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301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« on: August 10, 2013, 05:55:05 PM »
I was able to acquire the assistance of a local Vocational Technical school to craft a complete set of paper and electronic AUTOCAD drawings of the turbo light bar display.  The idea originated with Joe or JJR from the 301 Garage.  Apparently the cost of buying a used Turbo Display light bar was unreasonable.  In addition, practically every owner of a Turbo Trans Am (2nd Generation) with a turbo light bar display has experienced problems with cracking and delamination of the material. 

At this point, the AutoCAD drawings should be complete this Fall.  I have a picture of the prototypes that were started back in March 2013, just the face of it in order to compare sizing with the hood insert.  Email me if you want to see more pics, pinto@roadrunner.com.  The file size of the picture is too big to post here. 

Stay tuned.  Once the AutoCAD drawings are complete, I'll need to source some vendors that will consider small volume runs of this component.  There are some well known vendors that manufacture plastic parts locally that offered to review the drawings to suggest the next step. 

I hope this isn't a cost prohibitive process however, I'll leave that up to the members that wish to own a replacement unit.  I'll share the costs once I am able to learn more from potential manufacturers.   

Cheers!
Paul
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2013, 01:22:50 PM »
Wow , That sounds good...I need this light piece..mine is busted..let me know if you get a run of them.
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2013, 02:18:08 PM »
Dear Trevor:
Great.  Once I am able to obtain quotes from at least three vendors, I will have a better handle on the cost effectiveness of this design.  The AutoCAD 3D and electronic files to produce this component are not cheap.  The only way to offset this expense was to find a Vo-tech school willing to take on this challenge whereby reducing my direct costs. 

It's a fairly simple component and it was manufactured in two pieces.  I will be determining the different ways to manufacture this component, as one piece or separate pieces glued together like the original.
 
Based on past quotations (using only a sample Turbo Light Display), the plastic manufacturing houses were in the range of $500.00 per unit (with tooling costs factored into this cost).  By presenting a clean design, 3D files compatible with today's manufacturing equipment, I believe the end costs would be much less. 

Stay tuned...

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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2013, 09:02:48 PM »
I don't even own a Turbo Firebird, but would be down for having one of these.  A friend has a TTA.  And although his Original Light Bar is functioning fine presently, he would be glad to have a spare in his inventory.  Especially if these pieces are prone to eventually fail.

Please keep this thread updated with info.  Thanks.

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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 07:57:09 AM »
I have a .jpg picture of the prototype, the image is too large to post here.  Email me if you prefer to see the picture.

The Vo-tech school that is working on the project begins their session on September 3rd.  I should have more information on the prototype by mid to late September. 

There is obvious demand for this component.  Please understand it has taken about 16 months to get to this point.  I tried to obtain the original tooling from GM to make the process easier however, I was told the tooling was scrapped.  Hopefully the plastic molding vendors can communicate with the 3D prints and electronic AUTOCAD files to produce a quotation including the need for any tooling. 

If you look closely at the original turbo light bar display, it appears to have some type of adhesive.  We presumed it was a two piece unit.  I plan to quote this as a one piece unit, using improved materials to prevent the cracking issue so many have experienced. 

Stay Tuned..
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #4 on: August 20, 2013, 07:57:09 AM »

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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2013, 09:02:06 AM »
Hi Paul,

Can you please send me a pic?

81turboguy at gmail dot com

Thanks!
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2013, 01:15:27 PM »
81 Turbo Guy:
Email sent.  Please feel free to post the pic here, not sure how? 
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2013, 02:15:02 PM »
Thanks Paul.

Here is the pic. You need to host/upload it to another site like dropbox and then paste the link here with the image tags on either side.
Example


The blanks behind it are the prototype for the lightbar frame? Thanks!





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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2013, 05:26:28 PM »
Dear 81 Turbo Guy:
Thanks!  Yes, the blanks are stock plastic from the shop used to test the CAD drawing files.  We are getting closer, more work to do yet. 

I think we may end up making two separate pieces.  If you look closely at the original, it seems like it was glued together from two distinct pieces.  Not Sure?

The only advantage that we have is the Vo-tech school is connected with the local Fisher Price company.  It may help to locate one of their vendors that can quote and hopefully produce the unit. 

More to follow.

Paul
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2013, 07:52:19 AM »
Dear Tom:
I read your message at 301 Garage regarding the AUTOCAD files.  I am not sure how to handle the completed files?  Any thoughts or suggestions?

Paul
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2013, 09:28:11 AM »
The 3D rendering for manufacturing a replacement turbo light display is complete.  I am not sure how to post pictures here.  The file is a .bmp bit map file rendered in color.  A complete set of AutoCAD drawings for this component are complete.   

The next steps are tedious as we fit a printed 1:1 version to the hood insert.  Finally, it's off to potential vendors for quotations on producing this component. 

If anyone knows how to post pictures, email or PM me.

Stay tuned.
Paul
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2013, 05:53:50 PM »
This is exciting and I am definitely interested in getting once they are available. Good luck with finding an inexpensive vendor to produce.

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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #12 on: December 16, 2013, 07:50:20 AM »
Dear Danny Thomas:
Thank you.  I have a picture of the 3D rendering model in AutoCAD.  I am not sure how to post it here.  If you email me at pinto@roadrunner.com, I'll attach it. 

More to follow. 

Paul
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #13 on: February 25, 2014, 09:41:12 PM »
any progress on this?

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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #14 on: February 28, 2014, 05:46:05 AM »
Dear Danny:
Yes.  The CAD drawings are complete, the 1:1 print of the light bar display has been fitted to a hood insert, to help to determine tolerances.  I've met with several vendors for an RFQ, waiting on a response.  It's moving along, not as quickly as we all would like it to? 

Thoughts or suggestions?

Paul
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2014, 09:03:53 PM »
Hi guys, how are things coming along with the turbo lights?

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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2014, 09:58:55 PM »

 A seperate and second individual is close to selling a metal version that is not
meant to be factory exact, but will be sold in two versions, one having a pressure
sender to light the unit correctly.

 Joe
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2014, 01:23:45 PM »

 Please note: There are currently two Boost Monitor panel replacement projects.

 One is being approached as an exact reproduction, and this separate effort which
is meant to be functional and reasonably close.

 Hats off to both of these folks for their efforts in creating product for Turbo
Firebirds

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New product from TTA Performance.  This is a replacement boost monitor panel for the back of the hood scoop.  It is not an exact reproduction, but looks similar and is designed to function the same.  The panel is laser cut from 14ga steel.  There are three 12v LED lights for Normal, Medium and High.  The panel comes assembled and painted matte black with our reproduction vinyl lettering installed.

Currently this is being sold as the panel only and would require wiring to be performed by the customer.  Modifications to an original boost monitor wire harness would be required or a custom fabricated harness made.  If you are looking for a complete functioning panel with boost switches and wire harness, please contact us by PM or email at ttaperformance@gmail.com

Cost for the panel only is $40 plus shipping.





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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #18 on: October 13, 2014, 08:14:21 AM »
TTA80 is a great guy to deal with.  I have bought a few items from him and he is really easy to get along with and has vast knowledge of the turbo cars

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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2014, 06:16:56 PM »
The factory reproduction Turbo Boost Monitor has been making progress.  The manufacturing process will be 3D printing, utilizing the AutoCAD and 3D Modeling files produced to date.  The material selected is a military type plastic that can withstand 307 degrees F at 26psi. 

The plan is to produce these units in small lots sizes (no more than 5) in order to control costs.  The rear section and front three "amber" lens will be separate sections however, the vendor will epoxy these components in place.  The decals, thanks to TTA Performance, will be applied as well. 

If you are looking for a factory reproduction Turbo Boost display for your Turbo T/A, stay tuned. 

I can't take any credit for this "ongoing" and sometimes "horrible" project.  This project was the idea of Joe R. from the 301 Garage.  Joe initiated the concept of reproducing this component due to so many owners needing a replacement unit.  The traditional method of using tooling to produce a plastic component are a fact of yesterday.  The 3D printing method seems most reasonable, cost effective and controlled by design that I was able to research.  The problem has been material selection, operating temperature, design, vendors and, of course, cost. 

When the first few are off the line, it would be great to have some volunteers to test out the units with form, fit and function (at speeds under 100 please).   

Thoughts or suggestions, please share. 

Paul
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2015, 07:36:53 PM »
To date, we have discovered the following materials for a 3D Printing manufacturing process.  Based upon our non-disclosure agreement with the vendors and two private company donors, I can share the following.  The timeline is nearing for a prototype of five units. 

Materials:
PC - Polycarbonate; Used for Aerospace Applications with a temperature tolerance of 261 degrees F.

PC-ABS; widely used for production parts in the Auto and Medical Industries, with a lower temperature tolerance of 215 degrees F. 

TBD.  A material, process and manufacturer for the orange inserts, translucent, strong tensile strength with same temperature tolerance.  Need to acquire the decals, select hardware for mounting and design a box for shipping OE reproduction unit.   

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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #21 on: December 16, 2015, 08:41:55 PM »
 An OEM exact original replacement Turbo Boost "Turbo Charge" Display for your Pontiac Turbo Trans Am.

 Turbo Trans Am, Turbo Boost Display, designed and manufactured in the USA as an exact OEM replacement for your worn, broken or missing Turbo
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 Manufactured using 3D Printing Technology, from PC-ABS plastic, designed to withstand extreme engine temperatures, UV safe and functional translucent orange Turbo Boost display indicators.

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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2016, 04:59:58 PM »
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Re: 301 Turbo Display Light bar - Remanufactured
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