2020-B1-9

Author Topic: Finally Starting My Project 71(Update with pictures)  (Read 25983 times)

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Finally Starting My Project 71(Update with pictures)
« on: May 04, 2009, 12:49:48 PM »
Well the weather in Michigan finally looks like it has turned and I am able to move about after my back surgery. Still not lifting but I was able to dig my project out of my dads barn and get some "before pictures".
It is a 71 plain Jane Firebird that looks like it was cloned into a Formula some time in the late 70's or early 80's before being stashed and forgotten in a barn not too far from here.
It is in remarkably good shape for a northern car but time will tell as I dig into her. It currently sports a fairly strong running 350 Pontiac with either a lopey cam, or slight misfire  :???:
My plans are to reclone or create a "tribute" (that’s ebay lingo I think) of a 71 TA.
but in a restomod format including:
455 pontiac yc block,
6x8 heads,
Qjet, and either Edelbrock(pictured) or original cast iron manifold in garage.
And some type of cam TBD
Munci 4 spd M20
81 308 posi rear end with discs an all the associated brake upgrades that go with that install
Pro-touring Comp suspension with complete front-end kit and solid body mounts
Sub frame connectors.
And of course the bazillions of dollars worth of interior components that need to be repaired, replaced, or painted black.
In the end I’m thinking white with blue stripe but may reverse to blue on white or step way out and go 73 screamin chicken instead. We’ll see.
Anyway, it’s gonna be slooo going but I’ll post up as I get things done and will continue to ask thousands of questions along the way.
Here are some pics.



















« Last Edit: October 19, 2010, 06:50:27 AM by lfdsteve »

sinister76ta

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4235
  • -Christopher-
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2009, 12:53:27 PM »
Looks like a great foundation to start with. I don't know why, but those green interiors in the birds have grown on me after time. Maybe because most people tore them out and replaced them with black, so you don't see it much anymore.  8)
73 Black Formula 400 4 speed
74 Admiralty Blue T/A 455 auto
75 Candy Apple Red Firebird 350 auto
76 Cameo White T/A 400 auto
76 Starlight Black T/A 455 4 speed
76 Sterling Silver T/A 400 4 speed
77 Glacier Blue Esprit 400 4 speed
81 Black Formula
75 Silver Formula parts car -dead-
76 Carousel Red T/A parts car -sold-
76 Trans Am parts car
78 Skybird parts car  -sold-

Rick

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13140
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2009, 02:44:19 PM »
It does look like you have a good car there!  You even have a spare glovebox lid! :P :P

I have absolutely no sense of taste or style, but while I very much like the blue exterior color and the green interior is OK, they just don't seem to go together.  Maybe it's my lack of refinement, but are you considering a different color for the exterior if you're keeping the interior? :-?

I'd think you have a while to contemplate that, though, because the mechanical stuff comes first in any event...

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2009, 02:51:22 PM »
I'm leaning toward Black for the interior. As far as the exterior, it's either Polar white or Lucy blue. I'll flip a coin later to decide.


Steve

Thumpin455

  • Active Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 745
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2009, 03:52:50 PM »
What will become of the Formula hood? Perhaps a trip to the UP?

collects t/a's

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9738
  • T-rans-A-maholi-C with a '67 fastback !
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2009, 06:07:40 PM »
If you would like to sell that green interior, I would be willing to purchase it from you. My '70 formula originally had a green interior and now it is long gone.  :sad:

I think it would be the same green color interior from '70 to '71.  :???:
Bryan, .... a.k.a. Ricky Ricardo, .... you know, .... I love Lucy!!

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2009, 06:16:13 PM »
I believe I already have a taker for the hood and 71 fenders sorry. As for the green interior, The soft goods are not nearly as good as these pictures make them out to be,ie trashed. The console is in pretty nice shape and the dash is fixable. sail pannels crumbly but kick panels in pretty good shape. If your serious, drop me a pm as to what you were looking for and we may be able to work something out.
Black 4 spd console anyone?
Take care,
Steve

ps. head liner is darn near mint condiiton but was going to dye it because it seems like a b-tch to chage out.

Rick

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 13140
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2009, 08:00:28 PM »
ps. head liner is darn near mint condiiton but was going to dye it because it seems like a b-tch to chage out.

Is it fabric?  I don't remember when they switched from fabric to perforated vinyl -- anyway, mrpontiac80 (Mike) can tell you how to swap that out.  He makes it look easy enough (but then he makes most interior work look dog dirt simple because he's so good at it ;) ).

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71(update)
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2009, 10:02:07 AM »
Here are the before and after pictures of the rear end set to go in my 71. It’s a 308 posi.
All bearings and seals replaced, cleaned and painted. Brakes are GM rebuilt with new gm discs. Calipers painted with Por15 caliper paint.( I have Pbrake harware, just not sure how it goes on yet... anyone?)
Even with the internet and all the manuals, I COULD NOT HAVE COMPLETED THIS TASK WITHOUT THE HELP OF YOU ALL>
Thanks
Steve









LeighP

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 20689
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 10:10:39 AM »
Nice job, looks very tidy.
Looks like you and I are resto-modding similiar cars...mine started life as a 71 Esprit...but its going to look like a Formula when I'm done.
Regards,
Leigh

Sydney, Australia
1968 Pontiac Firebird 428 5 speed coupe

Former Firebirds -
1969 Pontiac Firebird 400
1971 Pontiac Firebird 455
1977 Pontiac Trans Am
1976 Pontiac Trans Am
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 convertible
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe


Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #9 on: September 23, 2009, 10:10:39 AM »

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2009, 10:25:43 AM »
Thanks,

Yep mine started as an esprit as well but going for the TA thing. I sometimes wonder if I am making a mistake in not staying with the Formula look but oh well.
Did you happen to see my post in the tech section about the shaker issue? Any help?
thanks again

Steve

72blackbird

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2975
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2009, 01:13:46 PM »
Steve,
I'm going in a similar direction with my '72- going to put the T/A shaker and hood on it and complete the look, since I already have T/A fenders and spoilers on it. I was going to put the stock rally gauges in it, but I think I like the Autometer Ultralites better.

BTW, I have a 71 455 block and crank that you may be interested in. The block is still standard bore w/ no ridge, and the crank is down at the PPR's shop getting turned .010 under- probably should be ready now.

Geno
1977 SE T/A (sold :( )
1974 455 T/A (sold :( )
1972 Esprit restomod
1976 T/A restomod
1975 Formula 400 4-speed donor car
1978 Martinique blue W72 4-speed T/A, hurst tops

crider

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1401
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2009, 05:12:33 PM »
Looks like a nice starting point for a project. Way better than my 71 was. Same color combo too. Was yours originally blue exterior? Mine was lucy blue with the same green inside, didn't figure they made many that way.
Jim

LeighP

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 20689
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2009, 08:40:33 PM »
Steve, saw that post but frankly, I've never seen that shaker base before.....doesn't even look like 305 SBC ones I've seen.  :???:
Regards,
Leigh

Sydney, Australia
1968 Pontiac Firebird 428 5 speed coupe

Former Firebirds -
1969 Pontiac Firebird 400
1971 Pontiac Firebird 455
1977 Pontiac Trans Am
1976 Pontiac Trans Am
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 convertible
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe


Flamn Chkn

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1339
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2009, 09:18:48 PM »
Hi Steve
well I'm probably going to disagree with you on one point
I would keep the interior the color it came with
I had a chance to buy a 69 verdoro green 69 GTO convertible with a white top RAIII when I was in high school my dad said if you bring it home dont come home. It had the same color interior as your car.

If it were me I would leave the interior as is and paint the outside verdoro green and not turn it into just another Trans AM I would make a 71 Formula 455!!!!
way more rare and INMHO way more cool especially with the color combo
 I would almost guarentee you would be the only guy at a show with that combo and probaly go home with the trophy because of the uniqueness factor

Speed is only a matter of Money how fast can YOU afford to go

Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2009, 09:18:48 PM »


2020-B1-8


LeighP

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 20689
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2009, 10:59:47 PM »
I have to agree...thats why I'm going with the Formula look...already have a Trans Am, this time I wanted a car without any body spoilers at all - just that beautiful hood!  :cool:
I always thought it was a pity that green was not an option for a Trans Am interior....I think a 73 Brewster Green T/A would have looked awesome with a green interior.
Regards,
Leigh

Sydney, Australia
1968 Pontiac Firebird 428 5 speed coupe

Former Firebirds -
1969 Pontiac Firebird 400
1971 Pontiac Firebird 455
1977 Pontiac Trans Am
1976 Pontiac Trans Am
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 convertible
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe


78TransAm

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 4802
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #16 on: September 24, 2009, 04:48:03 AM »
You can't ask for a better foundation than that, great solid muscle car.  Looks like alot of us have projects going on. :lol:
Mark Haynes
TAC Moderator
Warner Robins, Georgia

1974transam.blogspot.com/

www.MarkHaynesArt.com




1974 455 Trans Am
1978 400 Trans Am

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #17 on: September 24, 2009, 05:37:45 AM »
Interesting point. I will have to look but I believe the original color of the exterior was verdoro green(or some type of green, Ill have to look).
Hmm, gives me something to think about anyway.

Steve
« Last Edit: September 24, 2009, 05:41:00 AM by lfdsteve »

72blackbird

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2975
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #18 on: September 24, 2009, 08:14:00 AM »
My Pops had a Verdoro Green '69 Custom S w/ what I tkink was a gold vinyl interior- it's definitely different on a second gen Firebird. But I'm a fan of black interiors too, since just about every exterior color goes w/ it.

Geno
1977 SE T/A (sold :( )
1974 455 T/A (sold :( )
1972 Esprit restomod
1976 T/A restomod
1975 Formula 400 4-speed donor car
1978 Martinique blue W72 4-speed T/A, hurst tops

LeighP

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 20689
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2009, 09:20:52 AM »
Yeah, you have to love the simplicity of black for an interior....easy to match trims, vinyl dyes are easy to get as is carpet etc.
I'm going with black on my 71....of course, it was originally a black interior car anyway, lol.
Regards,
Leigh

Sydney, Australia
1968 Pontiac Firebird 428 5 speed coupe

Former Firebirds -
1969 Pontiac Firebird 400
1971 Pontiac Firebird 455
1977 Pontiac Trans Am
1976 Pontiac Trans Am
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 convertible
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe


Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #19 on: September 24, 2009, 09:20:52 AM »

Flamn Chkn

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1339
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #20 on: September 24, 2009, 08:33:08 PM »
yes black is easy to bring together but now that I have turned my interior from firethorn to black I am beginning to regret the decision.
another Sterling silver 76 T/A here where I live has a firethorn interior and after looking at it this spring I would have to say I wish I would have  restored mine to the original instead.

Let me ask you guys how many birds have you seen that have a green interior? how hard would it be to find parts for a vedoro green interior? I think that Steves interior is in very good condition and should be kept and restored.
IIRC wasnt there another Formula posted on here a while back maybe a year or two ago that was lime green with a vedoro interior?

I remember that car and it was KILLER
Speed is only a matter of Money how fast can YOU afford to go

LeighP

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 20689
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2009, 07:02:39 AM »
I like the green interior...with the right exterior its very cool. I have not seen many though.
I recall seeing a 72 (?) that was ordered with a green exterior and bright red interior once....it really could have used a green interior, lol.
Regards,
Leigh

Sydney, Australia
1968 Pontiac Firebird 428 5 speed coupe

Former Firebirds -
1969 Pontiac Firebird 400
1971 Pontiac Firebird 455
1977 Pontiac Trans Am
1976 Pontiac Trans Am
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 convertible
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe


Flamn Chkn

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1339
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2009, 01:05:39 AM »
just thought you might like to see what it would look like
1971 Pontiac Ad
Speed is only a matter of Money how fast can YOU afford to go

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2009, 07:43:24 PM »
Checked the numbers today and the car was actually originaly Laurentain green. I believe this is similar to the verdigo (sp) green from 68-69. I was actually hoping it was limekist but oh well. Not sure now what color to go.

Steve

Flamn Chkn

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1339
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2009, 10:11:49 PM »
I like the lime exterior with the vedoro green interior
IMHO cars should always have a darker interior to a lighter, or brighter exterior just seems to look right but thats my opinion the only exception is a white exterior then you can go with whatever color interior you want.
The only reason I suggested the green for a 71 is because EVERYONE else is either white or Blue.

I will confess though a friend of mine has a 71 T/A clone he is just finishing in RED that he is going to put white stripes and the small bird on he nose and if your reeaal good I will go snap some pics an post them for you.
Speed is only a matter of Money how fast can YOU afford to go

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2010, 02:08:26 PM »

Quick update on my project. Removed rear suspension, exhaust, fuel tank. Did some clean up of the rear frame rails. I added rear sway mount brackets. Slow going and tight quarters.








This is my end game with Pro Touring suspension and honeycombs.


lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2010, 07:50:47 AM »
So I have a question,
Where the frame rail meets and is spot welded to the floor, there seems to be a bit of a gap between welds. Would it be advisable to run seam sealer along this junction or should it stay open to breath?
Thanks
Steve

Nick623

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1568
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2010, 03:40:09 PM »


LOL this picture had me scratching my head for a while until I realized you wanted to make the plate numbers un-readable lol.

Pro touring sounds like a good plan and with Honeycombs to boot sounds even better, way too many pro touring stuff out there with Cragars so I can't wait to see how this will turn out, I know I will love it but I just want to see it  :cool:

72blackbird

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2975
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2010, 10:20:33 PM »
Steve,
I like your 'endgame', especially the color choice- definitely not a common color choice on 70-73 Firebirds. I see you ended up beefing up your subframe where the swaybar mounts bolt on too- mine have held up over 18 years so far.

I think I would leave the gaps, since water would find it's way into the subframe rails, fill up, and rust out. BTW, are you planning to minitub the rear?

Geno
1977 SE T/A (sold :( )
1974 455 T/A (sold :( )
1972 Esprit restomod
1976 T/A restomod
1975 Formula 400 4-speed donor car
1978 Martinique blue W72 4-speed T/A, hurst tops

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2010, 04:57:02 AM »
Geno,
Yeah I figured even though it's going to be a non numbers car, I would try to keep it as close to the tags as possable. It's originaly a larentan(SP?) green with green interior so I decided to keep it that way. Like the vinyl top but probably will pass on that and stay with the hard top. As you can see from the pictures, I need to replace 1 drop off and the outer portion of passenger wheel house. I wasn't planning on mini tubbing just going to use 15x7 Honycombs with as much rubber as will fit. There is an outfit not too far from here that widens rims so I was contemplating having my honeycombs widened to 15x8 or 9?? not sure if they can work around the polycast or not though,
I ended up making those sway bar brackets from 3/16 steel. As you can see even though I welded them on I still added a grade 8 bolt just because I dont trust my welding skills yet. Time will tell.
As far as formy vs trans am, I cannot decide so I'm thinking of painting both hoods and putting flares on it. That way I can switch hoods and add the shaker if I get bored. I like the formy look with the flares anyway but love the shaker. Too many decisions!!!! :-D
take care
Steve
« Last Edit: April 30, 2010, 05:03:34 AM by lfdsteve »

Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2010, 04:57:02 AM »

t/a-lover

  • Active Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 286
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2010, 07:52:07 PM »
just read your thred like the color combo my 71 GTO is laurentian green it a great looking color
1971 GTO 455HO
1981 turbo T/A
1986 2+2
2002 WS6Trans Am

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #31 on: May 01, 2010, 06:02:36 PM »
very nice! How about a fem more angles of the car, its beautiful!
Steve

LeighP

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 20689
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2010, 07:15:28 AM »
Wow, nice car!
A little nicer colour than Vedoro Green.
Regards,
Leigh

Sydney, Australia
1968 Pontiac Firebird 428 5 speed coupe

Former Firebirds -
1969 Pontiac Firebird 400
1971 Pontiac Firebird 455
1977 Pontiac Trans Am
1976 Pontiac Trans Am
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 convertible
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe


lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71
« Reply #33 on: October 19, 2010, 06:49:45 AM »

Been a whirlwind of a summer and haven't posted on my progress in a long while. Here is a time laps of My summers projects. Long way to go but making progress.
FWIW I couldn't have gotton this far without all the help. THANKS!

Steve















mrbandit

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 9223
  • TAC Webmaster
      • http://www.transamcountry.com
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71(Update with pictures)
« Reply #34 on: October 19, 2010, 07:33:26 AM »
I found this on Bob's site.  http://www.pontiacsonline.com/Warpath.htm

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71(Update with pictures)
« Reply #35 on: October 19, 2010, 10:36:17 AM »
Nice, so its keylime, not limekist as I thought. I wonder what the difference is side by side??
Decisions, decisions

Steve

LeighP

  • Jedi Council
  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 20689
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71(Update with pictures)
« Reply #36 on: October 20, 2010, 06:11:58 AM »
Thats a great colour, Steve...really work with the green interior....but that Laurentian Green is also pretty darned nice too.
Some good work happening there, mate...nice job.
Regards,
Leigh

Sydney, Australia
1968 Pontiac Firebird 428 5 speed coupe

Former Firebirds -
1969 Pontiac Firebird 400
1971 Pontiac Firebird 455
1977 Pontiac Trans Am
1976 Pontiac Trans Am
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 convertible
1967 Pontiac Firebird 400 coupe


72blackbird

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 2975
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71(Update with pictures)
« Reply #37 on: October 20, 2010, 10:42:41 AM »
Steve,
Great progress on the 'Bird- apparently I've been slacking and I need to start wrenching on mine, or both you and Leigh will be driving your Birds and mine will still be in the garage (only replaced my brake booster and started rebuilding my rear calipers). That laurentian green is also a really nice color, especially with a urethane clear coat.

BTW, what stick are you gonna run ?

Geno
1977 SE T/A (sold :( )
1974 455 T/A (sold :( )
1972 Esprit restomod
1976 T/A restomod
1975 Formula 400 4-speed donor car
1978 Martinique blue W72 4-speed T/A, hurst tops

WarbirdTA

  • Oracle Forum Member
  • *
  • Posts: 1880
  • Trans Am collector
      • my website
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71(Update with pictures)
« Reply #38 on: October 20, 2010, 11:37:18 AM »
Looking good!
Always great to see progress getting done.
I need to do some more on my toys.

George  8)

lfdsteve

  • Guest
Re: Finally Starting My Project 71(Update with pictures)
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2010, 12:13:04 PM »
Thanks for the kind words. I'm going to run an M20 with a 342 gearset to start. Might haev to tweak it at some point but thats what I have set up here.
BTW, got my front springs in without killing myself today using the prescribed method here on TAC. THANKS AS I WOULD HAVE HURT MYSELF FOLLOWING CHILTONS!!!

Re: Finally Starting My Project 71(Update with pictures)
« Reply #39 on: October 20, 2010, 12:13:04 PM »
You can help support TAC!

 



2020-B1-3