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jmb36TA

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #120 on: April 13, 2018, 01:00:25 PM »
Thanks a lot!!

No problem, I'm happy to help  :cool:
68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

jmb36TA

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #121 on: April 15, 2018, 09:45:23 AM »
So yesterday I did a much needed modification. Several months ago I switched out the T handle shift knob to the wooden one with the push button. I didn't know at the time that the shift lever was different to accept the wooden one. The t handle was held on with a set screw and the wood is held on with C clips. Well, there were no groves on the lever for the clips to go in so I tried cutting some in with a pipe cutter. It worked ok but they were not wide enough or deep enough for a good hold. Every now and then the whole knob popped off as I shifted...lol. There's also a little guide ring that slides into some groves at the top of the lever and keeps the knob from turning. Those groves weren't on the lever either so I never used the ring. I also swapped the transmission form the 2 speed to a 3 speed. The detent plate only locked into drive and 2nd so the detent for the low gear was missing. No big deal since it still shifted into low if I wanted to but I didn't like it not locking. I have been looking around for a while of a 3 speed shifter with the wood knob to drop in and replace the 2 speed t handle. No happening for under $300. Then I found that I can replace the detent plate, that kit casts around $100 And rivets had to be drilled out and the new plates screws in.

First thing to do was pull the shifter and clean it up...



You can see the 2 groves for the C clamps that I cut in with the pipe cutter
 

Disassembled..


All clean...
   

You can see the slots I cut in for the guide ring at the top of the shifter and the wider deeper groves for the C clamp...
 

I forgot to take pictures of the guide ring in place. This is the guide ring so you can see how it needs the slots to slide over the shaft. The notch the on the outside goes around a pin on the inside of the shift knob and that prevents it from spinning.


I was able to use my Dremel tool to grind out the additional detent for low gear. It wasn't very difficult and it saved me $100 and drilling out the rivets. Of course I didn't take a picture of it but you can see it in the second picture. The first picture shows the difference in the detent plate. Going from a 2 speed to a three speed is a very simple modification that took about a minute to do.

Here you can see the additional notch for the three speed...


It took hardly any time to notch the detent and now I have a solid low gear...


All together, looking and working like new, and best of all it keeps $300 bucks in my pocket!
68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

roadking77

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #122 on: April 15, 2018, 10:16:22 AM »
Nice job.
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jmb36TA

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #123 on: April 15, 2018, 03:40:29 PM »
Almost forgot about the USB port in the console. Since I had the console out I decided to run the line under the carpet and up through the screw hole, that way I didn't have to cut into the console.
68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #124 on: April 15, 2018, 05:04:51 PM »
Where did you plug the charger and how did you run the cable (USB side)




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Re: 69 TA
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DD78TA

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #125 on: April 15, 2018, 07:10:07 PM »
Very nice! Good pics!! I wonder if this shifter is the same as the 2nd gen shifter?

jmb36TA

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #126 on: April 15, 2018, 10:31:34 PM »
Very nice! Good pics!! I wonder if this shifter is the same as the 2nd gen shifter?

Thanks DD. The housing is different on the 2nd gen but basic disassembly is the same.
68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

jmb36TA

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #127 on: April 15, 2018, 10:45:51 PM »
Where did you plug the charger and how did you run the cable (USB side)

It's plugged into the back of my radio. It's a retro sound radio with 2 USB ports, 2 aux ports and bluetooth. You can see it in my previous posts. The cable runs under the carpet past the shifter and up trough the screw hole in the console.
68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #128 on: June 11, 2018, 09:37:48 AM »
Finally after 2 1/2 months of waiting I finally received all the parts for my RA IV set up! I ordered the kit through Firebird Central and got a great online discount that saved me over $300 from ordering somewhere else. However, their supplier kept sending them right side heat actuators and no left side actuators. They finally got that right after a few weeks of going back and forth. Once I got that in I started my install. However, the actuators didn't sit flat on the pan because there was a recess in that area and the actuator hung over the end of it, and the passenger side actuator was hitting the hood support so I was back on the phone with Firebird Central. They said aftermarket TA hoods were made with the support from a firebird and that the support would have to be cut. I told them I have an original Trans Am hood. Their response was that some original hoods were made with firebird hood supports. Basically telling me that I had to cut my hood. I wasn't going to do that so I started doing some research. Finally I found some pictures of and original barn find TA and I looked at the upper pan really close, it was different than mine. The area where the actuators sat were larger and recessed so they can sit flat and deeper in the pan. Back on the phone with Firebird Central. Now they insisted that there was only one pan for the firebird and TA, and that I would have to cut my hood. They're very pushy on cutting hood supports. I started sending them pictures and the guy I was talking to said he didn't know what I was referring to and would call me back. 2 days later I still didn't get a call so I called them again. This time I spoke with someone who actually knew about RA IV TA set ups and he agreed that I had the wrong hood. Apparently their supplier kept sending them firebird pans instead of TA pans. I reminded him that's what they told me about the actuator and said they need a new supplier. He agreed but told me there is only ONE company in the US who manufactures these parts so we are all at their mercy no matter who we order them from. That really sucks but I finally got the right pan last week. Everything fits nice and snug and the support does NOT have to be cut. Only one more thing I have to look into and that's the thickness of the foam seal. It's so thick that the back of my hood sticks up about 1/2 inch. Either the foam is too thick or my carburetor has to be lowered, and that's not happening...lol

Here is a picture of a firebird upper pan. You can see in the red circle that there is an angled recess where the actuator sits. The recess is where it hangs over.





In this picture you can see the actuator hitting the support and hanging off the dip in the firebird pan. Firebirds only used one actuator on the driver side. The hole in the pan had a block off plate. The RA III cars were the same, including the TA. The RA IV TA cars used 2 actuators for faster warm up.



Now here is the correct RA IV upper TA pan. You can see the obvious difference where the actuator sits. The area is recessed deeper to clear the support, and it's flat so the actuator sits firmly on the pan.



Here's mine installed. Can't wait for the next car show!!
I will have to remove it one more time to paint the inside of the hood black.



Not good  :-?
I'm hoping that over time the foam will compress enough for the hood to close properly.



I hope this post helps anyone out there who plans on installing a ram air kit on their car. There IS a difference in the upper pans for a firebird, TA, RAIII and RAIV cars. Firebirds and RAIII cars used the pan with the angled recess, RAIV TA cars used the other pan with the flat rectangle recess.
68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #129 on: June 11, 2018, 12:45:27 PM »
Looks good Jim, other than the foam problem. Pardon my question just a curiosity. What  is the wire running to the hood and what are the actuators you are talking about? Is there an electric door/gate that shuts off the opening of the hood scoops?
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79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
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'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #130 on: June 11, 2018, 03:00:52 PM »
Looks good Jim, other than the foam problem. Pardon my question just a curiosity. What  is the wire running to the hood and what are the actuators you are talking about? Is there an electric door/gate that shuts off the opening of the hood scoops?

It's Joe, not Jim  8-)

That's actually a good question. TA scoops don't open and close like a RAM AIR 400 car would, they are always open. The "wire" you're referring to is a vacuum line that runs from a vacuum switch to the actuators. The actuators open and close to let hot air from the engine compartment into the intake for a faster warm up. It's the same system you'll see on air cleaner bases with snorkels like this GTO air cleaner...



Here's a stock picture of an actuator...



Here they are installed on the upper pan. Think of the upper pan as the air cleaner base.



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68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #131 on: June 11, 2018, 07:01:47 PM »
Sorry JOE, thanks for the explanation. Makes perfect sense.
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79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
'01-HD RoadKing

jmb36TA

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #132 on: June 11, 2018, 09:47:45 PM »
Sorry JOE, thanks for the explanation. Makes perfect sense.

Glad to help.
68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #133 on: June 13, 2018, 02:11:23 PM »
Great write up!  :cool:
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Leigh

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1976 Pontiac Trans Am
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jmb36TA

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #134 on: June 19, 2018, 10:45:24 AM »
Great write up!  :cool:

Thank you! The person over at Firebird Central told me he learned a lot that he didn't know.
68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

Re: 69 TA
« Reply #134 on: June 19, 2018, 10:45:24 AM »

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #135 on: June 19, 2018, 10:52:32 AM »
It's time for some major work to be done. I came across some 16 heads that I'm going to replace my 4X heads with, and have been talking to a highly experienced Pontiac engine builder about making some modifications. He's going to build my heads and recommended a cam. All the goodies are on order so I'll be swapping the cam while he builds the heads. They should be done in about 2 weeks.





68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #136 on: June 20, 2018, 09:40:41 PM »
Day one of the tear down began today. The new hi flow water pump is here with the thermostat, and the cam and timing chain will be here Friday. I found that my power steering pump was leaking as I expected so I'll have to take a close look and see if it's leaking from the fitting or if I need to replace it.


68 Firebird 350 auto
69 Trans Am Tribute 400 auto (currently own)
78 Trans Am 455 auto
78 Trans Am 6.6 4 speed
88 Trans Am 5.0 auto
02 Trans Am WS6 LS 6 speed (currently own)

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Re: 69 TA
« Reply #137 on: Today at 05:20:34 AM »
Don't you just love the complex accessory bracket system for 69?
And as I found out setting mine up, some of the pieces are 69 model year specific only. Later stuff in the mid-late 70's is much simpler.
Regards,
Leigh

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1969 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe (project)

Former Firebirds -
1971 Pontiac Firebird 455
1977 Pontiac Trans Am
1976 Pontiac Trans Am
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 convertible
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe


Re: 69 TA
« Reply #137 on: Today at 05:20:34 AM »
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