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Maxthe222

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How many SE's in Australia?
« on: July 07, 2017, 10:20:02 PM »
Just wondering if anyone knows how many special edition T/A's there are in Aus, i've heard of maybe two, but I can imagine there'd be a few more hiding out somewhere. Thinking more of the Y8*'s than the 10th anniversary ones and the pace cars.

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 11:17:48 PM »
i have 1978 Y84 and my friend just sold his 1979 Y84
at a wild guess i would say around 200 genuine and many more clones
local car show usually has half a dozen special edition
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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2017, 12:14:58 AM »
200 Genuine Special editions? Wow, that is much more than I thought, I didn't even know there was that many T/A's in the country in general! How much did he sell it for?

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2017, 12:24:37 AM »
shane sold his 1979 for around $8000 to $9000 from memory
it was lhd pretty rough and 403 engine
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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2017, 12:47:54 AM »
What?!?!? If that was a genuine one i'd of thought $10k very least even if the whole car was very rough?? How long ago did he sell it?

Re: How many SE's in Australia?
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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2017, 01:13:34 AM »
last year
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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2017, 06:34:52 AM »
I have a 1977 SE that I am rebuilding in Brisbane

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2017, 07:53:28 PM »
Ooooh really? Got any pics of it?

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #8 on: July 09, 2017, 11:42:03 PM »
I am on Facebook mate Brad Gaffy  pics are there  :)

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2017, 04:19:32 AM »
There's lots, and even more lookalikes. The cost of shipping and conversion to RHD, back then and even now, means the more expensive and sought after models were selected. How many base models, bugger all.

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2018, 06:19:38 AM »
How many 79 SE 400 4sp would you estimate are in Australia then???

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2018, 07:09:45 AM »
I wonder also how many LH & RH drive genuine Y84 SE 400 4speeds would be in Australia?

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2018, 05:28:46 PM »
i think the question is how many Y84 400 4sp exist in the world
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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2018, 12:30:19 AM »
I can tell you that there are exactly 1107 1979 Y84 W72 4 Speeds in the world. I have never seen nor heard of a Y84 W72 in Australia, but I would not be surprised if there is one or two. I've heard of one, but again I've never seen a photo or proof, and as far as i'm concerned it's not real. I think only lately people have discovered the niche rarity of the 1979 W72 cars even in the US, now people are trying to document them and create a list. However, there are a good handful 1979 W72 4 Speed CLONES in Aus. Very good clones too. There is one fantastic 1979 4 speed that is a factory black car in Victoria that I have seen, but that's it.

Now from my experience after meeting people with T/A's and firebirds, I'd say I've met about ~40-50 who actually own a 1970-1981 Firebird. Not people who say their uncle in Bowral has one on his farm, physical people with physical cars they drive.
Half of those people claimed they had a "bandit car" and a "SE".

I'm going to state that about a year or two ago, there was definitely not 200 Special Edition Cars in Australia. In the last couple of months/year, that may have changed, but I think that number is closer to >100 maaaybeeee >150 if there just happens to be a bunch of barns in the middle of rural NSW/QLD. I forget who, but someone said "You wouldn't waste time paying import fees and shipping a standard Firebird/Formula/TRANS AM (not a special edition one) here", but from the history of all the cars I've physically seen in person (not bob jane who reckons his mate has one in a magical barn he's said he's got one) they all ended up here in the 80's. The fees present in importing a car to Australia after all these current taxes have been implemented dictate that it would have been much cheaper and easier back then to bring in a car. Did we all also forget that firebirds used to be so inexpensive and cheap? You could get an immaculate SE with every factory option for $20k just a few years ago! Imagine how cheap it woulda been to buy a regular T/A or firebird! Not to mention how cheap it was to get a respray back then too. How many cars have been sold with both parties believing it's a real SE car?

Three of those people had real special editions. 2 1977 Y82's and 1 1979 Y84 (although the entire car is completely unoriginal some might say that doesn't count). And to be fair, two of them are very, very impressively optioned and rare cars. I have seen, but not in person, a 10th Anniversary Car, and I've heard about a 1980 Turbo Indy Pace Car, and people who apparently bought cars from T/A Specialities Florida, but I can't say if they're real or not, and if they still exist, because again, i've never seen them.

There are so many black T/A's in Aus, but almost every single one of them is not a special edition. Even more of them aren't even black cars. Don't take my word for it, look on Gumtree right now. There's at least 10 2nd gen T/A's up there. One is technically a Y84, but it's been heavily customised. 3/4 are black, and almost half aren't factory black cars. Ok there also happens to be a very nice looking original Y88 too, I forgot about that, I thought someone already bought it. (Very cheap too.)

What normally happens is, they show me the cowl tag touting "Look at the tags/look at the numbers old mate said it's the Smokey and the Bandit one". And after one look at the tags that say "50L 50U" I can safely say that the car isn't a SE. (We're talking black cars here not Y88's which have the Y88 stamp anyway.) Most people i've met with these cars didn't even know what engine was inside.

For example, one account: "Oh yeah mate it's a big block 400 Poncho under the hood, 100% original mate." (It ends up being a 403 olds.) A lot of people simply do not know what they have.


Now one disclaimer may be is that I live in NSW. That's a very small area to look at, but I don't see western Aus having these things coming out of the woodwork everywhere. QLD and NSW and even VIC have had the majority of these cars that i've seen. I'd be curious to hear arguments otherwise.

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2018, 03:11:38 AM »
I've met 3 people with a Firebird. Quite happy if I never meet any others. Not a people person and I don't care what car they may or may not have, likewise I won't tell them what I might have. It's no big deal and no one is impressed. It's just how they spend their money.

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #15 on: July 15, 2018, 03:29:18 AM »
out of my work mates
i have 1978 Y84
shane recently sold his 1979 Y84
ben has a 1977 or 1978 trans am factory black
so out of about 90 people 3 have or had trans am at the same time
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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #16 on: July 15, 2018, 03:43:13 AM »
Couldn't tell what most my colleagues drove, or care. One or two know I have 'some sort of old car' but that's it. I don't share and I don't want to discuss it with random strangers. I also don't ask what their hobbies are, or if they are married with kids, have a house, a holiday shack or a dog.

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #17 on: July 16, 2018, 12:14:10 AM »
Mine is definitely a 1977 SE have the PHS documentation

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #18 on: July 16, 2018, 12:55:46 PM »
One of the members on here, Lucky Phil has a tenth anniver. car. He had another that was destroyed in shipment. Not sure which part of the country's he from though.
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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2018, 12:02:07 AM »
phil is in vic
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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2018, 07:10:11 PM »
Who had a TATA destroyed in a shipment?? "Lucky" Phil? Doesn't sound so lucky?? What happened????

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2018, 07:25:40 AM »
Yea it was Lucky Phil.It was several years ago, I dont remember the details but I think it had something to do with the ship hitting rough seas, and not securing the load properly. He had pics and there were several classic cars destroyed. His was mint condition and there wasn't a panel that wasn't destroyed in the end. It looked liked they were bouncing around against each other. I think someones insurance made good and he did get another to replace it.
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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #23 on: July 26, 2018, 04:43:17 AM »
Well..... At least he got the car? I'm sorry to see that happen to anyone's car! What happened to the wrecked one in the end? I hope they didn't scrap it, there is still a "complete" "original" car there, at least save the tags and engine, right? I'm hoping someone has the car now and is trying to fix it.

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Re: How many SE's in Australia?
« Reply #24 on: July 26, 2018, 04:49:10 AM »
what would you do with the tags?

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