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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #40 on: March 11, 2014, 07:16:19 PM »
I agree with what you said to Ford5of5.

Let's leave it at that and concentrate on your build – good luck and I will continue to watch from the sidelines if that is okay with you?




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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #41 on: March 11, 2014, 07:19:53 PM »
The problem with purebred dogs is that they all started out as domesticated wolves! :o My family has been in to Doberman Pinchers for quite some time; that breed is only around 130 years old.  :eek:

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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #42 on: March 11, 2014, 07:31:38 PM »
Ford engine in a Pontiac? Never!
See I knew you couldn't be that bad
I was gonna go high class and put a BMW v-10 in there. lol!
That would be cool 


I agree with what you said to Ford5of5.

Let's leave it at that and concentrate on your build – good luck and I will continue to watch from the sidelines if that is okay with you?
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #43 on: March 11, 2014, 08:45:51 PM »
How are you replacing the tail panel? Are you using Repop, orginal metal, or fabbing?

I Was planning on Putting that Original one back in, I don't remember any thing wrong with it? what did you see is their more Rust???
Actually I didn't catch the pic of the condition of the panel when you took it off. That's the only reason I asked. We all know these cars are notorious for hiding rust bombs.
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2014, 07:18:21 AM »
I had to go digging but I can up with a few pictures







The Inner tail panel like the trunk pan was Literally ate out gone with rust but the outer wasnt that bad some heavy surface rust inside but no real pitting issues like the quarters and so much of the rest of the car, What little there was I can fix like the damage done to it removing it I can fix that too.
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #44 on: March 12, 2014, 07:18:21 AM »

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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #45 on: March 12, 2014, 07:23:05 AM »
The tail panel is pretty rough on my 73, I wish it looked like yours. Not sure what route I'm gonna go with it yet....
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #46 on: March 12, 2014, 07:34:31 AM »
I would say blast it then look at it, Use crushed Glass or Glass bead I end up paying like a Buck a pound for it.
Love to hear of a cheaper alternative? I need some now

All ya need to do is cut the Pitted stuff off & make another piece look like what ya cut off and weld it on easy.

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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #47 on: March 12, 2014, 07:43:54 AM »
Play sand or pool filter sand is as cheap as it gets but very, very dangerous & you can mess up your lungs (silicosis).  If you can suit up in a way that absolutely prevents any inhalation of sand dust, tough. . .. .
Just saying.  Still, I wouldn't recommend it.
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #48 on: March 12, 2014, 11:41:35 AM »
Play sand or pool filter sand is as cheap as it gets but very, very dangerous & you can mess up your lungs (silicosis).  If you can suit up in a way that absolutely prevents any inhalation of sand dust, tough. . .. .
Just saying.  Still, I wouldn't recommend it.
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #49 on: April 18, 2014, 08:37:43 AM »
I took some time off from this project but I'm back on the Job should have some new pictures soon
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #50 on: January 01, 2015, 03:42:23 PM »
bump to be able to find so I can update thread
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #51 on: September 29, 2015, 04:11:35 AM »
boy this thing gets a tone of support
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #52 on: September 29, 2015, 12:17:00 PM »
boy this thing gets a tone of support

You are not alone.  I recently put 2 or 3 major updates on my resto thread and guess what, no replies.

I've actually just read your entire thread and wow you have more patience and rust repair skills than I.  I did floor pans but quarter panels seem scarier because people actually see them. 

Keep up the good work!
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #53 on: September 29, 2015, 12:22:25 PM »
I replied earlier today but it apparently didn't take using Microsoft Edge, So I switched to Explorer this time around.  Try posting more details and lots of photos so people can keep up with the build. That seems to be the formula that gets the most feedback.  Good work so far by the way.

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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #54 on: September 29, 2015, 05:21:29 PM »
looking GREAT!  First time I saw this thread.   Love seeing ones like this.

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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #55 on: September 29, 2015, 05:41:02 PM »
nice work!

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« Reply #56 on: September 29, 2015, 05:57:37 PM »
Good job, wish I had your metal skills.
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #57 on: September 30, 2015, 07:20:38 AM »
X2, totally amazing.  Inspires me though, I have a welder and I think I want to at least learn the basics.
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #58 on: October 02, 2015, 12:46:59 PM »
Thanks Guys for nice complements & comments 

I was out their yesterday tinkering with it trying to finalize fit of trunk Pan before I start welding it in. I am Not really happy with quarter panel patches but sick of playing with them. Not sure If i will Mig weld Or Tig weld Trunk panel maybe some of both.

I have to go buy some of those really long deep Vise grip C clamps need at least 4 of them 6 would be better Rear Tail panel still needs to be Blasted on the inside and I have a few Patches to make on it before I can reinstall it. 
   
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #59 on: October 06, 2015, 12:51:27 PM »
Well I went out and got those clamps had to go to three different stores to get 4 of them  :?

Today is Friday so tomorrow will find me out there for next few days I wanna get the trunk and the Tail panel done so I can move on to the Cowl panel. taking me way too long on this one but we all know how life is.
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #60 on: October 13, 2015, 11:08:47 AM »
Well I went out and got those clamps had to go to three different stores to get 4 of them  :?

Today is Friday so tomorrow will find me out there for next few days I wanna get the trunk and the Tail panel done so I can move on to the Cowl panel. taking me way too long on this one but we all know how life is.

Don't forget to post pics :-)  I seriously cannot wait to see how this turns out!
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #61 on: October 13, 2015, 12:04:16 PM »
Can't wait to see more progress

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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #62 on: October 13, 2015, 12:22:49 PM »
Sorry guys I have to work till through wend before I get a day off then we will see some progress this week.
 
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #63 on: November 23, 2015, 01:49:30 PM »
Sorry about updates My real job got out of hand was working 7 days a week for months with no time off till now, lots of time off now & I have mad Progress and taken pictures but have misplaced my Camera cord to down load silly thing to my Puter.
I need to find it things are starting to go pretty good now that I have started welding in the Trunk pan and redid the left Quarter panel patch.

The Inner Tail panel is giving me Fits right now have to tie it to the quarter panel from inside while the Rear panel is on and the right Quarter panel where it fits into Tail panel needs a Bit of a Tune up but its not bad I am out of Oxygen right now but should have some more after Turkey day.
I also picked up some toys from HF wich seam to work good after some minor fabrication mainly A new Shrinker Stretcher combo with the foot operated stand I whipped out a Nice window channel with it in about 20 min the other night just playing around seams to work good if you don't over press it to hard just use it lightly, I know its HF Junk and all and the teeth are likely to dull quickly if they are pressed to hard so I go lightly with it and slow. I also picked up their cheap open throat shear its junk cheap copy of a good tool but it does cut good. I also got one of their cheap 30 inch brakes its also a pos but it works ok if all you wanna make is a 90 i am sure I can make more with it but its no Box Brake.

   
 
 
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #64 on: November 27, 2015, 01:37:43 AM »
Keep up the great work brother! Will be back to work tomorrow and hit up my project as well.
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2016, 12:59:06 PM »
Hello ALL
Sorry no pics although I did find my Camera cord progress has been slow as my real job goes in spurts but some minor progress has been made in the Trunk its going very slow I hope to update pictures this week if I can get some time.

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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #66 on: January 10, 2016, 02:38:18 PM »
Hello All well i finally found my Camera and its cord and updated my Photobucket with the pic's.
I have more progress than what I am gonna post today but it will leave me some stuff to do latter this week.

The first hear is a how to on making a Tape mold I made of the one quarter panel I made it to make sure I kept the same shape with the repairs I made to the quarter.

The first layer is Frisk paper commonly used for art projects, dont mind the wrinkles.
 






Next the Frisk paper is trimmed and covered with a couple layers of reinforced tape such as Packing tape in my case I used a type of Duct tape for this one.







Then I trim it and start pulling it all off in one piece, once pulled off I flip it over and coat it with Talk powder or in this case Baby powder to kill the Sticky.



Your left with a Form that fits the original panel very accurately so you can detect Low and Hi areas on the panel very easily.
It allows you to check your body lines as well.





 

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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #67 on: January 14, 2016, 09:53:33 PM »










I will get pics of trunk welded in tomorrow
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #68 on: January 15, 2016, 08:34:01 PM »
Rust scares me. It would be slow going if I had to repair any. Looks likes oh are starting to make headway. Keep up fighting the good fight
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #69 on: January 15, 2016, 09:20:31 PM »
Rust scares me. It would be slow going if I had to repair any. Looks likes oh are starting to make headway. Keep up fighting the good fight

Been playing with it for a while now and I have learned a lot by trial and error on all the different processes MIG TIG & Gas and they all have there place on a car in my opinion no one Process will do it all accept maybe Gas, It Takes Time and a lot of practice.
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #70 on: January 15, 2016, 10:44:32 PM »
The mold idea is pretty slick. Thanks for posting that. I'm always afraid when making patches to such areas because of losing the curves. I'm glad to see ya back at it. I got all the same issues with my '72, but that project got put away for now. I have the same love-hate relationship with HF.

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« Reply #71 on: January 16, 2016, 11:19:36 AM »
The mold idea is pretty slick. Thanks for posting that. I'm always afraid when making patches to such areas because of losing the curves. I'm glad to see ya back at it. I got all the same issues with my '72, but that project got put away for now. I have the same love-hate relationship with HF.

The Tape Mold works well You don't have to use Frisk paper either I used it because How big of a Mold I wanted and I had it laying around Regular old Masking tape will work well Just as Long as you use a few good Layers of Reinforced Packing tape over it that is the important step and of course using a chalk to kill the sticky once you peel it off. 

I am actually happy with my HF stuff I got this time the shear works great not as Nice as an American made one but for the price I paid Im not going to complain the Brake is a POS but it works great for simple bends and simple angles the Shrinker Stretcher combo is My Favorite I know it wont last a lifetime but it does work well for what it is.
The E wheel I bought last year needed to be highly modified and is still a POS I suggest buying the wheels and just building your own if you want one, I am able to work with it though and put some body to a flat piece of steel to use to make Patch panel repairs with it though so I cant complain to much and I had read that it was a POS on all the metal forming forums before I bought it so I knew what I was getting.

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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #72 on: January 17, 2016, 07:49:19 AM »
X2 on the mold... I've never done it myself but could have used the idea when making patches for my 72. Keep up the progress and good work.




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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #73 on: January 24, 2016, 08:10:01 PM »
Looks to be shaping up well.  8-)
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #74 on: February 25, 2016, 09:42:26 PM »
Looks to be shaping up well.  8-)

Its got a long way to go I have made some progress but other projects have been getting in the way of Major progress updates soon
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #75 on: March 08, 2016, 07:00:36 AM »
Life always has a way of getting in the way of living too.  :cool:
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2017, 08:58:32 AM »
Sorry Guys this Project keeps taking a back seat to other projects in progress But its not forgotten.
I will try to get a few project pics up but no promises this time I have a new job starting in LA soon witch will take even more time away from it but should be a shot in the arm for many needed new parts soon.   
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2017, 01:23:11 PM »
All it takes is time! Good luck with the new job.
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #78 on: January 11, 2019, 08:51:08 PM »
Hey WOW been a long time since I worked on this PILE OF $ hit!
Well I got it on my new Rotisserie today I hope to get back on this thing and finish it as soon as I can.
But life does get in the way too.

My camera battery's were dead or I would have some new pics up I will be back on it tomorrow. 
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Re: Major Rust surgery 70 Bird Trunk pan and more
« Reply #79 on: January 11, 2019, 11:49:58 PM »
Yes, life does!  Rotisserie?  I'm jealous!  And I love the early Formulas. 
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