to go. I'll never get to where I want to be with them. That means the block is coming out after all. At least I'll be able to take it to machine shop and have it cleaned up to remove all those layers of paint and do this right. And it'll be a hell of a lot easier to build it outside the car.

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #149 on: July 02, 2018, 10:08:25 AM »
Looks like your gonna shave about 50lbs off as well once all of that paint is gone!
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #150 on: July 02, 2018, 10:21:47 AM »
Looks like your gonna shave about 50lbs off as well once all of that paint is gone!

 I think you're right! :lol: :lol:
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69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #151 on: July 03, 2018, 06:02:59 PM »
The power steering pump is rebuilt but still needs to be painted! Pics to come.

My machinist just confirmed my thoughts about my current pistons. They're crap. Those pistons along with my 4X heads are producing a whopping 6.7:1 compression!! I said it was a dog didn't I? LOL Even with my new #16 heads they will only get up to 7.6:1. So that's the last straw, the motor is coming out and going to the machine shop. I don't have too far to go, all I have to do is unbolt the transmission and motor mounts and pick it out of there. I'm gonna have it cleaned up and have new main bearings and cam bearings put in. I'm going with forged aluminum pistons to get me to 9-9.5:1, new rings, and new forged rods. I sure didn't come this far to put together another dog, this is going to be done right this time.
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #152 on: July 04, 2018, 10:00:51 PM »
Can understand those heads if you were running small chamber RAIII heads...it'd let you drive it on pump gas...but with 4X's????????  :shock:
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #153 on: July 05, 2018, 09:57:27 AM »
Can understand those heads if you were running small chamber RAIII heads...it'd let you drive it on pump gas...but with 4X's????????  :shock:

I sent my machinist the dimensions of the dish in the pistons and he figured out that the cc's along with the 98cc 4X heads comes to 6.7:1. I plugged my info into an online Compression ratio calculator and it looks like the pistons are around 19cc. With the new 16 heads and some new pistons I'll be around 9.3:1. With it's current set up I'm guessing it's putting out about 200hp which is less than I initially thought and I plan on doubling that, or more, with this rebuild. The cylinders measure 4.125" so they haven't been bored. Gotta take a close look at them when the block is out and disassembled so we can see the whole cylinder wall and decide from there weather or not to go to +.030. Decisions, decisions....lol
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #154 on: July 08, 2018, 02:35:45 PM »
It's been another long productive weekend. The motor came out today! It's still on the hoist till I get some bolts to mount it to the stand. I'll finish disassembling it there. Then it's off to the machine shop to get cleaned up.





Crappy ass paint job!




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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #155 on: July 10, 2018, 11:38:41 AM »
Just a little bit of progress yesterday. I got the block mounted to the engine stand, removed the torque converter, fly wheel, and oil pan. It was too darn hot yesterday so I didn't stay in the garage too long. I'll get the rest disassembled tomorrow. I'm hoping to get it to the machine shop this week, cleaned and honed, and back by the end of next week. That'll give me a week to clean up the mess on the floor...lol. The heads are supposed to be done this week, so I should be able to pick those up along with my other parts that are getting blasted when I drop off the block.





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69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #156 on: July 16, 2018, 08:38:37 AM »
While I'm waiting for everything to come back from the machine shop, and trying to figure out how to get an engine block over there without owning a truck, I'm spending some time on the engine bay. I got it all cleaned up and it's really not that bad. I touched up a few areas and plug welded those holes from the halogen's breakers and relays. If you've been following this thread one of the first things I did was to move those breakers and relays off the wheel wells to behind the radiator. Now was the perfect time to clean that up since the bay is empty. I need to stop and get some paint after work today to paint the wheel wells. I'm cleaning up the core support and core filler panels so I can paint the whole bay, and some brackets. Can't wait to see how it looks with a nice new shiny engine in it!!  :-D








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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #157 on: July 16, 2018, 12:44:48 PM »
I thought these were after pics. Doesn't look too bad as is, gonna look GREAT after its been redone. As far as moving the motor, this may sound crazy, but have you considered renting a truck from Home Depot. They rent them for some stupid low amount like $50 or less for a day. I bought a motor from a fellow TAC'r and he delivered it with his jeep and a small rented trailer from uhaul. Or, do you have a friend or neighbor who has a small landscape trailer you could borrow for a case of beer?
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #158 on: July 16, 2018, 02:27:51 PM »
I thought these were after pics. Doesn't look too bad as is, gonna look GREAT after its been redone. As far as moving the motor, this may sound crazy, but have you considered renting a truck from Home Depot. They rent them for some stupid low amount like $50 or less for a day. I bought a motor from a fellow TAC'r and he delivered it with his jeep and a small rented trailer from uhaul. Or, do you have a friend or neighbor who has a small landscape trailer you could borrow for a case of beer?

Yeah it cleaned up good! The core support and filler panels need the most attention so I’m just gonna do everything since I can. And so did the wheel wells. I have friends with trucks but none get out of work before the machine shop closes. I’ve thought of uhaul but I’d hate to have to rent a truck for an hour. Gonna see if I can borrow one from a friend while they’re at work. I have to figure out something soon, I’m getting impatient...lol
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69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #159 on: July 16, 2018, 10:00:15 PM »
It's been another productive night. Got the bay, panels, supports, brackets, and power steering pump all painted. Everything looks brand new.

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After...





No more extra holes on the wheel wells!!





Some brackets and filler panels...









And the power steering pump rebuilt and painted. It's been done for a while but I haven't posted a picture of the finished product...



...and the bracket...

68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

Re: 69 TA
« Reply #159 on: July 16, 2018, 10:00:15 PM »
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