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« on: November 26, 2007, 09:11:43 AM »

check out this topic just posted:

http://transamcountry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=10025


its about the fourth pic down, the red t/a with sidepipes.

thats what i'd like to do to mine.

i am buying headers off of ebay today that i found for only $10 fdor an olds 455.

it has some rust but can be cleaned up nicely.

where could i get these pipes from? do they hooke up to the headers?


does it go:
headers then mufflers, then sidepipes?

what kind of mufflers would fit in a spot right over there?


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« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 06:40:05 PM »

anybody?
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« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 08:07:37 PM »

I looked into something similar for my 77. A place up here (Ohio)called Jegs carries them I believe they are made by Patriot. Anyways, the sidepipe has the muffler built into them already so you get those with the sidepipe. I don't remember correctly but i think they also sell a connecting pipe to go from the header to the sidepipe but don't quote me on that. If nothing else you could just have a custom bent piece made for it. But the reason I decided against getting them was because with the heavy engine I have the car sits low to the ground anyways so clearance might be an issue. Measure twice order once. Cool  Hope I could help, put pictures up with how it turns out! I might still consider doing it.
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« Reply #3 on: November 26, 2007, 10:43:05 PM »

There have been a few guys here that have run sidepipes over the years. I like the look, IF you are going for that '70's/'80's street machine look. On a stock restoration, they are out of place. Like was already said, most have the muffler (if you can call it that) built into the pipe.
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« Reply #4 on: November 26, 2007, 11:31:31 PM »

yep! i am in fact, going for the street machine look.

this is my first car, so i'm in it more for fun than what it would be worth with originality points.

when i bought my car, the ONLY thing not original on it was just the paint job and the rims.

i already swapped transmissions, and now i'm doing a bigger engine, and now i want a badass exhaust to go with it Smile


but i'm not doing that until i have the engine in the car and i already know it runs..

but i'll be dropping my engine in almost immediatly after christmas when i get some more parts for it Smile



EDIT:  i just found these:

http://www.jegs.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_10001_10002_752602_-1_11537


look at the first three, thats what i'd like to get, my only question is, at the beginning of the pipe it has four small pipes...what are all of them connected to if the headers come down into one pipe??
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« Reply #5 on: November 26, 2007, 11:47:37 PM »

From the description:
" Chrome Lake Pipe 4s connect to headers or a stock exhaust system with one functional inlet tube and three dress-up tubes."
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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2007, 12:02:59 AM »

ohhhh i didnt see that Confused

i tend to scroll through it too fast sometimes.

it says in the description it "absorbs sound, not horsepower"


anybody have experience with these? because personally, i don't want it to absorb sound, i would like a nice muscle sound..think these would do it?

ok, i like these two sounds...


http://youtube.com/watch?v=qq4JiQzP_Dk



and..


http://youtube.com/watch?v=jvmB4w0kmYg


i'd like a sound like that with the look of sidepipes
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2007, 12:24:23 AM »

this one is really nice too! and it even has sidepipes

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XrVIt62BQoo&feature=related
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« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2007, 12:32:00 AM »

I believe that is/was a member here (overseas I think)...he custom built/bent the exhaust if I recall. It's been awhile...
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« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2007, 12:49:39 AM »

on this description it says he put cherry bombs in it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-EtRRxMgRRE&feature=related



i wish my cherry bombs sounded like that Rolling Eyes or i wouldnt of even been in this situation
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« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2007, 01:33:04 AM »

Hello There!
Now are the Sidepipes gone.It was to noisy.The best sound for me is Header to Flowmaster 40 Series  and so on.
You found it already. http://youtube.com/watch?v=qq4JiQzP_Dk
But if you realy want to have sidepipes, use some with one tube .
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2007, 01:38:38 AM »

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Hello There!
Now are the Sidepipes gone.It was to noisy.The best sound for me is Header to Flowmaster 40 Series  and so on.
You found it already. http://youtube.com/watch?v=qq4JiQzP_Dk
But if you realy want to have sidepipes, use some with one tube .



hmmm...i'm not sure now..i sure like the sound of the headers to flowmaster 40's
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« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2007, 02:28:43 AM »

here you can find the way how i did
http://transamcountry.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9811
I took at that time that specialties more crooked and was have would end incorporated only the Cherry bombs dazwischengemacht. the sound like the hell however much too loudly therefore we at that the Sidepipes another small gelochtes sheet metal and was somewhat better had converted it jatzt however to Flowmaster and is the exhaust pipes to the driver side as well as in the Nascar-vehicles. this Sound optimal.
I hope the translater works.
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« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2007, 02:02:42 PM »

interesting....

okay thanks!

those are flowmaster 40's that you custom-made, right?
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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2007, 02:09:47 PM »

Quote from: "79tranny"
on this description it says he put cherry bombs in it.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-EtRRxMgRRE&feature=related



i wish my cherry bombs sounded like that Rolling Eyes or i wouldnt of even been in this situation



I like this sound the best.
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« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2007, 04:50:10 PM »

i had put side pipes on my 77 grand prix back in the day ,early `80`s (if i can find the pic i`ll post it ), they were cool at first and really woke up the 400 that was in it ,(along with the neighborhood), but the car was my daily driver and the pipes got to be a major pain !! even though they had a shield on them i still got burned occasionally , and i couldnt " lay low " when the cops were around , and the gravel and road debris constantly being thrown up on them was a problem , anyway , i ended up takeing them off and never missed or wanted them again since !! just my experiance with them that i thought i would pass along ,,
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« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2007, 08:05:26 PM »

I ran sidepipes and headers on my old '76 daily driver, the key to keeping the roar down is to use the longest ones that you can buy, I cut down the inlet and outlet pipes so that the longest muffler portion I could get would still cover the whole rocker. The headers exited past the side pipe inlet, but that was OK. With some custom work I went all the way around the back of the subframe and then back forward to the inlet of the sidepipe. I think the additional length of pipe behind the header collector also helped quiet it a bit and nothing hung lower than the bottom of the subframe. Very trouble free and looked great, made the car look wider and lower.
Never seen one done that way before, or since.
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« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2007, 08:10:42 PM »

Quote from: "70_71_78"
I ran sidepipes and headers on my old '76 daily driver, the key to keeping the roar down is to use the longest ones that you can buy, I cut down the inlet and outlet pipes so that the longest muffler portion I could get would still cover the whole rocker. The headers exited past the side pipe inlet, but that was OK. With some custom work I went all the way around the back of the subframe and then back forward to the inlet of the sidepipe. I think the additional length of pipe behind the header collector also helped quiet it a bit and nothing hung lower than the bottom of the subframe. Very trouble free and looked great, made the car look wider and lower.
Never seen one done that way before, or since.
J


any pics of it?
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2007, 10:24:43 PM »

I had sidepipes on my T/A.  The sidepipes were the ORIGINAL Hooker Super Comp Sidepipes made specifically for a PONTIAC 400 engine.  As everyone knows, or for those who don't, they no longer make sidepipes that are a true fit for a Pontiac Engine. The Hooker Super Comp header sidepipes were one complete unit that came directly off the heads and exited out the side of the car just in front of the rear tire.  
Here's what my car looked like with the sidepipes on:

What my car looks like now:


Althought sidepipes look cool, coming from someone that had them, they were just inches about the ground scraping on my drives apron, train tracks, and forget about on the grass to take pics.  They also burn every relatives legs that forget you have sidepipes.  I wouldn't recommend them.  They had very little back pressure which my engine actually increased HP due to the increase of backpressure.  It's up to you but I wouldn't do it.

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« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2007, 10:53:50 PM »

I hear ya Hammer, but man they look cool.  Even cooler with ceramic coating.
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« Reply #20 on: November 29, 2007, 06:32:10 AM »

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I had sidepipes on my T/A.  The sidepipes were the ORIGINAL Hooker Super Comp Sidepipes made specifically for a PONTIAC 400 engine.  As everyone knows, or for those who don't, they no longer make sidepipes that are a true fit for a Pontiac Engine. The Hooker Super Comp header sidepipes were one complete unit that came directly off the heads and exited out the side of the car just in front of the rear tire.  
Here's what my car looked like with the sidepipes on:

What my car looks like now:


Althought sidepipes look cool, coming from someone that had them, they were just inches about the ground scraping on my drives apron, train tracks, and forget about on the grass to take pics.  They also burn every relatives legs that forget you have sidepipes.  I wouldn't recommend them.  They had very little back pressure which my engine actually increased HP due to the increase of backpressure.  It's up to you but I wouldn't do it.

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Hammer, ran the same set up pn my TA also. But I bought the chrome set. Living in PA at the time with emission inspections just starting really made it tough to get it inspected. Adding to what you said I also I had trouble with people nicking the sidepipes with their heels. I was always cleaning heel marks off of them. Plus road dirt and grime was a pain. Guess you didn't have that problem with a balck set.

Also with a RA IV cammed motor without A/C in the car sitting in traffic was fun. All the fumes rose right up the side of the car and into the cabin. Sad

They looked good though.  Laughing
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« Reply #21 on: November 29, 2007, 07:05:38 AM »

I don't have a photo posting account, but I updated my profile with the only clear picture I have of it as my avitar. Sorry, no plumbing/undercarriage photos, I didn't have any photography gear at the beginning of the 80's!
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« Reply #22 on: November 29, 2007, 09:15:03 AM »

When I had my 76 TA. I had installed Hooker headers and the sidepipes. They were loud ! (attracthed my many nice police officers ), they were really low to the ground and would scrape when going into some driveways, and would burn your leg when exiting the car if you stuck your leg on them (just ask a few of my old girl friends)..  They made quite a performance difference over the factory stock manifolds, single cat-conv, ect ... But they looked great when clean, espically on cruise nites.
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« Reply #23 on: November 29, 2007, 09:22:12 AM »

alright, well i would really like to go for the look, but i don't want to mess up any performance while doing it by messing up back pressure.

I don't really want the stock tail pipes coming out the back. i actually just finished removing my entire exhaust system (no x pipes or anything)


any ideas one something to do that is different, sounds nice, and looks good?

i was thinking about not neccesarily having sidepipes, but having just the tip come out to the end with the pipes under the car..like have the end of a 2.5 or 3 inch pipe come out in front of my rear tire
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« Reply #24 on: November 29, 2007, 09:48:26 AM »

My second fav.  Was Hooker Super Comp. headers. 2.5 duals back to stock W72 resonators and tailpipes. Sounded great with an 11 to 1, RA IV cammed 455, 4 speed and 4.11 rear gear. Those small resonators probably didn't help the performance much though.
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« Reply #25 on: November 29, 2007, 11:26:10 AM »

Quote from: "70_71_78"
I don't have a photo posting account, but I updated my profile with the only clear picture I have of it as my avitar. Sorry, no plumbing/undercarriage photos, I didn't have any photography gear at the beginning of the 80's!
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« Reply #26 on: November 29, 2007, 11:49:36 AM »

There where two mufflers you could buy. Can't remember what Hooker called them. I bought what they considered the quiter set. My 455, RA IV cam, #16 heads (11.1), with the 3.23's. Never had a performance problem.

Ya gotta watch where you dump your exhaust. You could get a lot of resonense(spl) in the cabin.
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« Reply #27 on: November 29, 2007, 12:00:52 PM »

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i am buying headers off of ebay today that i found for only $10 fdor an olds 455.



I was looking at those too. Something you should know - the headers for the '69 Cutlass are different than the ones that fit the F-bodies. The frame on the earlier Cutlasses are wider (among other things). Headers for a '73 - '77 Cutlass are the ones that fit our cars. So there might be some modification needed to make those headers fit.
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« Reply #28 on: November 29, 2007, 01:03:58 PM »

ok , i know it`s a bad pic but i said i would post one , taken around `87 , i had the good old flex pipe connecting the manifolds to the pipes ,,,,,[/img] , 77 GP SJ , 400 4BBL ,
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« Reply #29 on: November 29, 2007, 01:20:58 PM »

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Quote from: "79tranny"
i am buying headers off of ebay today that i found for only $10 fdor an olds 455.



I was looking at those too. Something you should know - the headers for the '69 Cutlass are different than the ones that fit the F-bodies. The frame on the earlier Cutlasses are wider (among other things). Headers for a '73 - '77 Cutlass are the ones that fit our cars. So there might be some modification needed to make those headers fit.


good thing you mentioned that, i was about to ask that.

i'm going to bid on his edelbrock intake instead Laughing



i don't know guys...honestly i'm completely stumped when it comes to choosing an exhaust set-up..

what about glass packs?
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« Reply #30 on: November 29, 2007, 01:45:59 PM »

Quote from: "79tranny"
Quote from: "SirLDragon"
Quote from: "79tranny"
i am buying headers off of ebay today that i found for only $10 fdor an olds 455.



I was looking at those too. Something you should know - the headers for the '69 Cutlass are different than the ones that fit the F-bodies. The frame on the earlier Cutlasses are wider (among other things). Headers for a '73 - '77 Cutlass are the ones that fit our cars. So there might be some modification needed to make those headers fit.


good thing you mentioned that, i was about to ask that.

i'm going to bid on his edelbrock intake instead Laughing



i don't know guys...honestly i'm completely stumped when it comes to choosing an exhaust set-up..

what about glass packs?


Kevin and I both use them. Definitely gives it a "'70s" sound.
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« Reply #31 on: November 29, 2007, 01:50:47 PM »

Quote from: "79tranny"
Quote from: "SirLDragon"
Quote from: "79tranny"
i am buying headers off of ebay today that i found for only $10 fdor an olds 455.



I was looking at those too. Something you should know - the headers for the '69 Cutlass are different than the ones that fit the F-bodies. The frame on the earlier Cutlasses are wider (among other things). Headers for a '73 - '77 Cutlass are the ones that fit our cars. So there might be some modification needed to make those headers fit.


good thing you mentioned that, i was about to ask that.

i'm going to bid on his edelbrock intake instead Laughing



i don't know guys...honestly i'm completely stumped when it comes to choosing an exhaust set-up..

what about glass packs?



If you want the classic sound, the Flowmaster 50s are nice and loud and definitely have that 'classic' sound.
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« Reply #32 on: November 29, 2007, 08:36:38 PM »

ahh..


so now i'm narrowed down to flowmaster 50's, or glass packs
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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2007, 05:10:53 AM »

The exhaust concern that we constructed have and use sees now under my Firebird so from.

Are connected the mufflers to that specialties more crooked the inlet tube are 2.5" and the outlet are two oval 3" pipe
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« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2007, 02:01:21 PM »

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The exhaust concern that we constructed have and use sees now under my Firebird so from.

Are connected the mufflers to that specialties more crooked the inlet tube are 2.5" and the outlet are two oval 3" pipe


thats really cool.

but i don't think i could do any of that on my own
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« Reply #35 on: December 01, 2007, 02:23:24 AM »

Hmmm that is not so hard to do.You just need a weldmachine(hm correct Word? ???)
and the Material.I think a little Garage will do that for you maybe you know a mechanic.We need for doing that only 1.5 hours.
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« Reply #36 on: December 01, 2007, 10:50:33 AM »

Hmmm that is not so hard to do.You just need a weldmachine(hm correct Word? ???)
and the Material.I think a little Garage will do that for you maybe you know a mechanic.We need for doing that only 1.5 hours.

ok. why is one longer than the other?

do they both come out on the sides?

or just one side like that?
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« Reply #37 on: December 01, 2007, 01:57:13 PM »

Hmmm that is not so hard to do.You just need a weldmachine(hm correct Word? ???)
and the Material.I think a little Garage will do that for you maybe you know a mechanic.We need for doing that only 1.5 hours.


ok. why is one longer than the other?

do they both come out on the sides?

or just one side like that?

Looking at the vid he had posted it looks like they both exit the car on the left (US driver's) side. I ha something similar in my old '78 using the old glasspacks and 2 1/2" pipe exiting just in front of the rear wheels (exiting on both sides). All I had to have done was have an exhaust shop bend the pipes (which I purposly left longer than I needed) at 45 degree angles. Then I cut them to the proper lengths (measuring and prefitting more times than I can count. lol) and mounted them up in my driveway. That's probably how I'm going to do the exhaust on The Phoenix too. Very simple and inexpensive.
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« Reply #38 on: December 01, 2007, 04:38:47 PM »

Thats right sir L Dragon.And if you use stainless steel you never ever have problems again
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« Reply #39 on: February 01, 2008, 09:33:09 AM »

Here's a few pic's of some t/a's with sidepipes, they were all the rage back then, In fact, I was going to rig up a set for my pace car back then, that and a hook show bar, and I would be cool and pick up all the chic's,  Laughing Insted, I tuned into a prick, wouldn't let the girls touch my car, had this one chic set her keys and lighter on my hood, and I grab them and toss them into the woods and said fetch fido, and left her their. LOL by the way, we were in the parks.

My 70 t/a with pipes.

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