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« on: November 19, 2009, 12:45:24 PM »

I am trying to find out why everyone is saying that RRE is a bad shop to go to.  Bruce Fulper's website looks very legit and to the point with a ton of information about Pontiac engines rather than just a bunch of parts and pictures.  Are a lot of the reviews and comments based upon biased uneducated opinion rather than first hand educated knowledge?  I'm not looking for "i heard about this guy from some other guy" comments.  Are his engines bad?
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« Reply #1 on: November 19, 2009, 12:57:12 PM »

There are two sides to every story.  If you want to get a hint of the other side, you should check out Tom Demauro's comments at this link:

http://forums.highperformancepontiac.com/70/7772576/the-general-discussion/what-happened-to-bruce-fulper/index.html

Tom is editor of High Performance Pontiac magazine.  If anyone has visiblity into the hobby, it would be the folks at HPP.  Tom's words speak for themselves.

I'd also point out that a successful business venture depends on more than a good-looking website, and any business's reputation is based on the collective experience of ALL of their customers.  The owner's attitudes have a great deal to do with customer satisfaction.
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« Reply #2 on: November 19, 2009, 01:19:34 PM »

Do some google searching and look in on some of the other Pontiac boards. You'll find the information you seek.
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« Reply #3 on: November 19, 2009, 05:19:18 PM »

I bought my whole top end from R&R Eng. I paid him before I had learned about how much the Pontiac community loathed Bruce. I feared that I would never get what I paid for. I called all the time. Sometimes getting Bruce, sometimes getting a part time secretary, and sometime an answering machine. Bruce always answered my technical questions and was very helpful. The downside was that I waited A LONG TIME to get all my stuff. But, I did get everything I paid for. There were excuses for the delays every time I called. After about 4 months, the first parts started to roll in. After about 8 months I had everything.

The ported E-Heads were a thing of beauty! After reading the horror stories I wanted to be sure that Bruce wasn't a hack. I brought them to a Pontiac enlightened builder, will not be named, and was told that the heads were very well done with high quality parts and porting. There was one pushrod hole exposed during the porting , but it was properly sleeved. Bruce also had a HR cam spec'd out for my combo and the builder confirmed it was a great choice for what I was looking to do with my car.


All the other parts were all just off the shelf stuff (carb, serpentine kit, etc) and Bruce sold them to me for a fair price. I think that Bruce has the knowledge and skill to be a great engine builder. He didn't screw me but there are way too many people who claim he burned them to ignore. If only a fraction of the stories are true, it's one too many. I think the problem may be that Bruce simply has no people skills. He comes off as an arrogant jerk to most people. Some people are just like that. You know what I mean, we've all met them, right? While he didn't rip me off, and ultimately gave me everything I paid for, it was obvious that he was dragging his heels and making excuses along the way. The bottom line is, that's no way to run a business.

Would I use him again? Probably not. Not because of the quality of his work, but because I'll never put myself through an 8 month ordeal like that again. Would I recommend him to others? When there are so many other vendors and builders out there that have similar or superior knowledge, but without all the extra baggage, I don't think I can. That's as honest response as I can give.
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« Reply #4 on: November 19, 2009, 06:42:42 PM »

Hey John, what exactly did you get done to your motor?  How satisfied are you with the power you're making?  You have that W72 block all done up right?
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« Reply #5 on: November 19, 2009, 08:44:19 PM »

My bottom end is an all stock rebuild of a W72, .030" over 400 block. When I had it rebuilt I was using #13 heads. Needless to say, with the tiny little cam I had it was suffering severe detonation due to the CR. I talked to Bruce and was educated about the fact that I needed to get my CR lowered if I was going to use iron heads, or I could get some aluminum heads, change the cam and make some good street able power with my stock bottom end. I just wanted to drive the car after a very long restoration. I'll be able to use these E-heads when I finally get my butt in gear and complete my stroker project.

This low compression, E-headed, HR cammed 400 makes 320hp and 390 lb/ft or torque to the rear wheels. More than enough for me to have some fun while I build my 500+hp 461 stroker torque monster! My drive train (TKO-600 and Moser 12 bolt with 33 spline axles and 3.73 gears) is ready to take the abuse, LOL!

Here's a small example of what she's capable of.

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2009, 01:00:41 AM »

So my guess is your car is the one on ptfb's site with the competition setup?  Is that the keisler 5 speed as well?  How does it ride on the road?  Your setup is basically what I have planned with my 79 Trans Am (Silver with Red interior). 
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« Reply #7 on: November 20, 2009, 04:42:14 PM »

Yup, that's my girl, LOL! Yes again, to the Tremec TKO-600 5 speed trans that I got from Kiesler. Of all the mods I've done to my car, the single best bang for the buck was the 5-speed OD transmission. It turned my car into a completely different car. 2.87 1st gear with the 3.73 rear gears and I'm haulin' the mail! The .64 OD let me cruise on the highway at 85mph at ~2400 rpm. Best of both worlds.

This car handles like it's on a rail with the Comp Kit, tubular upper and lower controls arms, welded tublar subframe connectors, solid body bushings, sway bar brace, G-bar braces, HD rear sway bar drop links, and PTFB's shocks. The ride is firm but not harsh. Remember the handling characteristics of a car are dictated by the front suspension, to a major degree. The ride feel is dictated by the rear suspension. I've got the shocks set right where Dave told me to and I've found no need to change them. This thing can pull so many more lateral G's than it used to be able to, I now have to get a road race oil pan because I can too easily expose the oil pump pickup on high speed turns.
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« Reply #8 on: November 20, 2009, 11:08:36 PM »

I've got a Canton Road Race pan for my 455 going into my 71 project, but now I'm even thinking about adding an Accusump as well. I'm concerned about oil pickup on long sweeping hi speed corners......
My friend just got his TKO-600 up and running in his 68 Firebird (428 RAIV cam etc)....he loves it, transformed the car he says.
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« Reply #9 on: January 12, 2010, 02:38:23 AM »

There are two sides to every story.  If you want to get a hint of the other side, you should check out Tom Demauro's comments at this link:

http://forums.highperformancepontiac.com/70/7772576/the-general-discussion/what-happened-to-bruce-fulper/index.html

Tom is editor of High Performance Pontiac magazine.  If anyone has visiblity into the hobby, it would be the folks at HPP.  Tom's words speak for themselves.

I'd also point out that a successful business venture depends on more than a good-looking website, and any business's reputation is based on the collective experience of ALL of their customers.  The owner's attitudes have a great deal to do with customer satisfaction.

I'm not trying to be rude but what do you mean by "visibility into the hobby" ?  Not to be a spokesperson for Bruce Fulper, but shouldn't he also have good insight because of the fact that he did work for HPP and  produced innovative and modern tech articles at the time of his presence there?  Obviously HPP's staff wouldn't have anything good to say now because everything is after the fact.  I've done a lot of reading on his website and, for me, it's hard to argue with what he has to say because everything just seems so straightforward.  Once again Rick, I'm not trying to be rude or anything.  I have never dealt with him personally so it's hard for me to decide whether or not to use RRE because I'm trying to seperate fact from fiction/opinion on Bruce.  To be honest, I am leaning towards the use RRE (Bruce) for my build after looking at everything as of the moment.  Let me know, Jon
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« Reply #10 on: January 12, 2010, 06:55:00 AM »

BP has had just way too much history with people who simply didn't get what they paid for, or didn't get it when told they would, for me to ever trust my hard earned $ with on a build, or even to supply parts.
I have a fellow clubmember that has a R&R supplied engine in a 69 Firebird he bought....lots of receipts for big $, yet the engine is barely any more powerful than a stock engine....now he didn't pay to have this engine done, so he's not too bent out of shape...but for all the work and dollars spent its not very impressive, nor a very good advertisement for engine building skills.

Do a google search on the subject and I'm sure you'll find first hand accounts of peoples issues.

If you're in LA and looking for a parts supplier and or builder, try Ken Brewer at Pacific Performance Racing in San Pedro.
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« Reply #11 on: January 12, 2010, 08:14:11 AM »

Jon,

You obviously either know the guy or have some other agenda with respect to that operation. This forum is a pretty open minded group of knowledgeble people. How bout just saying whats really on your mind and see where it goes from there....might make more progress.

Just a thought

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« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2010, 09:12:08 AM »

I read the thread where Bruce and Tom replied, respectfully. Now, that being said, what ever issues happened over there, STAY over there! TAC does not, and has not tolerated dragging issues in here from other websites looking for new people to play it for.
That being said, a question was asked about R&R motors. Answers were given. It should end there.
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« Reply #13 on: January 12, 2010, 10:34:46 AM »

If you do buy an engine there, by all means give us a full report on it.
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« Reply #14 on: January 12, 2010, 10:49:48 AM »

Jon,

You obviously either know the guy or have some other agenda with respect to that operation. This forum is a pretty open minded group of knowledgeble people. How bout just saying whats really on your mind and see where it goes from there....might make more progress.

Just a thought

Steve

To be 100% honest with you, no I don't know the guy (I'm 20 years old) and nor do I have an agenda with respect to his operation.  I spoke to him over the phone one time about 1-1.5 years ago, got my question answered (don't remember what it was about) and didn't have an issue.  I am being open minded and am trying to come to an unbiased conclusion on the subject based upon my brief phone experience over the phone (good), talking to you guys and after reading all the stuff on his website about his accomplishments/general Pontiac info that he talks about.  Heck, I have never even thrown any of my money towards his business so how can I have an agenda or know him (I live in Chicago)?  I realize that I myself am not a Pontiac expert and nor have I been around the hobby as long as most of you guys have to hear all these "horror stories" that you all are talking about.  I hope I'm not coming as being rude Steve and hopefully you actually do see that I am trying to be as unbiased as I can possibly be.

Jon
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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2010, 11:02:30 AM »

BP has had just way too much history with people who simply didn't get what they paid for, or didn't get it when told they would, for me to ever trust my hard earned $ with on a build, or even to supply parts.
I have a fellow clubmember that has a R&R supplied engine in a 69 Firebird he bought....lots of receipts for big $, yet the engine is barely any more powerful than a stock engine....now he didn't pay to have this engine done, so he's not too bent out of shape...but for all the work and dollars spent its not very impressive, nor a very good advertisement for engine building skills.

Do a google search on the subject and I'm sure you'll find first hand accounts of peoples issues.

If you're in LA and looking for a parts supplier and or builder, try Ken Brewer at Pacific Performance Racing in San Pedro.

Hearing stories like this is just throws me off because it just seems so odd and far-fetched to me (again, trying to be unbiased).  So he didn't have the engine done by R&R but he knows 100% that it was done by them and it performs like a stock engine?  Like I said before, I'm only 20 so I haven't been around to see/hear about all these historical/controversial Pontiac figures such as R&R or Nunzi.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2010, 11:14:02 AM »

If you do buy an engine there, by all means give us a full report on it.

Well I haven't 100% decided on where I want to go as of the moment but if I do end up trusting Bruce Fulper I won't tell him about anything that is going on as far as this post goes so I can give you guys an honest review.  I just need to do some research and price things out before I can give things a start with my engine.  I would like to go with one of the "bigger names" in the Pontiac engine world so I think starting there sounds promising to me with my build.  I own a numbers matching '79 W72 T/A and definitely think it needs more than what the factory offered, although I do recognize, appreciate and have now experienced what Pontiac had to offer in stock form.
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2010, 11:25:21 AM »

I'm just going to butt out. Probably shouldn't have said anything anyway. Sorry!

Good Luck
Steve
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2010, 11:49:08 AM »

Do some google searching and look in on some of the other Pontiac boards. You'll find the information you seek.

Chris hit the nail on the head.
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2010, 11:49:44 AM »

I'm just going to butt out. Probably shouldn't have said anything anyway. Sorry!

Good Luck
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Don't feel sorry about anything Steve, I think you/everyone can and should be able to voice their opinions on the subject of discussion (R&R).  It was my fault for not providing adequate information and it obviously left room for assumption on your end of the subject.  I'm not trying to be a spokesperson for Bruce and I just wanted to make that clear.  

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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2010, 12:19:08 PM »

There are plenty of well known Pontiac builders all over the USA- I would find one as close to you as possible, not halfway across the country. You should meet the builder face-to-face and discuss your needs with him, and the builder should be willing to give what you want, even if they normally build race engines. It also makes it easier to get help or support if your engine needs more attention. I would also definitely avoid anyone with even a few complaints posted, even if they're reported to be one of the best Pontiac experts- it's not worth taking the risk with your hard-earned money.

I'm here in Socal so I've heard all of the good and bad stories about Andy Mitchell and Bruce Fulper- these guys do know Pontiacs but they didn't get their notorious business reputations by accident. On a more positive note, Ken Brewer has been building Pontiacs for more than 15+ years and has an excellent reputation- that's not by accident either. I definitely wouldn't spent thousands of dollars with a builder I didn't trust and has a bad business reputation.

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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2010, 01:50:41 PM »

Are there any "Pontiac Experts" that anyone knows of in the midwest that I can possibly look into?  Upon doing some research, here is what I'm looking at....

Good Stuff:
Video and comments speak for itself.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8Si2vh4Nrs
Check out the crate engine from Car Craft Magazine!  http://www.pontiacpower.com/CarCraft03.htm
More Car Craft....  http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles/ccrp_0611_performance_engine_combinations/pontiac.html
Popular Hot Rodding.  http://www.popularhotrodding.com/enginemasters/articles/hardcore/0305em_pumpponcho/index.html
Look at what he has to say on a "bad review" and read his FAQ section of his website.  http://www.brucefulper.com/

I don't really know what to think:
http://forums.carcraft.com/70/672826/general-car-craft-discussion/400-pontiac-combo/index.html
Useless criticizing of Bruce but does say he knows whats up.  http://www.fbody.com/12gen/18308

Bad Stuff:
I guess this could be considered bad but it really just seems funny to me because I did not have a pleasant "personal" experience with one the members on here bad mouthing Bruce, in my own face-to-face conversation (I will leave that member unnamed).  http://www.pontiaczone.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12000&page=3
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2010, 03:56:56 PM »

check out this thread over at PY for some Illinois references http://forums.performanceyears.com/forums/showthread.php?t=609473&highlight=wayne
I'll probably be using Wayne Schicantek for my build.
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2010, 05:09:13 PM »

I liked the Fulper article on hydraulic roller cams in PHR's website- this is where you can see that Bruce definitely knows his Pontiacs. But if so many people have had bad business experiences with him and posted their stories on the internet, shouldn't that be warning enough? No matter how good Fulper is, you won't be happy if you paid for parts, services, or an engine and didn't get what you were promised.

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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2010, 05:13:18 PM »

...but if I do end up trusting Bruce Fulper I won't tell him about anything that is going on as far as this post goes so I can give you guys an honest review.

Trust me, he'll see this post. He Googles his name all the time to see what's being said about him on the forums. He's been a member of them all at one point, but he's been banned from all of them. He definitely knows Pontiacs, but he doesn't know how to run a business. There are far too many quality Pontiac builders out there that can do both.
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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2010, 08:00:46 AM »

I have absolutely nothing against BP...never dealt with the guy, never met him or talked to him etc.....
As a consumer, I have a right to patronise any business I choose to.....I simply choose not to use R&R for any services.
I saw all the pile of receipts on that engine for work done including assembly etc, I was thinking about buying it at the time...rust in the roof put me off buying the car. Didn't hear anything about the engine until later when the owner remarked that it wasn't a very impressive engine for the money spent.......
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« Reply #26 on: July 17, 2011, 05:23:52 PM »

Before you deal with Bruce Fulper at Rock and Roll Engineering, read about my experience with him below. All statements can be verified by emails. Feel free to email me at ngaikido@yahoo.com and I will be happy to forward any one of these 50+ emails to you! I know this is quite long but do yourself a favor and read it.
 
Between 8/15/08 and 8/17/08 I made contact with Mr. Fulper by both e-mail and phone on an engine deal that he was offering on his Internet site. We came to an agreement that he would build a Pontiac 400 engine for my '67 Firebird and it would have the following options:
 
The block would be a 67 to 69 not bored over .30, have 4x heads, have a MSD distributor, an aluminum intake, and have either a Demon or Holly rebuilt carb. We also agreed that if I sent him some parts off of a Pontiac 350 engine that I have he would lower the cost of the engine.
 
On 8/30/08 Mr. Fulper sent me an email that he "just found two more 67/69 std bore 400 blocks in my stash. So one of those will be yours. Thought you'd like to know."
 
On 9/12/08 Mr. Fulper verified that he had received the parts off of my 350 engine and also the $3,000.00 down payment that he wanted in advance.
 
On 9/30/08 Mr Fulper sent me the following "I don't do updates too much, but I happened to run across your mail and thought I'd give you a line. Block is back from being cleaned, magged, bored and honed. I had the pistons grooved for spiro lock grooves so I can
use new forged full floating rods. Need to get a crank blueprinted to size now. Lost my old crank grinder. Looking for a quality new grinder."
 
On 2/26/09 Me and Mr Fulper exchanged e-mails about some questions I had about parts and other parts that would come on the engine. One part that Mr. Fulper indicated that would be on the engine would be a flex plate.
 
On 3/29/09 Mr Fulper responded to an e-mail that I had sent to him inquiring about an ETA for the engine being completed. He responded with "Hard to pinpoint.  I am getting darn close as I finally got the crank blueprinted. I was having a hard time getting the cranks done right but I finally found someone that does what they're asked. Besides other bullcrap^ problems I've been dealing with, I will be able to start assembling yours within a week or two max."
 
On 6/16/09 Upon inquiring for another update Mr Fulper responded with the following; "Honestly, it's hard to for me to say without putting my foot in my mouth.  I'm so backed up it sucks for the customers. I'm lucky to be still working, but these $3500 dollar engines overwhelmed me with work, and for one guy, it's too much to do in the time I thought I could.  I can't make enough to hire good help, but my engines must be built right, so I'm doing them all myself. All of your short block work is done. I just have to do heads and assemble it. There's about 4, 5 jobs ahead of you yet.  (If you could see my shop.)"
 
On 8/11/09 Upon inquiring for another update Mr. Fulper responded with the following: "I just got four cranks back from being blueprinted to size, and yours is one of those. (friggin expensive) I don't charge enough for this quality. (!) But anyway.....I'm juggling 6, 7 engines at once. As parts come in for some then they get more work done on them. It's just so very hard to make predictions. Other than, I would say it will be at least two weeks before I start assembling your short block."
 
On 8/12/09 I sent Mr. Fulper the following message ; "I'm confused. You said my crank was back in March.  We're approaching one year you've been working on this engine and I must say, I'm beginning to have doubts on the end time.  I'm also concerned because I've fronted you $3000 and my engine parts, and based on various messages, your time frames aren't consistent.' and he responded with "Don't doubt anything. Since my old crank grinder retired I've been theu three different guys trying to get someone that's consistent, and does exactly what I need done. I had two crank a while back not sized right and had to have them redone. One must have been yours. Don't fret. It's being done right. "
 
On 11/28/09 I asked for another update and Mr. Fulper responded with "All I need is a bit more moola to buy a full gasket set. ($ Not from you.) All machine work is done. I'm just so darn slow it sucks. Got plenty of work, but not enough money flow to get work done quicker. If any of the guys who owe me get their money in here it'll happen fairly soon. ( a month or so)"
 
On 1/2/10 I exchanged e-mails with Mr. Fulper explaining that I wanted to take my car to the spring event in Daytona and if it would help to finish my engine I would send him a gasket set as long as he would deduct the cost from the amount I owed him. He sent me the following; "I just have to build it. I'll do my darn best to get 'er done for you this month. Send gaskets when you want."
 
On 1/31/10 Mr. Fulper replied to and e-mail with; "March.....I can do March. I'll have it done come H or High Water."
 
On 3/6/10 I sent an e-mail to Mr. Fulper asking where my engine was and reminding him that the show was on March 26 in Daytona and he responded with; "Please tell me what car it';s going into. I have different motor mount blocks ready to assemble next week."
 
On 3/7/10 After reading the above statement as you could imagine I was to say the least a little mad so I sent Mr. Fulper an e-mail outlining the events leading up to the e-mail, reminding him what we had agreed on back in August of 2008, and how mad I was.
 
On 5/6/10 I finally received the engine. After checking it out and seeing that it was not correct I sent the following to Mr Fulper:  looked at the casting codes on the block today and found that the block is a 1974, not a 1967-1969 as you originally promised.I also noticed the heads are 6X, not 4X again, like you originally promised, and there is no flywheel or MSD distributor.  You act as though I deceived you, but I had to provide my own gasket set and ship parts to you that you forgot about offering me a discount on the final price.  Please see below for all of your promises, in case you've forgotten. On your website, you have a comment about if there is a problem, "proper communication is the best way to solve it".  Well, here's my proper communication, what are you going to do to solve the problem that you have created? Not only did you take $3000 up front, but you sent me the wrong engine, distributor and no flywheel after stringing me along for over a year and a half.  Now what? Please understand, I have 46 emails that show everything that we have communicated about and show your lack of ethics in handling this transaction which you solicited by doing business on the Internet.  I will give you one opportunity to fix this problem.
 
On 5/7/10 Mr. Fulper wrote; "That block has the 5 motor mount holes, 2 of which are the 67 pattern. I will get you an MSD as soon as I can. I apologize that I didn't have one when it came time to ship it but I knew you wanted to get going with it. And also if you need a fly wheel, no problem. Sorry for the baloney. It's just been a pita around here with the economy slowdown. And 6X heads are exactly the same as 4X heads. You won't see a bit of difference in performance. I didn't see it on the invoice that you specified 4X.  I want you to enjoy to engine. I'm sure you'll like it. It will bolt right in."
 
On 5/8/10 Mr Fulper responded to another e-mail sent by me with; 'Henry, I will replace it with what I told you. My excuses aren't supposed to be your problem and I apologize greatly. I really really do. I don't have unsatisfied customers, and I don't want you to be the first. I can tell you what happened, but I don't think at this point you'd care to know. Too busy, trying to help people get their stuff, and I just bammed out about sending you exactly what you wanted, as opposed to what my mind was thinking would work nicely for you. I have the two motor mount early block, ready to assemble. I have 4x heads, which are not 67 but I guess you have your reasons for wanting them. I will have that engine picked up. Please make sure it's still tight to the pallet and the address is in plain site and tightly attached. I will pay shipping on the correct one back to you too.  It will have the MSD dist too. Let me know when it's ready to be picked up and I will get after the other one this week. I cannot give you an exact ETA. It's just impossible. But it will be the next one put together.

 
On 5/18/10 After Mr. Fulper sending me a letter, and exchanging some more e-mails we came to an agreement that it was not in either of our best interest for him to build me another engine.  He would send me some parts (both owed and additional) and we would call it even.
 
On 7/23/10 After multiple failed attempts by phone and e-mail to reach Mr. Fulper concerning the parts he was supposed to send me I filed a complaint with the Better Business Bureau in an attempt to get Mr. Fullper to fulfill his comment.
 
On 8/24/10 I received an e-mail from the Better Business Bureau indicating that they were closing the complaint due to Mr. Fulper failing to respond to their two letters.
 
On 9/13/10 I received an e-mail from Mr. Fulper indicating that he was finally going to send the parts he agreed to send me.
 
At the time of this review Mr. Fulper has not sent the parts he agreed to or made any attempts to make this situation right.  His recent email included rude comments and name calling.
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« Reply #27 on: July 17, 2011, 06:12:33 PM »

And that marks another in a list of fair business dealings...... Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #28 on: July 18, 2011, 06:17:14 AM »

FWIW

I have a customer who left a deposit w/ him Sept 2010 and has not received anything to date or progress. Correspondences / replied diminished w/in the last 2 months.

Never dealt w/ the guy, but the hearsay is not the best for reputation.
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« Reply #29 on: July 18, 2011, 02:22:38 PM »

Interesting read.  Bruce has been a Pontiac icon for many years, but has had a tainted reputation for just about as long as he's been in business.  I remember reading issues about him long long ago.  This got me to thinking about truth vs perception. Someone here at TAC recently lambasted Amazon for failure to deliver Rocky Rotellas new book and had some pretty scathing things to post about Amazon.  Turns out it was a mail room clerk that was the problem.  Yet now Amazon has been unfairly thrashed.  Not that businesses don't make mistakes, but are they really as bad as their "reputation" indicates.  I checked R&R's BBB rating and there are only 2 complaints filed.  One of them from one of the posters here.  In the internet age, it doesn't take much to thrash someone's reputation, but then again, that doesn't mean the thrashing isn't well deserved either.  I think the lesson learned here is to find out for yourself all the information you can about the business you're dealing with.  I went with a machine shop that has a very good reputation locally for some work.  Job was supposed to be done in a couple weeks and it took 6 months with tons of excuses.  Was my experience typical or atypical?  I don't know.  Does it make the machine shop a bad business to deal with?  It was in my opinion.  I won't go back.  Without having any personal knowledge of Bruce Fulper, I think unless I lived within driving distance of his shop, I'd be reluctant to have any major work performed there.  Just my opinion based on the information out on the net.
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Previously Owned TA's/Musclecars: 2002 Pewter WS6/M6 Trans Am, 1968 Dodge Superbee 383/4speed,  1975 TA 455/4speed, 1989 Mustang LX 5.0/5speed, 1980 TA Indy Pace Car, 1977 TA 400/Auto, 1989 GTA 350TPI, 1990 GTA 350TPI, 1986 IROC 305TPI, 1989 Mustang LX 5.0/Auto, 1993 Mitsu 3000GT VR4 (and probably a few I've forgotten abo
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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2011, 02:00:30 PM »

I have to chime in on this one...back in 2008 i talked with Bruce about building a King Street 455 like the one in featured on his website and the talks were great, very knowledgable.  In the end I ordered heads, intake, cam and he said he would throw in the gaskets and ARP head bolts. The entire amount was sent out later that week and I was told I should have everything within a month.  1 month went by with phone calls being randomly answered and when I did talk to him I was told it would be another month and due to the poor economy it would help if I sent another $200 to cover shipping costs, finally 2 months later I recieved all of my parts and they were absolutely gorgeous. I must admit though I was darn scared that I was never going to see anything for all of the money sent out (well north of $3K). I think the only way I'd do it again is if I could go there in person to purchase parts!! Razz
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« Reply #31 on: July 22, 2011, 01:07:29 PM »

Maybe you guys can clear up a question I have concerning Bruce and the Trans Am nationals.  I remember four or five years back at Kil Kare Bruce sponsored the drag racing during the TA nats and offered a built 400 as a prize but decided to with hold the motor.  I remember thinking it was pretty pathetic as was his excuse.  Now what I cannot remember was his excuse??  It was either not enough entries or a Pontiac didn't win??  Either way some guy in a Prius won  Evil or Very Mad
None of the people I went with remember a minimum number of entries or stipulations on the winner being stated concerning the prize.
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