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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #400 on: January 02, 2020, 11:27:04 AM »
My plan for this car is to get it in drivable condition, not do a complete nut and bolt like my 77. If there are a few things not up to snuff, honestly I dont really care. That is not an excuse to do bad work (im too fastidious for that anyway, lol) but I am not trying to get caught up on every tiny detail.

Not so easily done when you have it all apart
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #401 on: January 02, 2020, 07:56:25 PM »
Thanks for the pics Kerry

I have a pretty decent front cover from the 80 I stripped, but there is a guy around here with nothing and he is interested in it along with the metal parts that go behind it. The plastic support part was garbage.

I don't feel like committing the time to take the one on the car off, and think I can restore this one and save some time rather than spend it on the tail end putting it back together.

I will work on tweaking the fitment of the sides of the nose like suggested by FormTA above and that will be quite a bit of on and off but it will be worth it and probably work out OK.

I went back to my Cousin's shop (only .22 miles away) and gave the nose repairs another buzz and skim coat of the plastic repair material on the passenger side>>> and have a couple bottles of body repair fluid.

Take care guys

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #402 on: January 24, 2020, 09:07:49 AM »
2020-01-24_09-39-23 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
2020-01-24_09-39-39 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
2020-01-24_09-39-39 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
Not much going on, now that football is over I will be trying to get something done. Went to change the flat front tire, while it was off I decided to put new brakes on! Not much sense, the motor is in pieces but, I figure now is as good as time as any.
2020-01-24_09-39-47 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
2020-01-24_09-39-55 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
New parts ready to put on.
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #403 on: January 24, 2020, 09:15:09 AM »
I was gonna clean up and try to do a caliper rebuild. The rebuild kits cost about $20, I would have to get a new blasting cabinet-$150- plus not knowing if the piston is good. New caliper was around $30. That was a no brainer for me. I priced the stuff at my local napa and for everything it was about $250. I found a kit at rock auto for less than $200. Includes for the front, new rotors, and calipers, and pads. I got new hoses from Right Stuff. They had 3 levels of brakes, stock, modified and performance. I contemplated getting the modified as the cost wasn't that much more. BUT they had painted red calipers which I did not want, and cross drilled rotors. My research has told me that these kind of upgrades aren't really necessary for what I anticipate my end use of this car will be. So I opted for the stock setup. When I get to the rears, I think I will have to do a rebuild though, not sure if the calipers are available.
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85 T/A - Sold
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #404 on: January 24, 2020, 09:20:09 AM »
2020-01-24_09-38-51 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
Also got a box of parts from ames. Headlight mount that I gooched the first time around and I went ahead and paid the $30 for the bag of front end mounting hardware. Probably cost more than what a bag full of bolts should but the ones that came off are rusty and nasty. I started to clean them but they just dont look as good as new ones. And some gaskets so I can finally get the lenses off my desk and installed where they belong. Thanks again Luke!
2020-01-24_10-18-13 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
2020-01-24_10-18-53 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
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77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
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'39-BSA Gold Star
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #405 on: January 24, 2020, 09:38:24 AM »
Those lenses look nice from here!  I too have to order some gaskets for those so I can install mine. Looks like you are planning to get some work done. I haven't done anything to mine. I have to get going!
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #406 on: January 24, 2020, 09:56:33 AM »
Just about everyday when my grandson comes into my office he says "when you gonna put these lights in my car pops?" He has claimed the '79 as 'his car', which is ok with me. He usually comes out to the shop when I work on it to see whats going on and to help. Im glad he has shown some interest.
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77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
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'39-BSA Gold Star
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #407 on: January 24, 2020, 12:08:41 PM »
Looking good Kerry. Probably a good choice not going with the slotted/drilled rotors. The ones at that price point tend to crack.

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #408 on: January 25, 2020, 08:52:00 AM »
That's what I read. I dont drive my 77 hard and I have he stock set up with the disc on front and still have drum rear. It works fine for my use. Figured the 79 wont be on the race track either.
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79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #409 on: January 25, 2020, 08:53:22 AM »
Not to mention brake parts were ordered before you texted me, and that was another $200 that could have gone towards a motor...:(
Finished!
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79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
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'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #409 on: January 25, 2020, 08:53:22 AM »

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #410 on: January 25, 2020, 08:54:05 AM »
….that could have gone towards the motor.
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79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
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'39-BSA Gold Star
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #411 on: January 25, 2020, 01:31:21 PM »
New parts are awesome!!

I get excited with shiny new parts!!
Charlie

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #412 on: February 07, 2020, 04:25:25 PM »
Driver side is pretty much finished, just a bit more touch up paint. I took a bunch of pics for some reason my flickr only works when it wants to, and apparently it doesn't want to at the moment. All the grime cleaned off, new rotor, new caliper, new pads, new brake line, dust shield straightened out and painted. Stub frame cleaned and painted.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #413 on: February 07, 2020, 05:13:50 PM »
Looking good Kerry.  I think I learned that the best time to do stuff is when you can get the parts and have the time.  I had a relatively cohesive plan, but really most of the 'when' on my project was driven by budget. I think it was smart to do the brakes while you had the chance.

That 'front end hardware kit' looks like the one I got from Ames.  I was disappointed with the contents.  I took everything out of that bag and tried to match it up with all the hardware I bagged up when we disassembled the car.  The kit was good enough to get in the ball park, but I found it didn't match up well and I ended up re-using some fasteners because the 'kit' didn't include everything or maybe not the correct mix of sizes.  I probably don't need to tell you this, but hold on to the originals if you have 'em. 

The rear calipers were not available or difficult to find for a long time. But, a while back Ames started carrying reman'd ones.  That's what I used, PN FR218EB(LR), FR218ED(RR). They were $79.00.  I would say the quality was 'fair'.  I had to return the RR because I couldn't get the brake line to seal. There was a tiny defect in the mating service that was not visible with the naked eye.  I had to take a pic and super zoom in to figure it out.  But, they are 'Delco' parts and Ames took the return and replaced it no problem.   In the driving and testing I've done they function well.  It'll lock up all four corners in a 'panic stop' punch, but is easy to modulate and they have a decent feel.
 
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #414 on: February 08, 2020, 11:14:13 AM »
Good Heads up.  I have all of the original fasteners, but figured for the price of the kit I would put in new. I will have to keep a good eye on things.
My plan is to get the front brakes finished then move on to the rears. I bought repair kits and that is my plan right now. I am hoping whats there will be rebuildable.
I know this car is a long way from needing brakes, but like you stated, that's a pretty cheap fix right now, plus something I have learned, even the little stuff adds up when doing a complete resto. When a big ticket item may be holding something up (my motor for example) that's a good time to get caught up with the details. Last winter I pretty much got the int. pieces ready to go. Once I get the drive line taken care of I will start on the interior.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #415 on: February 10, 2020, 08:37:19 AM »
2020-02-10_09-34-03 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
HEY! I mustve had my tongue held the right way!! Flickr actually worked this morning. New setup on the dr. side. Started to take the booster off yesterday (just need to get inside and unhook the brake pedal) to send out for a restoration. I think removing the brake booster has to be just about the worse job there is on a second gen.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
'01-HD RoadKing

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #416 on: February 10, 2020, 08:59:44 AM »
Sure is! Right up there with the heater core. I cut up a nice ratchet wrench the second time I removed mine.

BTW, what paint are you using on the sub frame? That looks really smooth! Brush or can?
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #417 on: February 10, 2020, 12:37:16 PM »
So, what I'm hearing is, that I should put the brake booster and assembly back on first before anything else gets bolted to the shell!!...got it!!
Charlie

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #418 on: February 10, 2020, 04:35:52 PM »
In my experience, the brake booster should be in the shop then the rest of the car built around it!! First one I took off still had the motor in place, and the fender and inner fender on. That one about whipped my butt! I did learn that the less stuff around it the easier it is, and its still a pain in the A...….
Luke I will have to check on the paint, its a spray bomb undercoating/rust inhibitor/type thing. Wasn't what I thought I was getting but it seems to be doing ok.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #419 on: March 16, 2020, 07:00:12 AM »
2020-03-15_03-19-14 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
Finally got back to getting something done. Got the firewall finished in paint. I just cleaned it up, quick wash down and hit with the spray bomb. Turned out nice, and it took minimal time. On my 77 I sanded everything down to bare metal, primed painted the whole nine yards. This time its a set it forget it kind of job. Not trying to compromise quality but in the end im sure this firewall will look just as good as the other one, and its at least as good as factory.2020-03-15_03-18-57 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
2020-03-15_03-18-44 by Kerry Grubb, on Flickr
Then I started this project. I was lucky to have another cover in the stash of parts and cleaned things up and painted.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #419 on: March 16, 2020, 07:00:12 AM »

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #420 on: March 17, 2020, 10:22:31 PM »
Firewall looks good.  In my opinion, unless you're going full custom,  a simple clean, paint, and tidying up is perfectly good. Especially if you'll be driving the car. 
Oy! That box! I hated that box and was happy to toss mine. (Probably too happy as it might've been useful to someone else.) Mine was cracked with a hole where your canyon sized opening is!  Good luck repairing that...(That sounded sarcastic but is meant to be sincere!).
Let me know if you need any of the duct work inside.  I still have all the AC Ducting packed up somewhere. I  haven't gotten around to selling it off yet.  It's on my list of things to do. 
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #421 on: March 18, 2020, 07:18:41 AM »
I repaired the one in my 77 with fiberglass, it was pretty bad, but not quite as bad as this one. I hate to do it but believe this one will heading to the dump! Tom, I will look over my a/c parts (I think there is some missing), I may be hitting you up.
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79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #422 on: March 30, 2020, 12:39:24 PM »
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Got the a/c box finished. Bench tested motor and it ran fine. The 'red-stat' thingy was painted over and I wet sanded that with 1000g then hit with a coat of clear. All of the connections looked solid I assume it will work. I had to drill out the rivets to remove the metal bracket off the top of the case. I had some screws that I salvaged off a job years ago that have a smooth flat head that match the factory rivets to a 'T'. Got some more cleaning and painted to do at the firewall/frame before I mount this back in place. I know this shouldn't be black, I would imagine it was a natural greyish finish, but this looks better than what I started with.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
'01-HD RoadKing

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #423 on: March 30, 2020, 01:37:52 PM »
Nice work on the A/C box! Looks showroom.

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #424 on: March 30, 2020, 01:45:11 PM »
Thanks Ryan, I still need to get a new grommet for the heater hose and some insulation for the core lines, but I can do that anytime. My parts ordering is put on hold at the moment!
Finished!
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79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
'66-BSA Lightning
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #425 on: March 30, 2020, 06:48:29 PM »
That's the nicest a/c-box I've ever seen.

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #426 on: March 30, 2020, 07:08:56 PM »
By the way, as you've been working with the a/c box, is there a purpose of the "tab" that sticks out? I am asking because I had to cut mine off.

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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #427 on: March 30, 2020, 10:47:08 PM »
I refuse to believe that that is the same box as the earlier pictures. No way!  Do you have any pics of you holding the 'in-progess' box restoration while holding a current news paper such that we can see the headline and date?
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #428 on: March 31, 2020, 01:02:41 AM »
Great job on the AC box, really looks great! It’s really great to see refurbishing the original stuff.
Jim
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #429 on: March 31, 2020, 03:17:56 AM »
Wow! Are you sure it's the same AC box? Maybe you swapped it in your sleep?

Great job on fixing it up.
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #430 on: March 31, 2020, 05:41:26 AM »
No pictures,  didn't really happen....

Looks brand new!
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79 Formula 301 (Work in progress)
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Re: Roadkings TATA (4 speed)
« Reply #431 on: March 31, 2020, 07:26:47 AM »
I should clarify, the one side that was completely blown out was replaced with a spare I had. Previous owner had one in the pile of parts stash that came with the car. 
Sensei, if you are talking about the flat protrusion on the side away from the motor, I have no idea what its for. I had 2 spare halves, one had it built in (the one I used, as I could tell it was what was there), and 1 did not have it, it was flat across. I will post a pic of that one too. I dont see any advantage either way.
Finished!
77 T/A - I will Call this one DONE!
79 TATA 4sp-Next Project?
79 TATA - Lost to Fire!
86 Grand Prix - Sold
85 T/A - Sold
85 Fiero - Sold
82 Firebird - Sold
'38-CZ 250
'39-BSA Gold Star
'49-Triumph 350
'52-Ariel Red Hunter
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« Reply #431 on: March 31, 2020, 07:26:47 AM »
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