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« on: March 07, 2013, 03:21:45 AM »

I was flirting with the idea of getting a fully restored 77 SE Trans Am Y82 but i have to admit i'm in sticker shock on the price's i'm seeing what people want for them now. My last trans am was just under 9 years ago there price's have sharply gone up beyond what i thought they would. Pro shops are asking from 40-60k for a fully restored 77 SE Bandits which to be honest floors me.  My question to people who know this hobby well what can one realistically get a turn key 77 Bandit Trans am for these days if one is willing to wait.   
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2013, 05:20:19 AM »

You are looking for one of the most sought after year and model T/A, realistically in todays market, look to spend around $20,000 to $25,000 for a good show/driver car. Add about $5000 for an original low mileage car. Add about another $5000 for a factory 4 speed car. Understand that the pro-shops aren,t too far off, but they are asking Barret Jackson prices for their cars, they have to show a profit. From time to time you have some float through here for sale.
The prices I quoted of course are for this area, and not including overseas prices.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2013, 10:52:20 AM »

77 78 SE Bandit cars are bringing ridicules money now, over seas customers are grabbing a lot of them up. Low milage original cars can sell in $60K+ range. I just heard of a 2000 mile car that sold for over 90K.
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« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2013, 11:09:05 AM »

If the price for a real SE is more than your comfortable with why not buy a clone? The only reason I can see getting a real one is the value of it being a real one...and you have to pay for that added value.
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2013, 12:44:02 PM »

Welcome to TAC!  You probably already knew it, but paying to have one restored costs a lot.  I would expect a shop to charge $60K. If you charge somebody $60 an hour for 1000 hours, it comes to that.  You'll probably want to avoid buying that way.
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2013, 05:31:13 PM »

I have been hunting for a year now,a nice quality car starts at 40+k...............to infinity.
We decided against a clone,because for nice low mile 4 spd t-top survivor(under 40k miles) you will spend close to a 40k mile survivor SE 4spd with tops cloning it.....CORRECTLY...forget a 78 WS6 SE 4spd,unless Bill Gates is your dad.........
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2013, 06:26:13 PM »

If the price for a real SE is more than your comfortable with why not buy a clone? The only reason I can see getting a real one is the value of it being a real one...and you have to pay for that added value.

I agree, I just bought an original black on black 78 T/A with 53,000 miles.  The car is absolutely rust free and very nice.  I didn't pay anywhere near the figures you have mentioned.  However I do like to drive my cars and enjoy them.  That would be a little tough to do after dropping $40k to $60k for the real deal.
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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2013, 09:53:49 PM »

whats funny here is people state they would feel scared to drive a 40-60k vintage cars and future investment values yet you see 60k+ diesel trucks, SUV's one the road every day that loose 20% the day you drive it off the lot.    just saying... Confused
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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2013, 10:13:06 PM »

A couple yrs ago in the deep dark depths of the resession prices were more agreeable.

I agree with others, cheaper to buy/make a clone. Or other lower-priced examples:

http://madison.craigslist.org/ctd/3645533388.html
http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/3655292130.html
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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2013, 10:17:39 PM »

 Razz  If only it didn't cost so much to bring them back to life
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2013, 10:19:52 PM »

A couple yrs ago in the deep dark depths of the resession prices were more agreeable.

I agree with others, cheaper to buy/make a clone. Or other lower-priced examples:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/sox/cto/3655292130.html

That's an old clone. Not a real SE. It's crap like this that makes it dangerous when searching for an SE
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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2013, 10:29:15 PM »

Also, if you expand your range to a 1979, there are a lot more available, and for less. Same basic machine, slightly different look (you could change the front end on it to a 77-78 too if you wanted)

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« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2013, 03:17:12 AM »

 I remember when people started asking 25k for one i thought that was crazy money for a second generation.  Its hard to believe that car is 36 years old now.  I had my chance's back in the 80's early 90's to get a 77 bandit for 5k but decided to pass at the time. I kept my rims i used to put on my trans am back in the 80's that i have been dragging around for over 20 years now.  Anyone remember these style with the turbo lasers from Canadian tire?

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« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2013, 08:48:24 AM »

Relative to other editions/ roundport cars, SE's are not what I call rare. Highly desirable, Yes, Rare , no. there are some with low numbers (81 305 4spd...1 of 5 or so) but for the 77 -79 units, there are quite a few out there.

Being only an appearance package, the SE premium doesnt appeal to myself. Rather take a regular t/a and make it look like one.  OTOH, I am not much of a stock guy and enjoy tastefully modifying my cars to suit my driving taste.
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« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2013, 09:35:03 AM »

don't think i could spend 20-40K for a stripe kit and gold tinted accents over a fully non SE restored car or low mile original. 

i would assume if you spend that much for a true SE that it is an investment and will need to be treated as such.  lightly driven, pampered, not able to modify, basically a bank account and award getter.

i would buy a black car and spend 500-1000 cloning it and drive it and have a great time with it. 

flordia ta always has nice real SE's.  i have watched the prices going up for years, they are really getting high now.  smokey and the bandit keeps driving the prices up.
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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2013, 09:57:00 AM »

All very good questions.  I have seen a few for $50k, but I never thought of that as being "the market".  Maybe the market is going to prove me wrong.  I guess we'll see.  In muscle car circles, you would not normally expect an appearance package to do much.  As much as I hate to say so, I am very sure that 100% of that value is the "Smokey and the Bandit" effect. 
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« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2013, 10:00:18 AM »

whats funny here is people state they would feel scared to drive a 40-60k vintage cars and future investment values yet you see 60k+ diesel trucks, SUV's one the road every day that loose 20% the day you drive it off the lot.    just saying... Confused

I enjoy observing financial evaluations like this too.  I think it's because when you burn money, there's no risk.  It's a sure thing.   Laughing Laughing 
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2013, 10:29:34 AM »

I have a real SE you guys could buy and restore. It's a 4spd too. PHS documented

Here's the link

http://www.78ta.com/HTAF/index.php?topic=39871.msg412973#msg412973
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2013, 11:55:39 AM »

You can expect to pay upwards of $40k for a decent SE these days.  A nice driver can probably be had for under $20k though.  If you open up to the '76, '78 and '79 SE's you have a much better chance of finding a nice one at a decent price.  

IMO, the SE package was probably the nicest looking Trans Am ever built.  Maybe I'm biased from growing up on S&TB, but a black TA with gold trim, especially with T-tops just looks awesome.  I like them best in this order, '78 WS6 SE, '77 SE, '76 SE, '79 SE, then the '80 and '81 turbo SEs.  Granted they all look really good and I'd be happy to have any of them.  I'm still kicking myself for selling my '77 TA.  It was an original starlight black car with the SE stripe kit added.  

If you want something you can drive and enjoy, then an SE clone is probably the way to go.  You can have the exact same look without the price.  From a performance standpoint the SE didn't add anything you couldn't get on a regular TA.  But if you just have to have the real thing, then you're going to pay a bit more for it.  

I never quite understood the tremendous price gap for what amounted to an appearance package, but then again, that's all the Pace Car and anniversary edition TA's were for the most part too, except the '89 Turbo TA, which offered the Buick 3.8 turbo engine which wasn't available on any other TA.  

Here's a gorgeous '78, but it ain't cheap either.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/3638369674.html
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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2013, 02:19:58 PM »

Just to give you guys an idea what price's im seeing here is one in Canada from a very respected and popular place people buy classic cars from. I almost fell off my chair when i seen this price.  Looks like lots of more overtime for me before getting this car.  Sad


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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2013, 02:25:31 PM »



Here's a gorgeous '78, but it ain't cheap either.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/3638369674.html
Just a note...

The ad lists the 1978 Trans am as a w-72.  I'm not seeing anything that says that is a W72 motor.
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No chrome valve covers
wrong call outs on shaker (common)
PHS only lists 400 4bbl and nothing about w-72

Am I wrong??
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Here's a gorgeous '78, but it ain't cheap either.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/3638369674.html
Just a note...

The ad lists the 1978 Trans am as a w-72.  I'm not seeing anything that says that is a W72 motor.


Doesn't have chrome valve covers either. Plus the shaker says 6.6 Litre. So it all points to a NON-W72
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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2013, 02:32:52 PM »

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The ad lists the 1978 Trans am as a w-72.  I'm not seeing anything that says that is a W72 motor.

I caught that too, and forgot to post it.
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2013, 03:12:11 PM »

Unless lack of t-tops is a deal breaker to you, I'd just buy a clone. A lot less expense and less worry about anything happening to it.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pontiac-Trans-Am-DELUXE-1978-TRANS-AM-4-SPEED-47-509-MILES-CLONED-BANDIT-EXC-COND-/121071695896?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item1c306f7818
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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2013, 03:22:19 PM »



Here's a gorgeous '78, but it ain't cheap either.

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/3638369674.html
Just a note...

The ad lists the 1978 Trans am as a w-72.  I'm not seeing anything that says that is a W72 motor.
EG:

No chrome valve covers
wrong call outs on shaker (common)
PHS only lists 400 4bbl and nothing about w-72

Am I wrong??


Based on the window sticker (I assume from PHS), it was not a W72.  In 1978, WS6 and W72 can be lumped togther on the invoice, but it's not a WS6 either.  
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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2013, 03:25:30 PM »

While we're on the subject, that craigslist car is also not restored, nor a show-quality survivor, I wouldn't think.  It's a driver.  I may be a little behind the times, but that is certainly not a $40,000 car, by a long shot.
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« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2013, 03:29:50 PM »

I looked for years and couldn't find so much as an SE clone . I wanted to make the Marty into an SE clone as the protcal that I want is a black on black one ,but I haven't had the heart to do a color change as the Marty's are a one year color. If there's one hing  I love its that gold dash bezel on a black dash , just looks so sharp
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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2013, 03:39:41 PM »

I looked for years and couldn't find so much as an SE clone . I wanted to make the Marty into an SE clone as the protcal that I want is a black on black one ,but I haven't had the heart to do a color change as the Marty's are a one year color. If there's one hing  I love its that gold dash bezel on a black dash , just looks so sharp

Just buy a 1977 SE. I can hook you up with one
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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2013, 03:44:11 PM »

I have a 1977 SE Y82 for sale. It has matching numbers w72 motor 4 spd. I'd sell it for $7,500. Runs and drives. PHS documented
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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2013, 04:09:41 PM »

That is why I created my own SE clone out of an 1981 TTA.  It is black on black, highly optioned car with T-tops.  It has the 81 decal package with a shaker hood.  Now more than that, I put in a 1971 Pontiac 455 bored .30 over with a nice amount of aftermarket internals to include forged rods, pistons and melanite coated stainless steel Manley jetted valves.  It had a full 3 inch x piped exhaust with larger aftermarket splitter and a TH400 behind that torque monster which produces just over 400 horsepower and near 500 ft lbs of torque according to machinist (not dyno tested yet so approximate).  It has all new black interior with all of the SE badges and dash.  It is just drop dead gorgeous and I drive it and take it to shows usually winning some award.  I have been recently considering selling it and have been researching the market on this car.  It is insured on an agreed upon value through Infinity insurance for 22,600. and I suspect with would go for somewhere around 20,000 one way or the other. 

Now I say this to say that the joys and pleasures of a very clean driver show car are not diminished in a clone like this and it is a third to a half of a true SE.  I will try to attach some pictures but it is in my avatar.







This last one, I one second only to a Lucerne blue full nut and bolt restoration 1970 RAIII 4spd car and I also won the Hard luck award for getting pulled over by Washington State Patrol because of my bandit plate being on six months before I could run without a front Washington plate.  No one else had a bad story.

Just giving you an example that is realistic.

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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2013, 04:48:40 PM »

Gorgeous car Greg!  

Just for another clone example, here was my '77 TA.  Granted, no t-tops and not a full SE clone, but had a gorgeous black paintjob and SE decals with gold snowflakes.  Plus had a very strong running 400 under the hood with high comp heads and a RAIV cam, plus 4.10 gears out back.  Lots of fun!  BTW I picked it up for $8,900 looking just like it does about 4 years ago and sold it about 2 years ago for $12K.  I think you could find one like it easily for less than $15k or so.



I think the interior needed more red Wink

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« Reply #31 on: March 09, 2013, 01:13:30 AM »

Gorgeous car Greg!  

Just for another clone example, here was my '77 TA.  Granted, no t-tops and not a full SE clone, but had a gorgeous black paintjob and SE decals with gold snowflakes.  Plus had a very strong running 400 under the hood with high comp heads and a RAIV cam, plus 4.10 gears out back.  Lots of fun!  BTW I picked it up for $8,900 looking just like it does about 4 years ago and sold it about 2 years ago for $12K.  I think you could find one like it easily for less than $15k or so.



I think the interior needed more red Wink





Stunning cars really thanks for sharing.  I really enjoy the pictures of the clones of the SE they look fantastic.  I'm 90% certain now cloning will be the direction i will go if i do get another second generation trans am. If i had 50k tied up in a original i would be too paranoid taking it out getting ruined which would be no fun at all.  
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« Reply #32 on: March 09, 2013, 08:00:44 AM »

I'd buy a black one and S/E it or get a done clone.  theres very little mechanically/performance about a "real" Bandit car thats unattainable, let's face it, our late 70s cars werent fast like the early big blocks.  These cars are too pricey to me, especially if they are full restos that included full rotted sheetmetal replacement.  A re painted original bodied survivor car would be cool enough for me.  To each their own.
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« Reply #33 on: March 09, 2013, 09:53:04 AM »

I looked for years and couldn't find so much as an SE clone . I wanted to make the Marty into an SE clone as the protcal that I want is a black on black one ,but I haven't had the heart to do a color change as the Marty's are a one year color. If there's one hing  I love its that gold dash bezel on a black dash , just looks so sharp
DONT EVER change the color of that car!........Marty Blue is one of my favorites,.........it is very well respected by TA lovers.
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« Reply #34 on: March 09, 2013, 02:53:42 PM »

Last summer there was a real #'s matching '77 SE for sale where I live...it had new professionally done paint and decals, interior was ok but needed restored, and was basically mechanically sound for an 80K mile vehicle. 403, auto.  He was asking 12K, and he sat on it for quite a while before it sold....
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« Reply #35 on: March 09, 2013, 03:24:22 PM »

Pictures are upside down.....but looks to be a decent deal...


http://orlando.craigslist.org/ctd/3651792575.html

You can always change the tail panel and rear bumper to '77

Or this one (I actually looked at this one BEFORE this guy bought it....it was listed for $2500 then and was sitting in the original owners back yard under a tarp...this guy got there with the money first.. Mad )

http://daytona.craigslist.org/cto/3550186649.html
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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2013, 04:01:07 PM »

I looked for years and couldn't find so much as an SE clone . I wanted to make the Marty into an SE clone as the protcal that I want is a black on black one ,but I haven't had the heart to do a color change as the Marty's are a one year color. If there's one hing  I love its that gold dash bezel on a black dash , just looks so sharp
DONT EVER change the color of that car!........Marty Blue is one of my favorites,.........it is very well respected by TA lovers.
lol ya I've been told numerous times 
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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2013, 08:01:13 PM »

Last summer there was a real #'s matching '77 SE for sale where I live...it had new professionally done paint and decals, interior was ok but needed restored, and was basically mechanically sound for an 80K mile vehicle. 403, auto.  He was asking 12K, and he sat on it for quite a while before it sold....


403, auto. is why
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« Reply #38 on: March 10, 2013, 09:54:53 AM »

Last summer there was a real #'s matching '77 SE for sale where I live...it had new professionally done paint and decals, interior was ok but needed restored, and was basically mechanically sound for an 80K mile vehicle. 403, auto.  He was asking 12K, and he sat on it for quite a while before it sold....


403, auto. is why

Agreed...that and the rough interior. Overall it was in good condition, ran and drove well, and a real SE nonetheless...
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« Reply #39 on: March 10, 2013, 11:18:27 AM »

What got me excited about muscle cars again was the 2010 Camaro. I bought one while i did like it what i really wanted was a trans am. After 2 years i sold the Camaro as the trans am really is my passion.  If i'm going to spend 30-40k it would be really tempting to buy a new concept trans am like the ZTA.  Really love the look of this car. Having both the ZTA and a 77 SE in my garage now that would be amazing.  Kevin Morgans concept is nice as well but I like the ZTA a little better.  





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