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Rocker closeout pics needed
« on: April 30, 2016, 06:33:56 PM »
I am in the process of rebuilding my rockers, in full.   Can anyone post pics of the inner rocker closeout in the rear wheel housing, and the inner rocker joint where it meats the rear wheel housing.  Back by the rubber flappie.   I have all new parts, and the inner rocker has a 90* bend I think should be straight,  just want to confirm, being that mine were gone to start with, and my parts shell has been monkied with in that area.

Thanks for the help.
 

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2016, 07:24:37 PM »




this is what I started with...  Not much left to use as a baseline lol
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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #2 on: April 30, 2016, 07:30:28 PM »
Yikes.....good pics of the flap, though, both sides!

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2016, 05:46:20 PM »
Mz, if you can wait a day or 2 I can get you some pics.  What part of Ohio are you in?  If you're close to Cincy, I can hook you up with some parts.

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2016, 05:53:11 PM »
I can wait, no issue there. I am up in Akron, about 30 min south of Cleveland.  As far as parts go, I have a brand new inner and outer rocker, inner and outer wheel housing, and a good cutoff quarter. Its just an issue of figuring out how this area is supposed to go together.

Thanks for the help, much appreciated

Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 09:01:52 AM »
I'll put the redbird on the lift later and get some too.  It's pretty clean.  I probably can't get to that until Wednesday.
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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2016, 04:09:22 PM »
Heres the state of things now lol




In an effort to make this as educational as possible for anyone and everyone, because somebody will do this again in the future ...  I clamped together what I have.  The inner rocker is AMD.  The Rocker, Inner and Outer wheel housings are all Goodmark.











you can see the right angle tab in question on the inner rocker just to the right of the square flap hole on the following pictures.






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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2016, 04:36:20 PM »
You might get as well keep going and order a floor, roof, quarters trunk, ect.... Build your own second gen... Just kidding. I've been there before, except a lot of the parts weren't available like they are now. Good luck.

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2016, 04:42:10 PM »
 :-P. I have the floors on hand, and a trunk floor, but a more complete one is avalible now, so that will be a re-order..... I have a tail panel too.... Inner and outer.  Roof is good lol.   This one is clearly a labor of love.

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2016, 08:32:12 PM »
Okay, here be pics of a 78




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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #10 on: May 04, 2016, 08:33:58 PM »
I think you should flatten it.
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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #11 on: May 04, 2016, 09:13:37 PM »
Perfect!!!  thanks so much for the help guys.   No doubt at all, that right angle needs to be laid flat.  I wonder why they put it there on the reproduction part...  Also, the clearance notch in the outer rocker is too big and needs to be extended to the next bend towards the lower seam to close it off a bit.

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #12 on: May 04, 2016, 09:47:27 PM »
That part you are going to have to "create" is where my car has a big dent which you can see there.  I figured this dent was to make the parts touch for a spot weld.  I figured it was original.  I don't really know, but I think nobody would dent a car like that with anything other than a hammer.  Maybe it's the opposite; maybe they spot welded it and then bent the edge away.  I don't know.

Now I am wondering if the other cars look the same and/or on both sides.
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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2016, 04:50:26 AM »
If the only thing I need to create in this lower area is an inch square, with as much rust as being repaired here, I am quite happy.   :lol:

Thanks again.

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #14 on: May 07, 2016, 02:20:16 AM »
great pics guys

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2016, 04:11:58 AM »
Okay, here be pics of a 78


Mine has the same dimple, although covered in horrible stone chip spray. Must be something to do with the folding or assembly, since there's nothing behind it. Something pulled in with clamps and wound up tight until welded.


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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #16 on: May 18, 2016, 06:16:47 PM »
I figured I will keep on adding to this post as I make progress.  Which will be slow.. but ... if it helps anyone down the road ... including myself on the other side... its worth it.





Yah .. yah... the welds are still ugly.  Take it easy, its not ground down or fully welded in yet.  The lower holes are not welded in yet because the floor on the other side, and torque box are still on the "to replace list". 

Worth noting here:

there is a little kickout "1"   I had to grind this back to get the panel to sit far enough forward to match up

the original panel has a small right angle bend just behind the seat belt bump.  The material to put the bend back in is there on the repop, noted with a "2"  I would not bend this up until the panel is fully locked down everywhere because the bend will make the panel want to flatten.


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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2016, 08:14:25 PM »
Looks like nice work so far
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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2016, 06:48:50 PM »
quick update before I get farther along and we cant see this clearly.   The outer wheel housing has a tab that joins to the end of the inner rocker.  Its kinda weaved up in there.  The tab is seen here with a couple holes and bare metal / black coating.  I just masked it off when I hit the outer housing with primer, knowing the heat would just burn it off when the inner rocker is welded to it.  Greggs pic way up top shows this connection great from the inside.

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #19 on: September 03, 2016, 09:36:03 PM »
Small update, but, one none the less, As I slowly move forward.



The lower corner of the inner wheel housing had a small curve on it that would not let the bottom flap of the outer housing sit flat.  I chose to cut it off, and plug weld the parts together flush.  The curved detail was enough to push the whole rocker assembly forward 1/8" too far, SO I felt it needed to go to help bring it back where it needed to be.  The Curve I am referring too was pointed to a few pictures up with "1".




Hang tight ... The inner rocker should be coming along some day soon...ish
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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2016, 09:19:13 PM »
The inner rocker is now part of the car.  Currently it is only welded in on the front to allow for things to land where they need to land without locking the front and back down possibly causing a ripple I need to fight.  As the floor goes in, my plan is to punch holes thru the inner rocker and plug weld to the floor.  This will allow me to coat both sides of the panel with epoxy before I close it up with the outer.

Any way... here is where things currently sit.  Don't worry... the Torque box is on the "replace" list.





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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #21 on: September 11, 2016, 03:12:16 AM »
Great work! Thanks for all of the pictures!  I know what I went through with my torque box and roof installs but this looks a bit more difficult.... The roof was challenging but it seems there is more alignment going on in your project.  Keep it up and you will be rust free!
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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2016, 05:57:28 AM »
Great work! Thanks for all of the pictures!  I know what I went through with my torque box and roof installs but this looks a bit more difficult.... The roof was challenging but it seems there is more alignment going on in your project.  Keep it up and you will be rust free!


.. the thought of an entire roof is terrifying to me.  being the main structural component of the car, needing to keep the entire body straight, the window openings right... oy!  Anybody crazy enough to try it and pull that off successfully is a truly badass restorer in my book.

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2016, 09:37:16 AM »
Very nice work, I too had a lot of rust repairs, but fortunately it was all topside, I think that was easy compared to what you have done.
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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2016, 05:45:51 PM »
Nice work, that is about the worst rust I have seen anybody fix on these cars. It's good that the parts are available.
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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2019, 07:08:46 PM »
Something we noticed with the reproduction rocker a LoooOoOng while back, was that the metal over the outer wheel housing does not extend far enough down to fully cover that part.  Being a pinch weld point, which is pretty obvious on the clean pictures shared … we need that metal.  I finally had a chance to add it.










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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #26 on: August 16, 2019, 01:47:57 PM »
Nice write-up. But could you re-host the pics? The photobucket watermark spam is obstructing things.

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« Reply #27 on: August 16, 2019, 04:16:13 PM »
Yes, I will update the host when I have some free time.  Don't want to loose the info.

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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #28 on: August 17, 2019, 08:31:28 PM »
The rocker has been fit on now.

in the first pic is is just set on, so it does fit to the inner wheel housing much better than it looks like.





This is a what is all in there (right now) shot.  There is some structure that completely rotted away that needs to get back in there.


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Re: Rocker closeout pics needed
« Reply #29 on: August 17, 2019, 08:48:08 PM »
All of the pictures I have access to have been re-hosted.  Enjoy

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