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« on: July 25, 2012, 05:23:08 AM »

does any one know if Alanflies is from michigan there was a bad trans am wreck found out on PY  This showed up on mlive.com Grand Rapids,Mi. Three year restoration just completed. Guy swerved to avoid another car and dump truck got him. No one was seriously hurt.
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2012, 05:27:22 AM »

No pics, Conrad....
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2012, 05:28:30 AM »

Copied it from PY 77-81 section not sure how to do the pics.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2012, 05:33:09 AM »

OK, found it......thats bad. Glad it didn't get to the drivers seat, and there was no one else in the car. Sounds like another driver casued the crash, not the truckdriver or T/A driver's fault.
Sad.

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http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2012/07/two_hurt_in_comstock_park_cras.html
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2012, 05:40:05 AM »

Thanks for posting the article Leigh.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2012, 05:43:16 AM »

Wow...That is crazy!  Shocked I hope everyone is ok! Such a shame about the TA though...not much to be salvaged from that.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2012, 06:01:22 AM »

Glad no one was seriously injured. How they figure that is an 83'? Car sure does look like I've seen it here before.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2012, 06:22:11 AM »

That car appears to have been a hardtop, and I think Alanflies car had t-tops.

Glad everyone is going to be ok.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2012, 06:38:42 AM »

Alan lives by me.  South of the Mason-Dixon  Razz

1983 Trans Am????  Yeah- right.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2012, 06:56:36 AM »

thats good it not alan but not sure who it is. it was a three year resto.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2012, 07:24:58 AM »

That is bad, but good that no one was hurt. How could they say it is an 83? Especially since they interviewed the owner…
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2012, 07:32:52 AM »

I'm betting that outcome may have been different for the driver had it been a ttop car.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2012, 08:25:10 AM »

Ouch. Thank God there was no passengers, Hopefully he had good replacement insurance.
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« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2012, 08:39:29 AM »

what ashame!!!  Glad no one was seriously hurt...wait...the Trans Am was fatally injured Sad  appears to be a 79 auto car from what I can get from the pics
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2012, 10:07:52 AM »

Wow so glad everyone is ok.  Just went to an accident the other day where a drunk driver hit a row of cars at 50MPH and killed his passenger.  Too bad about the trans am, I wonder if the driver would have been better off hitting the car the pulled out in front of him.  
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2012, 10:15:16 AM »

glad everyone is ok and it sucks about the TA. We just had a bad accident here in front of my Apt complex. a lexus pulled out in front of a motorcycle and unfortunately the rider was fatally injured!
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« Reply #16 on: July 25, 2012, 11:39:32 AM »

If that was my T/A, and the accident didn't kill the other driver, I WOULD have!
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« Reply #17 on: July 25, 2012, 12:11:27 PM »

So happy they survived that terrible crash, proves the media doesn't check their facts. Probably someone standing around said 83, and that was written into the story.
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« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2012, 01:12:06 PM »

If that was my T/A, and the accident didn't kill the other driver, I WOULD have!

'Cause you never ever made a mistake on the road in your life, right?  Wink

I wasn't there, I can't say whether the act was intentional or not, but it's just a car and in the end he's lucky the car took a bullet for him.

An interesting point was brought up regarding T-tops. I wonder indeed whether the outcome would have been different with T-tops... I know 4th gens are intrinsically "t-tops" whether you have them installed or not (cut off the roof skin on one and you'll see what I mean) but I have no idea what this does to the crash-worthiness of my 3rd gen w/ having t-tops. I certainly DO feel crazy flex if I stick my finger in the gap between the a-pillar and the t-top edge trim as I drive! Surprised
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« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2012, 01:34:07 PM »

1st off, I agree with those that the fact the owner survived is the most important facet of the story.  There are 109,844 other '79 T/A's out there.  Sickening that it happened, but the guy should buy a lottery ticket.

I got thinking about that Subaru commercial where the guy goes back to the junkyard to see his totalled car one last time while reflecting on what could have happened if the car weren't as safe.  I guess I would want to buy back the wrecked car and salvage what I could, but then is it like the lifeboat deal where they have to be destroyed...?

Is reusing the drivetrain from your otherwise totalled car bad karma...?  Hope I never get to find out... Sad
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« Reply #20 on: July 25, 2012, 01:46:23 PM »

whew...im glad everyone is o.k.

nope, it wasn't me and I'm happy to see that yall still love me... Cool   
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« Reply #21 on: July 25, 2012, 01:59:48 PM »

Is reusing the drivetrain from your otherwise totalled car bad karma...?  Hope I never get to find out... Sad

Doubt it. But I'd probably treat the wreck as I would a helmet... it did its job, but it might not be as structurally sound as it was before the crash and maybe wouldn't be able to do it as well as second time. I too hope to never be in that situation.
(I suppose the F-body type of structure would probably make it more feasible to repair a front end impact? However, with something as body-mangling as the rear/side impact in this particular accident, I doubt it would ever be "right" again.)

But it is interesting how I default to picking the F-car structure apart in my mind and imagining what could possibly be brought back to roadworthy and safe state whereas imagining a wreck in my Daytona I'd probably want to move on to another car. A testament to the F-body construction mechanism or simply an obsession of mine with this body style?
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« Reply #22 on: July 25, 2012, 02:33:57 PM »

Is reusing the drivetrain from your otherwise totalled car bad karma...?  Hope I never get to find out... Sad
Doubt it. But I'd probably treat the wreck as I would a helmet... it did its job, but it might not be as structurally sound as it was before the crash and maybe wouldn't be able to do it as well as second time. I too hope to never be in that situation.
(I suppose the F-body type of structure would probably make it more feasible to repair a front end impact? However, with something as body-mangling as the rear/side impact in this particular accident, I doubt it would ever be "right" again.)

No, the body shell is toast, but the RH wheels look OK so I assume drivetrain is probably OK.  So, just from a practicality standpoint, you get a $20-somethingK check for the car, minus a few hundred to buy the wreck back, salvage the engine, transmission, rearend, wheels and some options, gauges, stereo, etc. and use them to rebuild another restorable '79 (projects ranging from $500 to $10K), I figure with nice paint and interior, you might break even or come out a bit ahead if you're able to do most of the work... 
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« Reply #23 on: July 25, 2012, 03:01:35 PM »

If that was my T/A, and the accident didn't kill the other driver, I WOULD have!

'Cause you never ever made a mistake on the road in your life, right?  Wink

I wasn't there, I can't say whether the act was intentional or not, but it's just a car and in the end he's lucky the car took a bullet for him.

An interesting point was brought up regarding T-tops. I wonder indeed whether the outcome would have been different with T-tops... I know 4th gens are intrinsically "t-tops" whether you have them installed or not (cut off the roof skin on one and you'll see what I mean) but I have no idea what this does to the crash-worthiness of my 3rd gen w/ having t-tops. I certainly DO feel crazy flex if I stick my finger in the gap between the a-pillar and the t-top edge trim as I drive! Surprised
Yeah,but it should have been a Suburu WRX instead..............just sayin Wink
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« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2012, 05:36:39 PM »

Well I gotta say it....

That'll buff right out!

Very spooky for me.... the car looks a lot like mine.
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« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2012, 06:27:16 PM »

very lucky he was not carrying a kid or anything. god bless
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2012, 12:04:51 PM »

If that was my T/A, and the accident didn't kill the other driver, I WOULD have!

'Cause you never ever made a mistake on the road in your life, right?  Wink



Sure I have.  Never in a NON-EXPENDABLE car like a T/A, though. 
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2012, 01:53:22 PM »

Wow, amazing no one was seriously injured.  Glad they are all ok.  A shame to see that happen to a beautiful car, but as long as everyone is able to walk away it doesn't matter.  A car can always be replaced.
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« Reply #28 on: July 26, 2012, 03:08:29 PM »

wow.  that's a bad day.  Glad no one was hurt, that's the only good thign about this. I hope they were able to ID the car that forced the TA into the truck.

Amazing that no one bothered to see what an 83 TA looked like before they ran the story.  one quick google search would do the trick.
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« Reply #29 on: July 26, 2012, 03:33:15 PM »

Oh boy that's a big punch........
Thank god he was in a TA with some metal around it....
Instead of a rice burner.......
Lucky to be alive but he would be totally devastated about his pride and joy.....
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« Reply #30 on: September 07, 2012, 02:37:08 PM »

Well i am the guy that was in the wreck someone told me there was some discussion going online I was surprised to see how far this news has traveled, alot of curiosty from this post made me join and respond, Heres what happened first hand:

Me and my wife where going to car show that evening (Tuesday 7/24) I kept the car in my warehouse at work (just completed restoration August 2011)and decided since we were taking it out that evening i would vacuum it and fill the tank both just around the corner from where I work at lunch break i just left subway to get a sandwich and was heading to the gas station this is at about 1 p.m. (my wife wasn't with me yet she was to join me at 5 p.m.) I was heading east bound on west river drive i noticed a pick up truck in the left hand turn lane only because it's an illegal left but the guy was sitting there and wasn't moving yet upon getting closer like 20 feet the pick up driver started to make the turn i was shocked it was like he couldn't see me i had little time to react so i hit my brakes hoping the guy would try and complete the turn and i could get around him that didn't happen the guy stopped blocking every possible exit i had the worst thing he could of done I was only going 45 which is the speed limit but with 20 feet there was no time to think let alone stop that quick i ended up hitting the pick uptruck driver who was sitting at a 45 degree angle that kicked me into oncoming traffic where of all things a dump truck was bareling down on me I wish i could say he was going 45 but it looked like about 55 mph I thought it was over there was nothing i could do and did not think i would survive it the dump truck T-Boned me but due to the angle and alot of luck the dump truck rolled over the back of the car instead of over me There was lots of things flying in the car and it was unreal that nothing hit or punctured me or worse. the kicker of the whole thing is the guy in the pick up truck had been drinking and just caused his second alcohol related crash in a month. I had alot of bruising and am still sore on right side ribs this many weeks later lacerations and lots of glass and cuts all overand i was happy to come out in that good of shape. Yes i was very distraught about the car when you have that much love and labor into anything it hurts when someone who apparently has no regard for others takes it away in the blink of an eye..
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« Reply #31 on: September 07, 2012, 02:42:38 PM »

Wow, I for one am glad you walked away.  Hopefully someday soon you can get another TA.
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« Reply #32 on: September 07, 2012, 02:50:09 PM »

Thank God you are ok and that your wife was not with you! Shocked I feel sick about your other love though. may it rest in piece. Perhaps it will be an organ donor and live on in someone elses project. Any plans for another one?
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« Reply #33 on: September 07, 2012, 02:58:30 PM »

To answer some of the other posts I did have guarantied Value coverage and I did get the car back for $50.00 I parted the car out the drivetrain was still great as it was all just rebuilt and and had less than 3000 miles to that point, the car was a 1980 done up like a 1979 it was an orig 19 code car inside and out and WS6 with four wheel disc A/C pwr windows, locks and trunk release in glove box I was glad it wasn't a T-Top car that day or i am sure my fate would of been different, I think i know how they got the date wrong a friend of mine happened be near and was on scene he also helped me a few evening as he enjoys this stuff too and told them it was a 1980 that took three years to restore and we figure they somehow came away thinking someone said 1983??? strange i guess he wasn't listeneing. The car and the grace of god both protected me in this instance and of course good ole American Steel my other car i a rice burner a Honda (daily driver) and I am sure i wouldn't have survived in that . I have since purchased a 1978 Trans Am W72 WS6 L78 Auto with a Pontiac 400 and a TH350 matching numbers and another 19 code car inside and out I have a ways to go on this one to get it back where the other one was but i am excited just to be here to have the opportunity to build another and continue on with my life, My 80 Trans Am i got every good part on it off and beleive it or not there where still alot of good things especialy under the hood, Last nite i watched it get trailored off by a classic car restoration shop who wanted the drivers door and quarter, front flares and some of the floor pan as the car spent it's life in Georgia before i purchased an it and brought it up here and was rust free I am happy it will still live on in it's parts and that someone is going to use as much of it as they can on there 1979 Y84 Restore.
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« Reply #34 on: September 07, 2012, 03:04:14 PM »

Well I guess if it had to die at least the parts are helping another TA live.

Like everyone said, just glad you and yours are OK.
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« Reply #35 on: September 07, 2012, 03:04:50 PM »

I appreciate that Usafaux102 & Mr. Bandit.. I got another one recently cause once a Trans Am guy always a Trans Am guy as you both know and i wouldn't have it any other way... Wink Some of the details of my new car are on my last post.. Thank you for everyone's kind words and concern another reason i was sure i wanted to join this site and forum..

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« Reply #36 on: September 07, 2012, 05:05:19 PM »

Welcome to TAC! Glad you're OK and got another TA.
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« Reply #37 on: September 07, 2012, 05:19:32 PM »

i like your style, less than six weeks to acquire another TA.  I'd still be in morning.  Glad you are okay.
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« Reply #38 on: September 07, 2012, 08:08:19 PM »

Scotty thanks for "the rest of the story".  I glad you weren't hurt to badly and that your back in the TA game.  I hope you got everything you put into the first one + a bunch.  Best of luck with the 78 and we love pictures here!
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« Reply #39 on: September 07, 2012, 09:28:22 PM »

Welcome Scotty, and "better luck" with your next project. Thanx for sharing your side of the story.
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