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roadking77

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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #480 on: April 25, 2019, 07:22:17 AM »
I have been seriously thinking about doing a motor upgrade in my current project. This is a bit of an inspiration.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #481 on: April 25, 2019, 06:57:33 PM »
Woohoo no more driving around with the hole in the hood. Car seemed to run cooler with the shaker in place.  85 degrees here and I wasn’t even at 180 degrees after 20 minutes.  That was freeway driving.

Yes this is a hood mounted shaker - it can be reverted if need be. 












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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #482 on: April 25, 2019, 07:58:07 PM »
Debating on what to do with the 6.6 Litre decal still, as obviously it no longer is one.   Couple of ideas.
E/Rod - 6.2
T/A - LS3

Or I just leave it as is.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #483 on: April 26, 2019, 02:56:11 AM »
I'd keep it close to original with
T/A - 6.2
6.2 LITRE
That would keep a few people wondering
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #484 on: April 26, 2019, 08:28:52 AM »
I'd keep it close to original with
T/A - 6.2
6.2 LITRE
That would keep a few people wondering
I vote for this one. :)
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I used to be indecisive. Now I'm not sure.
I feel like I am diagonally parked in a parallel universe.
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1968 350 - 4 speed 'vert - 400 clone (the Beast!)
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #485 on: April 26, 2019, 09:18:39 AM »
Thanks guys.  Agreed your options will look more original. 
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #486 on: May 10, 2019, 09:11:29 PM »
Finally got the dash bezel in after installing a replacement OER tach and getting the water temp gauge to work.  Nice to have everything on the car working.

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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #487 on: May 10, 2019, 10:25:01 PM »
food for thought...



...and I need to deal with the Shaker assembly rework too.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #488 on: May 10, 2019, 10:50:21 PM »
Scarebird - your gas pedal bracket worked out great by the way for the LS swap.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #489 on: May 11, 2019, 10:04:52 PM »
thanks, I am glad to hear that.

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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #490 on: June 12, 2019, 02:48:09 PM »
Up over 500 miles now on the LS3.  So far so good.  Car is running great and no leaks or other issues.  The replacement OER tach/clock has been working great so far too, and the OEM water temp gauge is now working well after wiring it into one of the front ports on the engine. 

Will do the 500 mile oil change tomorrow and I have an appointment with my local Chevy dealer to perform the Crankshaft Position System Variation Learn Procedure.  Took a while for me to find someone who had ever heard of the process.   Should be interesting taking the T/A to the dealership next week.  After that, I have to perform a few more break in steps and then it's off to the smog test. 

Here's another pic of the latest ride height post engine swap.  I still think it's sitting a bit high but as I've mentioned in another thread my cats are sitting too low to lower the car with the existing tires.  The car's also squatting quite a bit under acceleration so I'm going to try upping the compression on the rear Vikings and see if that helps. 

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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #491 on: June 12, 2019, 03:32:22 PM »
Glad to hear things are running good. I like the stance as is.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #492 on: June 12, 2019, 07:15:38 PM »
...Took a while for me to find someone who had ever heard of the process.   Should be interesting taking the T/A to the dealership next week...

Had the same experience; "GM pays for this?"

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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #493 on: June 12, 2019, 08:30:04 PM »
Along the same lines I’m now calling around to find if any smog check shop will do my smog without me having to first go to the referee for their label.  The B.A.R advised that I shouldn’t need one but most smog shops won’t take the risk of smogging without it. 
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #494 on: June 13, 2019, 05:41:47 PM »
Scarebird or anyone else that have gotten an Erod smogged - one of my local smog guys wasn’t sure if the car gets smogged using 1977 test procedures or he should use OBD2 procedures.  How were your tests done? 
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #495 on: June 19, 2019, 03:40:24 PM »
Got the CASE relearn procedure completed.   Nice to no longer have the check engine light blinking.  The Chevy dealership was super nice and treated the T/A more carefully than the $100K Z06s that were also there for service.

Now on to the next break in procedure and then smog time.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #496 on: August 20, 2019, 06:29:29 PM »
Good news - passed smog today after 3 attempts with the referee and received my BAR sticker.  I had some issues getting the emissions monitors to set to the point that I had to have the break in procedure performed on a dyno.  Specifically the oxygen sensor monitor was most troublesome.

My registration expires today so it really went down to the wire. 

Given the monitor challenge I’ve managed to put 1300 miles on the LS3.  Many miles in 100 plus degree weather that used to cook my 400.  It’s running great and sounds great too.

Since the last update I also redid the brakes with a Wilwood master cylinder, prop valve, SLC56 front brakes and D154 rear disc conversion.  Still gauging the performance improvements vs my prior setup.  Will post some updated pics later.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #497 on: August 21, 2019, 01:49:21 PM »
Here's the engine bay after adding the Wilwood master/prop valve:

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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #498 on: August 22, 2019, 06:42:33 AM »
Good to hear you are up and running successfully. Every time I read a thread with a motor swap I think that is the way I want to go with my current project.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #499 on: August 23, 2019, 06:54:58 AM »
Congratulations on all your progress; you have really done a lot to make this work!  The engine looks great in there and the Wilwood master matches it much better.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #500 on: August 23, 2019, 08:58:55 AM »
That engine bay makes me sick.... because mine is a disaster with dirt and dust. Hopefully I can clean up my LS to look like yours. Great job!
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #501 on: August 23, 2019, 01:16:09 PM »
Thanks guys! Yeah I agree getting rid of the chrome master cylinder was a good thing. 

Here are some pics of the brakes.  Hard to get a good pic thru the Snowflakes.  Still need to fiddle with the prop valve brake bias to get them working right.  So far the difference between my new and old setup isn't tremendous - though I think having rear discs has made the braking a bit more consistent & straighter.  The parking brake feels more like a modern parking brake too.

I also replaced the hubs in the front with the Corvette C7 hub/bearing as I had some issues with the CPP bearings in the past (I'm running C5 spindles on the front).





 
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #502 on: August 24, 2019, 01:37:26 PM »
Adjusting the prop valve a couple of turns made a huge difference.  Adding some rear brake made them feel pretty much like modern brakes now.  Guess that’s a critical adjustment to pay attention to.

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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #503 on: October 20, 2019, 05:33:27 PM »
Been a while since I’ve provided an update.  Up over 1500 miles on the LS now.  Had another car in the shop and I ended up daily driving the T/A for nearly an entire month.  It did great, dealing with some pretty high temps too but stayed cool the entire time.

In terms of parts updates I added some Ames drip rails that fit great (my old OER ones were flying off on the freeway).  Also added some Delrin upper rear shackle bushings which seem to help on some squatting issues I was dealing with under hard acceleration.

The car settled a bit more so I’m not going to fiddle further with the suspension height.  I’ve gotten used to maneuvering the cats over speed bumps as well.



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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #504 on: October 20, 2019, 05:50:11 PM »
A few recent pics:

Car show at our local In n Out Burger a few weeks ago - parked next to TAC member EscapeRacing.


Pic of T/A post Ames Drip Rail replacements


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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #505 on: October 21, 2019, 01:32:27 PM »
Cars look good together. Its great that you can drive the heck out of it and enjoy it the way they should be.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #506 on: October 21, 2019, 01:56:23 PM »
Beautiful looking car!  Very nice work on the LS install.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #507 on: October 21, 2019, 04:03:48 PM »
Thanks guys!  Yeah I'm pretty close to having as many miles this year on the car as in the 5 years prior combined.  I guess that makes the modern engine investment worth it :D

I really am liking how the car is driving overall now - all of the earlier investment in the PTFB suspension, rear end and axles have it handling well and accelerating really smoothly off the line.  No wheel hop -  it just plants and goes straight.

The exhaust sounds great with the Spintech muffler Ram Air setup.  I had a 2010 Camaro SS before and it sounds nowhere like the T/A setup.  If you weren't aware of the LS3 I think you'd assume it still had an old school engine. 

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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #508 on: July 17, 2020, 04:07:30 PM »
A few new updates:  Added power windows (Nu-Relics), kick panels with built-in Kenwood speakers (Firebird Central), and a hydroboost kit (Custom Power Brake).









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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #509 on: July 17, 2020, 04:18:41 PM »
Now for my review of the new parts:

Nu-Relics Power Windows:  installed pretty easily, but they're a bit noisy still.  Guessing they take some time to break in.  I had to find some OEM Door boots as the ones with the kit were way too small.  Other than that, no additional parts required.  The console switch installed similar to the factory switch.  Will report back in a month to see how they hold up.

Firebird Central Kick Panels with Kenwood speakers:  Only issue with these is that the speakers are not very low profile.  Hence I had to finagle the parking brake to go around the speaker.  Other than that, I like the setup now with the front center speaker, side fronts, rear deck and sub.  My original kick panels fell apart when removing them. 

Hydroboost:  Everything installed really easily.  It's designed for our firewalls.  It's got a cooler and a steering fluid filter in the setup as well.  So far, heavy braking is a ton better with this setup.  I never was totally satisfied with my full wilwood disk/MC setup.  I think I finally am now.  I'm still getting used to the pedal feel and I'm not sure the prop valve setting is exactly in the optimal place yet either.  There's a little whining noise that I'm digging into but I think it's improving with miles.

Unpictured - I added the remote trunk release button into the glovebox.  It was an NOS kit that came with all of the parts - wires, button, solenoid.  Works great.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #509 on: July 17, 2020, 04:18:41 PM »

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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #510 on: July 19, 2020, 09:24:12 AM »
Now for my review of the new parts:

Nu-Relics Power Windows:  installed pretty easily, but they're a bit noisy still.  Guessing they take some time to break in.  I had to find some OEM Door boots as the ones with the kit were way too small.  Other than that, no additional parts required.  The console switch installed similar to the factory switch.  Will report back in a month to see how they hold up.

Firebird Central Kick Panels with Kenwood speakers:  Only issue with these is that the speakers are not very low profile.  Hence I had to finagle the parking brake to go around the speaker.  Other than that, I like the setup now with the front center speaker, side fronts, rear deck and sub.  My original kick panels fell apart when removing them. 

Hydroboost:  Everything installed really easily.  It's designed for our firewalls.  It's got a cooler and a steering fluid filter in the setup as well.  So far, heavy braking is a ton better with this setup.  I never was totally satisfied with my full wilwood disk/MC setup.  I think I finally am now.  I'm still getting used to the pedal feel and I'm not sure the prop valve setting is exactly in the optimal place yet either.  There's a little whining noise that I'm digging into but I think it's improving with miles.

Unpictured - I added the remote trunk release button into the glovebox.  It was an NOS kit that came with all of the parts - wires, button, solenoid.  Works great.

Looks great.  What happens to the passenger side A/C kick panel vacuum door assembly.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #511 on: July 19, 2020, 09:45:16 AM »
Thanks!  Good question - forgot to mention that the vacuum doors get blocked off.  I never really noticed much air coming from them though.  My aftermarket A/C seems to blow enough air for my needs.

One more update. Looks like I need to get a more powerful Power Steering pump.  The new Holley pump that came with my accessory kit puts out 1200 PSI whereas the hydroboost ideally needs about 1500. I’m curious if that’ll overboost my steering though so I’m th thinking to pick up one of these pressure adjusters from Heidts just in case.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/hdt-ps-101
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #512 on: July 21, 2020, 05:47:32 AM »
You should look into a company called Turn One. I'm sure they can help you out.

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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #513 on: July 21, 2020, 10:19:00 AM »
You should look into a company called Turn One. I'm sure they can help you out.

Thanks, yes talked to Junior at TurnOne yesterday.  I'll likely be buying one of their 1500 PSI pumps.  Still not sure if I need a remote reservoir - I don't think I have much room left in the engine compartment at this point.
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
« Reply #514 on: October 17, 2020, 07:50:05 PM »
A few updates - I ended up getting the TurnOne steering pump.  It's quieter, but you can still hear it at low speeds.  Definitely a big improvement...will just live with it at this point.  I guess the whine is a way to highlight the hydroboost installation - kinda like supercharger whine :D

I actually noticed the T/A seemed to have a bit more power than it did with the Holley pump....which surprised me a bit as I wasn't expecting that benefit.  I tested out the brakes a bit more and was able to lock up all 4s...I don't recall being able to do that with the OEM style booster. 

Installed new turn signal flashers - wish I had bought the $6 part 6 years back.  I just assumed they were permanently slow.  Now the turn signals flash faster than my 17 Challenger.

Also had some paint work done to address all of the issues from the shop that had my T/A in paint jail for 2 years, 6 years back.  Will post pics as I'm getting some of the decals reinstalled next week.  Primarily hood, roof, front and rear quarter sections had flaws (mostly fisheyes & orange peel).  Very happy with the new paint - which took the new shop all of 1 week to accomplish :) 

For a moment I thought about changing to SE decals but decided to stick with my non SE Black setup. 
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Re: My first resto: 1977 TA
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