Generation Specific => First Generation 1967-1969 => Topic started by: jmb36TA on January 10, 2018, 08:59:02 PM

Title: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 10, 2018, 08:59:02 PM
Hello all! I'm a newbie here and wanted to say hi and share my Trans Ams.
I always said if you can't afford a real one, you can always have the next best thing. This is my 69 TA Tribute. It under went a bare metal rebuild about 10 years ago. The original 350 is gone and replaced with a 400, not a Ram Air IV....YET! It sits under an original Trans Am hood. It still has the original hydromatic 2 speed tranny that is about to be replaced with a TH350. The interior is still just about perfect. The radio slot has beed mutilated but the entire carrier is sitting in my garage waiting to be installed. Other than that, it don't need anything else. Hope you enjoy the pics. I'll post more as I finish it off with the little details.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4625/39607178461_326107660d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23kX9gg)IMG_0071 (https://flic.kr/p/23kX9gg) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4618/24739248337_66de0d2f4f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DG87Cr)1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Tribute Classic Car Inspection 122 (https://flic.kr/p/DG87Cr) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4714/24739248637_ae159aa39e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DG87HB)1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Tribute Classic Car Inspection 153 (https://flic.kr/p/DG87HB) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4672/24739254867_6b1bce62e1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/DG89z2)1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Tribute Classic Car Inspection 137 (https://flic.kr/p/DG89z2) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

The side air extractors were recently made fully functional and the vents were remolded to an exact fit to the fender.

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She looks really good next to my 02 WS6, the first and last Trans Ams side by side! My dream come true!!

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: rkellerjr on January 10, 2018, 10:30:25 PM
Pictures didn't come through but welcome!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jonathonar89 on January 10, 2018, 11:01:54 PM
Pics look great!  Thanks for joining haha

OK, if you click edit post and add "~original" after where it says ".jpg", your picture will pop up.  Basically turn change the text in each link to ".jpg~original"
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 10, 2018, 11:05:05 PM
Thanks for the welcome! The pics are coming through on my end but I'll try changing it. Thanks!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 10, 2018, 11:18:51 PM
Pics look great!  Thanks for joining haha

OK, if you click edit post and add "~original" after where it says ".jpg", your picture will pop up.  Basically turn change the text in each link to ".jpg~original"


I took your advice, I hope it worked.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: T/A Addict on January 11, 2018, 04:22:24 AM
Beautiful car!! You lucky guy. It's awesome when a dream can come true!
Welcome to TAC
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on January 11, 2018, 08:01:29 AM
Welcome to TAC. Nice looking pair of 'birds. That 69 is beautiful! There are a couple of long time members who have recently started work on 69's.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 11, 2018, 09:38:21 AM
Thank you! I need to get a few more years between 69 and 02...LOL.One of each anniversary year would be nice, and a 68 that I want to go completely custom with. Don't know if I would go with a beefed up 455 for complete raw power, or drop in an LS. I got some time to make that decision though...lol.

My passion for Firebirds goes back to before high school. I've owned several over the years. My first brand new car when I was 21 was a white 88 Trans Am. Since then I've had 2 78's and a 68 Firebird that were all projects that went unfinished. I attached pics of a gold edition I saved from a junk yard that was going to part it out. I thought it might be a Y88 but after getting her home I found that it wasn't. Bummer! It still had the factory gold honeycomb wheels (I think that was the only year that they were solid gold without the silver face), Hurst 4 speed, a straight rust free body, and one gold tinted t-top. I searched high and low for another gold t-top but never found one. The build sheet was still under the back seat! Her 6.6 was strong after I rebuilt her! I did a lot of work to the interior with a new headliner and carpet. I replaced a few panels and re-pained all the panels and trim. She started looking really good. I regret not keeping her and restoring her but I got a good deal on selling her and got a brand new Harley Street Glide, can't beat that in AZ!

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: rkellerjr on January 11, 2018, 09:42:19 AM
I see them now, wow!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: Jack on January 11, 2018, 10:35:34 AM
Nice collection of birds, you just need a third gen now lol.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on January 11, 2018, 12:16:29 PM
Nice job on the 69.....I would love to do this to my 69 project as well.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on January 11, 2018, 01:09:32 PM
Ditto! Hell, i'd just like to make some progress on mine! Long winter getting longer here.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 11, 2018, 09:23:28 PM
Nice collection of birds, you just need a third gen now lol.

Thanks! Take a look at the last pic in my original post. That's my 02 next to my 69. I had the gold 78 but got rid of it a while ago. I also owned an 88, so I've owned one of each generation...lol
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 13, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
I have a window washer! After putting in new nozzles, new hoses, and taking the pump apart for a good cleaning, it works!!! It's pretty strong too, it shot over the roof and cleared the wing...LOL
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: T/A Addict on January 13, 2018, 02:38:35 PM
Getting all those small things to work is such a great treat! Congrats
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 13, 2018, 02:50:44 PM
Getting all those small things to work is such a great treat! Congrats

I know right! So little but yet so satisfying. Thanks!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: silvert/a on January 13, 2018, 08:54:08 PM
welcome to TAC. I really enjoyed the picture with both the '69 and'02.  The '69 looks like it is almost the same height as the '02. Is it? To great looking  cars just the same.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 15, 2018, 08:19:06 PM
I spent the weekend taking care of more little details. This time it was the halogen headlight breakers and fuses. The previous owner decided that the best place for them was on the fender well with the wires crossing over on top of the radiator shroud. Not very clean looking to me. It was an eye sore, I had to find another place for them.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4666/40289993591_3663a560ce_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24ohKpV)1969 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Tribute Classic Car Inspection 122 (1) (https://flic.kr/p/24ohKpV) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4663/26417465858_3bfdc3fc1d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Gfqqeh)IMG_0097 (https://flic.kr/p/Gfqqeh) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

Then I found the perfect place! There's a ton of room on the front of the core support and everything will be hidden under the filler panels. The driver's side was the first to be moved. Of course, just like any quick fix, it was time consuming but I caught a break. There were plenty of holes in the core support that were just the right size, so that meant no drilling! Some wires pulled out of their connectors due to a poor wiring job so those had to be fixed. The other side will have to wait since I need to extend the hot lead and have no wire.

New home behind the horn.

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Nice clean fender well except for a few holes that need to be filled.

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With the newly cleaned up area on top of the radiator shroud it was time to install the power steering cooling lines.

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It was a productive weekend.

Tomorrow I drop her off at the tranny shop to replace the cracked 2 speed hydromatic with a nice new TH350. It's going to have a nice shift kit and I was assured that I wouldn't be disappointed...lol
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on January 16, 2018, 07:45:14 AM
Def looks better.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 20, 2018, 04:42:50 PM
The new TH350 is installed and I'm not disappointed with the racing clutch and shift kit. It's got a nice firm shift through all the gears. I spent today finishing up moving the halogen breakers and fuses to the front of the core support, and cleaning up the engine bay a little bit. I'm very pleased with the results. I still have to get a hose clamp tool to hook up the power steering cooling lines with the factory style hose clamps.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: squirrel on January 20, 2018, 07:44:26 PM
really nice work.  i bet that heater hose loop has you tweaked.  does it require a new heater core.   
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on January 21, 2018, 01:57:49 AM
Looks good....been back and forth over whether to put that cooler on my 69....
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 21, 2018, 09:19:23 AM
really nice work.  i bet that heater hose loop has you tweaked.  does it require a new heater core.   

Thanks. I haven't had to do anything with the heater since most of the engine work was done when I got her. She was solid and mechanically sound so a majority of the work was already done. I'v been converting her to a Trans Am.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 21, 2018, 09:37:23 AM
Looks good....been back and forth over whether to put that cooler on my 69....

I wasn't sure how well the cooler worked or if it made a big difference. I've seen discussion on other forums and the common opinion was that it only benefits with road racing, so it's really a matter of choice for street driving. It was standard equipment on a Trans Am so I put it on. It's easy to install, it replaces the return line.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: Chewey on January 21, 2018, 11:47:50 AM
LOVE the 69! The mountain in the background pics of your gold T/A makes it look like the east side of Tucson...am I close?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 21, 2018, 05:17:14 PM
LOVE the 69! The mountain in the background pics of your gold T/A makes it look like the east side of Tucson...am I close?

Thanks! And good guess.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: firebirdparts on January 22, 2018, 10:49:14 AM
Welcome to TAC!  I am coming in late to the party...
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 23, 2018, 10:41:17 AM
Welcome to TAC!  I am coming in late to the party...

Thank you! Better late than never! The party never ends...lol
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 27, 2018, 08:52:13 PM
This weekends project, out with the old, in with the new. I pulled the old dash panel off to get ready to install the new one. There were a couple issues I needed to address first. Some of the dash lights aren't working, the heater controls take a lot of force to move them, and the blower doesn't always come on.

The old dash panel really don't look too bad compared to the new one except for the butchered radio slot. I think I can make it look better and try to get something for it.

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Why do people have to f**k s**t up so bad? How am I supposed to install a radio now? This is going to take some creative thinking. I'm leaning towards getting an original factory radio, even if I don't hook it up, and put a blue tooth system in the glove box. But it would be nice to have a working factory AM/FM radio!

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This could explain why the lights aren't working...

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I have no idea how all the grit and grime got under the dash but I found out why I could hardly move the heater levers. A little brake cleaner, a rag, and a little grease and they move like new. I'm confident that the cleaner connection will always turn on the blower. I chewed up the lever knobs pretty bad trying to get them off the levers, and the face plate was all faded and scratched up so I got those things on order with a new circuit for the gauges.

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That's better!

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All in all it's really no too bad behind there. I've seen worse.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on January 28, 2018, 05:17:54 PM
Yeah, just finished doing what I can to tidy up my 69's dash insert....radio area and clock blank hacked up.....fixed both. I'm going to have to run some ground wires to replace some of the damaged copper ground straps on the back of the dash as well. Don't know what some people are thinking.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on January 29, 2018, 06:36:34 AM
Good to see I'm not the only one struggling with those same issues. I too have a new, well newer, dash and at some point in the future am going to have to decide what to do with the big hole for the radio. One year only so used ones are very expensive, and then they are 50 year old pieces of junk for the most part. I replace the circuit too and all the light will work when connected to power. Man! I'm so far away from putting that back together, depressing! Good luck and i look forward to following your progress for my own reference. Thanks for doing that.
Joe
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on January 29, 2018, 07:42:07 AM
I have hacked up my share of dashes installing aftermarket radios. Crutchfield had a kit to cover anything up. It is amazing at how much dirt and dust can accumulate over the years. I think that has a lot to do with the nasty "old car smell".  People will restore a car, maybe reuse the interior or at least seat foam and to me it still smell moldy and stinky.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 29, 2018, 09:13:43 AM
I'm sure everybody who works on projects like these has to deal with these issues! LOL
I've been looking online for some original radios and there's a lot of AM radios out there for reasonable prices which isn't a bad way to go if you're only using it for looks. But finding a working AM/FM radio is a shot in the dark and costs a small fortune. During my searching I came across an original clock! I was all over that till I saw the price, $500! I'll be leaving the cover panel in for now. What I would prefer is the stacked gauges though, those are nice. I've seen new reproductions online but they all come as part of a package with the tach and the whole cluster for around $750.

On a somewhat good note, I noticed that the dash wasn't cut away around the radio, it was actually just bent back out of the way to make room for whatever they needed all that room for. I straightened it up as best as I could. It's still not usable in that condition but at least I have a guide to use as a template to fab a new support. It's gonna take some thinking but it's definitely possible.

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This is the radio that came with the car but still requires cutting the dash. That's not something I really want to do. It looks new and has an auxiliary input for an iPod which is cool. Maybe I mount this one in the glove box and run a cord under the carpet to the console for my iPod or phone.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on January 29, 2018, 05:01:07 PM
One of the hardest things for me to find when i did my resto was the radio. I looked for about 3 years off and on until i got lucky. I didn't want to pay a ridiculous price. Finally found one on cl from a guy who bought a 76 TA new, and took the radio out as soon as he got the car. It was practically brand new with a complete harness. And he didn't price it like it was gold.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: FormTA on January 29, 2018, 05:13:31 PM
I have to look, but somewhere I have two center sections of the dash from 67/68 Camaros. I don't think they are the same as the 69 but the radio area may be. I'll have to go digging in my shop attic and see what I have.

Keep at those small projects. That's how you need to tackle these cars, one project at a time. Looking real good.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on January 30, 2018, 06:35:19 AM
From what I've seen 69 was a one year only for the radios. Unless you cut that bar others won't fit. I don't even know if say a 68 or 67 would fit if you did cut the bar. Anybody have experience with that?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 30, 2018, 08:46:27 AM
I have to look, but somewhere I have two center sections of the dash from 67/68 Camaros. I don't think they are the same as the 69 but the radio area may be. I'll have to go digging in my shop attic and see what I have.

Keep at those small projects. That's how you need to tackle these cars, one project at a time. Looking real good.

The radio section might work with some modification. They both used Delco radios so it's possible. I'd have to find pictures and do a side by side comparison and get some measurement.

Seems like there's always a little project lingering around. We're never completely done are we?  lol

Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 30, 2018, 08:56:03 AM
From what I've seen 69 was a one year only for the radios. Unless you cut that bar others won't fit. I don't even know if say a 68 or 67 would fit if you did cut the bar. Anybody have experience with that?

That's correct, 69 was a one year only radio and they're not easy to find. I've seen so many for sale advertised for Camaro and Firebird but the model number shows otherwise. Not everything was interchangeable between the 2 but I don't know what the differences are between the 2 radios. I don't want to cut the bar, I'm trying to get it back as original as possible.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 01, 2018, 12:59:19 PM
So here's the template I cut for the radio. It looks like it will work. I'll have transfer it to metal, get it to fit right, and figure out how I want to attach it to then dash. Either sheet metal screws or a couple tack welds. The radio I have is so close to fitting the dash panel. So close yet so far.  :sad:

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I got everything cleaned up and put in the new dash. That's a good looking dash! The circuits were definitely the problem with the gauges. They all work now but one of the bulb sockets got busted. It fell off the work bench and I backed up and stepped on it. Just my luck! It's always something isn't it? LOL! Oh well, I decided to order a new lighter housing and heating element since the old ones were rusted didn't work. Another little detail checked off. Once those parts come in the dash goes back in the car, minus a radio. I needed new heater control knobs too but those can go on after the dash is installed.

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Nice new heater control face...


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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on February 01, 2018, 02:53:10 PM
That looks great! Any pictures from the backside? You will have to take the whole thing off again when you put a radio in, right?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 01, 2018, 03:21:50 PM
That looks great! Any pictures from the backside? You will have to take the whole thing off again when you put a radio in, right?

I'll snap a pic of the back and post it tonight.
I took the old radio out without removing the dash so a new one should go in the same way. Maybe just remove the ash tray for a little more room.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 01, 2018, 05:33:32 PM
Here are a few pics of the back of the dash panel...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4615/38480052530_a0fd04d17f_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21CmjZy)IMG_0161 (https://flic.kr/p/21CmjZy) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4617/39392419935_44bdbd9ee0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/231Ys34)IMG_0162 (https://flic.kr/p/231Ys34) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4657/40289991981_617dffd159_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24ohJWa)IMG_0163 (https://flic.kr/p/24ohJWa) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

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I highly recommend these LEDs for the gauges. I replaced all mine and plugged in the gauges with the new circuits and they shine BRIGHT! The speedo doesn't have that dingy yellow look to it, it's bright white. I got enough for the gauges, heater, and shift indicator. I may do the curtesy and dome lights too. I'll post some pics when I get her all back together, but I don't have any before pictures to compare them to.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4664/39392419665_00fe2c2f48_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/231YrXp)IMG_0165 (https://flic.kr/p/231YrXp) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: T/A Addict on February 02, 2018, 04:10:05 AM
.... shoulda put those bulbs in mine when I had the dash apart! Dumba$$
Got pics yet of it lit up?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on February 02, 2018, 06:56:58 AM
Thanks! Those are great pictures! I put the LEDs in my 79 a few years ago, they are much better. I put them in my 69 along with a new circuit and just connected to my battery charger. Much better than before. I'm a long way off from re-assembling my dash but i'm going to try to remember your pictures for reference. I need new floor pans so it will be a while. Thanks again.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 02, 2018, 08:50:03 AM
.... shoulda put those bulbs in mine when I had the dash apart! Dumba$$
Got pics yet of it lit up?

I'll post some pics after I get it all together when it's all nice and pretty...lol
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 02, 2018, 09:08:37 AM
Thanks! Those are great pictures! I put the LEDs in my 79 a few years ago, they are much better. I put them in my 69 along with a new circuit and just connected to my battery charger. Much better than before. I'm a long way off from re-assembling my dash but i'm going to try to remember your pictures for reference. I need new floor pans so it will be a while. Thanks again.

Wow you have a long way to go! Post some pics of your progress I'd like to check it out. Glad those pictures help. This is a great place to look for references and help. Everybody is helpful.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 02, 2018, 09:21:47 AM
Last night I tackled another electrical issue while the dash is out. My triple gauge cluster wasn't lighting up and the amp gauge didn't work. I'm not really an electrical guy so after finally finding a diagram on how to connect the wires I was able to make some progress, only to find that the gauge didn't work and the light behind the oil gauge also didn't work. These are sealed gauges so I can't change the bulbs. I'm not sure if I want to replace them or just remove them completely. If I replace them I want to go with something that looks like it came out of the 60s or 70s, not these new ones with the fancy faces. I was looking online to see if I can find something with a black face, white type, and a white dial to match the dash gauges. All I can find like that had the temp in celsius. What's up with that? That means one more thing on the to do list before the dash goes in if I decide to replace them.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4716/40289991721_185f53ea80_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24ohJRF)IMG_0166 (https://flic.kr/p/24ohJRF) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on February 02, 2018, 10:18:38 PM
Nice job on the dash....I'm going to have to go LED lights in mine before I put it back in the car. Interesting that your dash is vac chromed....mines just black plastic.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 03, 2018, 10:34:48 AM
Nice job on the dash....I'm going to have to go LED lights in mine before I put it back in the car. Interesting that your dash is vac chromed....mines just black plastic.

Thanks. I was curious about the back too. Not sure what the purpose of that is.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 04, 2018, 10:54:00 PM
So, you know how when you start one project it leads to another, and then another? I took the dash panel off to look for why the indicator lights on the gauges didn't work, then it led to trying to figure out how to hook up the triple gauge cluster lights while I had unrestricted access to the wiring. Today I decided to do a little investigating as to why my heater core was bypassed. Keep in mind that I live in AZ and really don't use heat in the car very often. But the core being bypassed and capped off has been on my mind as to why. I wasn't sure if it was leaking, or plugged, or whatever. A friend told me to just get a hose and hook it up, chances are that there's nothing wrong. I'm glad I went with my gut. I pulled it out today and here's what I found...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4607/40289991631_4bb04beab1_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24ohJQ8)IMG_0176 (https://flic.kr/p/24ohJQ8) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4661/39392419555_a4cc4b036b_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/231YrVv)IMG_0177 (https://flic.kr/p/231YrVv) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4618/40289991541_87d128c002_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24ohJNz)IMG_0178 (https://flic.kr/p/24ohJNz) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

Glad I went with my gut!! Looks like it's been leaking for a while and that's why it was bypassed.

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It's not as bad as it looks, it's all surface rust. I'll clean it off with some sand paper and scratch pad, spray some rust encapsulator on it, hit it with a coat of black paint and it'll be like new. Needles to say, a new core is going to have to be ordered along with a complete seal kit to replace the old dried out ones. Just not sure if I should go with an aluminum core or a correct copper/brass one. Really don't think it'll matter.

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And then there's this...what's with the big glob of solder on the tip of the antenna plug???

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4758/39392419595_f8f8aa779d_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/231YrWc)IMG_0167 (https://flic.kr/p/231YrWc) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on February 05, 2018, 09:21:55 AM
The backside of my dash is shiny chrome too. I know it is an after market one because the po gave me the original, that he cut the radio bar on, and it's black. Who knows why! I'm not very good at keeping up with pictures and have no idea how you guys get them here, yours are nicer anyway!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 05, 2018, 08:26:02 PM
That's much better. Once the core gets here it'll all go back together again and the new dash panel will finally be installed.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4713/39578608564_492365f759_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23iqHqQ)IMG_0195 (https://flic.kr/p/23iqHqQ) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4770/39392419295_798f9ee083_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/231YrR2)IMG_0194 (https://flic.kr/p/231YrR2) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 09, 2018, 07:47:42 PM
Looks like Christmas all over again!  :D
Gonna be a busy weekend putting the dash together.

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Found one last piece I had to order. A nice new Kenwood front speaker.

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Brand new Stewart Warner Deluxe gauges...

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That's a pretty sight...

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: silvert/a on February 11, 2018, 11:56:45 AM
Just need some stick on wood grain and it'll look like the old ones. (gauges )
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 11, 2018, 07:58:02 PM
Just need some stick on wood grain and it'll look like the old ones. (gauges )

These are much better gauges and have a classic look to them. I like the white numbers and white needle to match the speedo. No wood grain! Lol. I want it to match the dash with a black face and chrome edge. The chrome rings on a black face around the black gauges will look awesome.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on February 12, 2018, 06:48:48 AM
HVAC looks great.  8)
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on February 12, 2018, 07:05:34 AM
Looking good! Curious to see how the speaker setup works for you. The previous owner of mine had speakers started in the kick panels. Not sure what i'm going to do when, if, i get to that point but you are going way faster than i am. I spent yesterday cutting and struggling with mis-matched, stripped, rusted bolts on the front end! What a pain! And, apparently the car had been in a front end accident at one time which explains a few of the parts not lining up. Luckily my son knows more than me about auto body and comes over once in a while to keep me going! Anyway, your project is looking great, keep up the good work. Joe
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 12, 2018, 08:53:10 AM
 It took my a good chunk of the day figuring out how to hook up the extra gauges since I'm really not a wiring guy, but I finally figured it out after blowing quite a few fuses...lol. The oil and water temp are working! In hind sight I should have gotten an oil pressure gauge instead of temp. I still have to hook up the amps. I realized it's the reason I kept blowing fuses. I had them all ground together but that one doesn't get ground, it hooks up to a positive and negative post on a relay or the starter solenoid. I have to replace my positive battery cable so that's when I'll try wiring that gauge.

Once I get new fuses I'll be able to see my dash all lit up for the first time. It's all starting to come back together...

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 12, 2018, 08:59:29 AM
Looking good! Curious to see how the speaker setup works for you. The previous owner of mine had speakers started in the kick panels. Not sure what i'm going to do when, if, i get to that point but you are going way faster than i am. I spent yesterday cutting and struggling with mis-matched, stripped, rusted bolts on the front end! What a pain! And, apparently the car had been in a front end accident at one time which explains a few of the parts not lining up. Luckily my son knows more than me about auto body and comes over once in a while to keep me going! Anyway, your project is looking great, keep up the good work. Joe

Thank you! I'm curious to see how the speaker works myself. I still have to figure out my radio set up first. This is a 120 watt with a 1 1/8" tweeter Kenwood and bolted right into position with a new bracket. It should be a good speaker by itself. I had to put a new one in since the dash panel was off, it's the easiest way, and probably the only way, to get at it. It's always good to know a good body man that you don't have to pay!  LOL  Good luck with that front end and post some pics of your progress.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 15, 2018, 08:31:36 AM
I think I figured out my radio Dilemma. I made a template to fab a glove box mount but decided to go a different route. I'm going to go with a retrosound radio that fits in the factory radio slot without having to cut the bar out. It's a nice radio with blue tooth, 2 USB ports, 2 auxiliary ports and is ipohone/ipad ready. I'm putting my current Custom Autosound radio up on ebay to raise a little extra cash. It's a good looking radio with an auxiliary port in back for an mp3 player. And it works good...

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4715/25415478487_714a1dfc77_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EHSYhX)IMG_0216 (https://flic.kr/p/EHSYhX) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4616/25415481677_47a923e2f0_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/EHSZeX)IMG_0209 (https://flic.kr/p/EHSZeX) by jmbruno3 (https://www.flickr.com/photos/27474248@N02/), on Flickr
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 15, 2018, 08:32:54 AM
WHAT HAPPENED TO ALL MY PHOTOS!? I can't see them, can anyone else see them on their end?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on February 15, 2018, 08:42:24 AM
I cannot see them. Did you pay PB?  I know they pulled a fast one awhile ago trying to extort everyone but figured that issue had been resolve.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on February 15, 2018, 08:49:17 AM
There was a cheat code out at one time and I tirelessly went through my restoration thread and put all my photos back up. I just check and they have all been blocked again. I have been using flickr since the whole PB debacle started with success. I think its actually easier, especially if you have their app on a smart phone.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 15, 2018, 09:12:38 AM
I have been using PB but have not paid for their add free service. I don't know what their issue is today but it's supposed to be free and I have used them in the past on other forums with no issues. I'll have to look into Flicker and try to remember which pics I posted. What a pain in the ass. It would be easier to be able to upload directly from your computer. Thanks Roadking.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on February 15, 2018, 10:20:21 AM
I think a lot of the guys here and other forums from what I understand used PB. It WAS free, but I think last fall sometime they sent out a mass email to their subscribers that their new policy was something like a $400 a year subscription. Shortly after that anyone with a PB link had them blocked like your pics above. A cheat code became available and with a few clicks the old photos could be restored. I see now that they have figured that out and these photos have now been blocked as well. I switched to flkr at that point. If you have a smart phone, download their app. When you take a pic you hit the share and a link will come up for flikr. Hit ok twice and its downloaded, that simple. As far as putting the pics into TAC, its pretty similar to what PB was.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 15, 2018, 01:25:45 PM
I got Flicker figured out, now I have to go back and upload all the photos again  :sad:
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 18, 2018, 10:20:19 AM
I have a complete interior again!  :D
After all that time and work it really don't look any different than before, except for the clean radio slot. That will be filled soon, I have a few things selling on eBay to raise the money for a new one. I'm still waiting for the gauges that I exchanged but the wiring is set up and they'll just plug in. The LED's look great back there! I need a few more for the heater controls, shift indicator, and courtesy lamps.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on February 20, 2018, 10:51:19 AM
Oh my god! I'm jealous! Nice work and way to keep at it. I'm not even going to try to put pictures on here, plus, I'm not very good at keeping track of my projects with pictures. I wish I did, because I'm old and forgetful, but I don't.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on February 21, 2018, 12:55:55 PM
That looks terrific.....those LEDs are excellent!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 21, 2018, 08:09:05 PM
That looks terrific.....those LEDs are excellent!

Thanks mate! I'm so happy with it and can't wait to get a radio to complete the interior.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 21, 2018, 08:25:13 PM
The replacement gauges came in today! Now I have the water temp, oil pressure, and volts. I think this is the best set up. I hooked them up and they look great, especially all lit up. I still have to mount the housing to the dash and that project will done.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on February 25, 2018, 01:35:34 PM
Nice and bright....Volts is a more useful instrument than an ammeter, and less likely to cause a fire......lol.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 25, 2018, 02:08:33 PM
Nice and bright....Volts is a more useful instrument than an ammeter, and less likely to cause a fire......lol.

That's a good thing because I don't want that kind of "fire"bird...LOL
Bet nobody has aver heard that before  :-P
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: DD78TA on February 26, 2018, 07:15:47 AM
Looks like you are doing a very nice job. Really appreciate the pictures. I am starting to "freshen" a 69 that was restored 20 years ago. The service manual doesn't seem as good for the 69 as it was on my 78 TA. I have a few questions I need to get posted.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on February 26, 2018, 10:48:44 AM
Boy I agree with your comment about the service manual. I bought the Fisher body manual. Not much help for my problems, guess in 69 the people they were intended for were already pretty knowledgeable about the cars. Me, I'm learning on the fly! I too am learning a lot from the posted pictures and appreciate them!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 26, 2018, 11:42:22 AM
I'm glad the pictures help, that's why I post them. I have a digital copy of the service manual and a hard copy of the assembly manual and I refer to them both all the time. The assembly manual has a lot of info you won't find in the service manual. It helped my with the size and location of the holes to make the air extractor functional. It also showed that the indents on the fender are supposed to be painted black behind the extractors which is something I never knew. And it gives the exact location of the Trans Am fender decal so there was no guesswork.

Here's a link to another forum with links to download the assembly manual.

http://www.firebirdnation.com/forums/topic/526913-69-firebird-assembly-manual/
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on February 27, 2018, 02:32:04 AM
Agree, you really need all three manuals together to get a reasonable coverage of tech on the 69's.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 01, 2018, 10:50:03 PM
I had to do a quick modification tonight. I just couldn't get used to the chrome gauge mount. It just didn't look right in the car. I wanted something with more of a classic look. I saw an old Stewart Warner mount that had a black wrinkle finish to it. That was an easy modification with a little twist of my own to match the rest of the dash panel. I masked off a 1/8" border of the chrome and sprayed the wrinkle paint. It left a perfect chrome border that looks bad ass with the chrome gauges and matches the rest of the dash perfect. It looks like it could have come from the factory that way. This is a set up I can be proud to show off, much better than plane ol chrome.

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I'll post some pics after they're installed. I'm waiting on my new radio and rear speakers first. I'll need the room under the dash to install those before the gauges go back in. Once that's done and the gauges are in the dash will be complete!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on March 02, 2018, 06:36:55 AM
Definitely an upgrade! Nice work. Should blend in nicely with the dash.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on March 02, 2018, 01:21:32 PM
The chrome has a good "day 2" look about it, but the black will improve it by 1000%.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: FormTA on March 02, 2018, 02:53:35 PM
100% better! Good thinking and great execution.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 02, 2018, 08:39:36 PM
Thanks for the compliments guys!

The final wiring is all cleaned up on the gauges. The only wires left are the sending units and leads for the volts. Those will be hooked up during the final installation. My new radio arrived today so that's going to be tomorrow's project, and the new rear speakers arrive Monday. I'm going to have to pull the package tray to cut holes for the speakers since it's a solid tray. It's gonna be a fun weekend!

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 04, 2018, 12:15:50 PM
So I got my Retro Sound Redondo RS radio and rear speakers. I worked on it all day yesterday and really wish I took more picture right from the start. The radio is like nothing I've ever installed before. I was expecting a single unit that fit right in but that's not the case. This radio comes in pieces, literally! The radio box and wiring is one piece, the display face is another piece, the push buttons are another piece and the shafts are 2 other pieces. It comes with brackets to move everything forward, backwards, left, and right to custom fit. I have a set of Firebird radio knobs on order from Classic Industries since Retro Manufacturing didn't have a set to match the original. The unfortunate thing about it is that the best and easiest way to get everything to line up and fit properly was had to remove the dash panel yet once again. But it's well worth it to get that original fit. And it's easier to do the wiring and hook up the front speaker. There's a lot of wiring behind the radio. It has wires for Sirius XM, 2 USB ports, 2 Aux ports, a bluetooth speaker, and all the power and speaker wires. It's gonna be a mess back there!...LOL. But it's well worth it and it looks awesome once everything is in place.

I got some work to do for the rear speakers since there are none in there now. The package tray is going to have to be removed to cut the holes for the new Pioneers and speaker wire is going to have to be run. So that means it's time to remove the rear interior. I ordered some reproduction rear speaker covers from Classic Industries that should be here Tuesday with the radio knobs. It should all be finished, installed, and complete by next weekend.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 04, 2018, 09:37:04 PM
So the rear speaker installation begins. Since the package tray didn't have speaker cut outs the first thing I had to do was to remove it. And that meant pulling the rear seat and 2 panels. It was easy to run the speaker wires with the dash panel off and the speakers will go in easy with the seat out.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4661/40582980872_8c6cf6ba1f_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24QbojL)

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I was please to find that there were already holes in the speaker shelf for the speakers. I punched holes up through the sill plate and removed it. The speakers came with a template that I traced and cut out. They fit and look great. I have to get some spacers to mount them because the speaker shelf doesn't have full cut outs which I think is weird. You can see what I'm talking about in the pictures. So instead of cutting the shelf I'm just going to put spacers between the shelf and speakers to lower them about a half inch.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4651/40582978612_a0fd4f52fa_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24QbnDN)

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: DD78TA on March 07, 2018, 06:30:52 AM
Looks great. Also looks like better reach through access from the back seat vs. the second gen set up making it an easier one man job. I will be doing the same. It's hard to believe that when these cars were built rear speakers weren't really a thing yet.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 08, 2018, 11:28:02 AM
Looks great. Also looks like better reach through access from the back seat vs. the second gen set up making it an easier one man job. I will be doing the same. It's hard to believe that when these cars were built rear speakers weren't really a thing yet.

Thanks. It's was very easy to install being able reach through into the trunk. Rear speakers might not have been the thing yet but the holes were drilled out to install them. That was nice.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 08, 2018, 11:44:05 AM
So while waiting for missing brackets for the radio to be delivered, and looking at the radio for a few days, I realized something was missing. Then I realized what it was. It was the dial and numbers. There are a few places that sell "screen savers" with the numbers but none matched a 1969 Delco Pontiac face. So I decided to make my own and it don't look too bad!

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4773/25822690037_76e7d4786c_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FkS36K)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4801/38883510050_d6c4807d12_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22f19RG)

I printed it with a black face but when I take it to be printed on vinyl it'll be white numbers on a clear background and adhere to the back of the supplied faceplate. I even added a little drop shadow behind the dial indicator to give it that 3D look. When the radio is on and the screen lights up you won't even see the numbers. I found some original dials and tuning knobs on Ebay so it will be an all original look. I'm hoping to get it all together this weekend. It's gonna look awesome!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on March 10, 2018, 03:32:18 PM
Very nicely done....great detail work.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 11, 2018, 09:27:28 PM
I got the missing pieces for the radio and had to take it apart to switch to the correct face and button bracket. I snapped a quick pic of it disassembled. You can see the old brackets on the radio box. The correct ones have an extension so the push buttons mount further forward than the radio faceplate. This allows them to stick out further when it's mounted. The original radio buttons weren't flush with the dash panel, they were extended out for easier operation. It might be a little hard to tell, but if you look at my previous pic of the radio mocked up in the dash panel with the old brackets, you can see that the buttons are flush with the trim. There's a lot of extra wires back there! 2 USB ports, 2 aux input ports, power antenna plug, plug for a bluetooth microphone, sub woofer plug, and amp plug.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4780/40049103644_5179804837_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24218dY)

The trunk divider came in and is installed, the speakers are installed, the repro speaker grills are painted and installed (they were bare metal), and the rear seat is back in. I had a little issue with the radio dial sticker I made up, the ink smeared off so I have to have those re-done. I'm waiting for the dash pad mounting plugs to come in so I can completely secure the dash panel to the dash pad. There's nothing for the upper screws to screw into without them. I though I would have it all together this weekend but it looks like It's gonna be another few days. It gives me time to fit he original radio dials and knobs I found on eBay. It's gonna take some filing the hole for the the "SELECT" knob since it don't fit the new shaft. It needs to look like the hole in the "TONE" knob.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4773/40716387822_57ed6366f3_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/252Y8yA)

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 15, 2018, 09:12:16 PM
Well tonight was radio night. It took me a while to find a file to file the hole on the select knob to fit the shaft. I found a nice little hobby kit with several files from flat to half round. It took a while but they were perfect for what I needed and the knob fits perfect!

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/806/39939522725_f6273c3546_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23RjuCM)

The next thing to figure out was what to do with the volume and tuning dials since the shaft was round and the holes in the dials were "D" shaped. I was going to drill out the holes to make the round but it was actually easier to flatten out one side of the shaft to make it fit the dial. It's very soft and took a few seconds to flatten it out. Now the dials fit nice and snug. Another perfect fit.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/806/39939523545_07786990d7_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23RjuSV)

Then I moved to the face. I had to have the stickers made a few times to get it right and get the right look with the red dial indicator. I finally decided to make the face sticker without the dial and use a piece of red pinstripe vinyl for the dial indicator. The numbers went on the screen, and the dial went on the clear face plate. Now it looks like a real radio face with the dial in front of the face. The numbers scratched a little bit but it gives it a bit of a warn look, not sure if I'll keep it like that of replace it a little more carefully.

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4773/39024060420_73fc631634_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22sqvzW)

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/822/39024059220_bda1e72273_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/22sqvef)

Here's the complete radio...

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I'm waiting for a new gauge light socket to be delivered since I broke one when I removed the dash. They're being discontinued from Classic Industries so I ordered several of them. They're being delivered tomorrow so everything will go back in this weekend for the last time.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: FormTA on March 16, 2018, 04:42:15 AM
Radio looks awesome! Great job, love the detail.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 16, 2018, 08:11:38 AM
Radio looks awesome! Great job, love the detail.

Thanks! Can't wait to get it back together this weekend.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 17, 2018, 04:04:13 PM
Well, it's done! Got the radio and gauges installed today and the dash is all buttoned up for the last time. There's nothing left to do back there. It was a long project and the results are well worth it, and it was fun!

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Just one more little interior detail...

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on March 18, 2018, 07:54:40 AM
Looks great...you'd think it was stock.  :cool:
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on March 18, 2018, 09:04:37 AM
Radio looks fantastic!  And, I'm glad you got a new wheel.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 18, 2018, 10:24:24 AM
Thank you. I was going for that stock look and that's why I got the wood wheel. I actually found it on eBay, it's an exact replica. The guy was selling it because he found an original for his show GTO. I snagged it for $170.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 21, 2018, 08:06:31 PM
One more detail checked off. My interior is almost complete.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/822/26075639567_e4800a9272_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/FJdtbx)

...and one complete Grant steering wheel going on eBay for sale.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: FormTA on March 21, 2018, 08:42:13 PM
Wow! What a transformation! I think it looks fantastic. Great job.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on March 22, 2018, 11:24:11 AM
Turned out nice. I know you have things stock, but me being a woodworker by trade, would have thought that Pontiac should've used the same type of wood for the wheel and the console. You have made a great improvement though.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 22, 2018, 08:07:29 PM
Turned out nice. I know you have things stock, but me being a woodworker by trade, would have thought that Pontiac should've used the same type of wood for the wheel and the console. You have made a great improvement though.

Thank you. You would have thought Pontiac would have done that. My console is currently covered in vinyl. It was a quick cheap fix for the 3 different color console pieces that were put together. It's on my "fix it" list when I figure out what I want to do. I want the dash to match the console so that means I'm going to do them both at the same time. I've seen vinyl kits online but I don't know if I want vinyl. I've been playing around with hydro dipping and found a good film and paint combination that looks really close to the original. The problem is masking and dipping the dash carrier. On top of that, it would retain the pebble finish. I have some ideas I'm gonna play around with though. I think it's gonna work out beautifully once I start working on it.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on March 23, 2018, 06:52:06 AM
Hydro dipping is pretty awesome, I would love to have something done, just haven't found the right thing to do.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 23, 2018, 08:05:13 AM
My intention was to hydro dip the console from the beginning. I've been practicing on anything I can find from a model car body to the pick guard on my bass guitar, both are now a burl wood finish...lol. Once I get it perfected and get a big enough bin or tank to do the dash I may keep going with it and offer my services if anyone else wants their console updated, or anything else. I don't know of anybody else doing it where I live.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on March 23, 2018, 09:18:38 AM
That's pretty cool that you can do your own. There is supposed to be guy about a mile down the road from that does it but I have never talked to him. The next closest place I know that does it is my powder coat guy about an hour or so away. He has done some crazy things with it.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 24, 2018, 09:06:32 AM
I always like to try something myself first just as long as it's something that can easily be done over if I screw it up...lol. Hydro dipping is actually easy and I found a place online the sells kits with the film, activator, paint, and clear coat. Plus I watched a lot of different youtube videos which really helped.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: squirrel on March 24, 2018, 05:02:27 PM
just took that same grant steering wheel off my 76 mustang cobra ii and installed an original oem unit. 

really makes a difference.  good work.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: DD78TA on March 25, 2018, 05:49:26 AM
It all looks very nice and the PMD wheel sets it off. Anything complicated about the steering wheel swap? Mine has the deluxe 3 horn button style and I'd like to do that too.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 25, 2018, 09:37:12 AM
It all looks very nice and the PMD wheel sets it off. Anything complicated about the steering wheel swap? Mine has the deluxe 3 horn button style and I'd like to do that too.

There was nothing complicated at all, it was pretty straight forward. I had to get some replacement parts from Classic Industries like the turn signal cancel switch, horn contact and the wheel cap. The swap took about 20 minutes once I had everything.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 29, 2018, 11:44:35 AM
I'm on to my next project, that is to get rid of the vinyl on the console and replace it with the correct color burlwood finish. I'm going to do the dash too. The problem with the dash is that a vinyl covering would show the pebble finish through it. The correct way to do it is to use a metal backing and adhere it to the dash, that's how the factory did it. The only way to get the factory piece is to try to find an original dash with the burl wood finish still in tact. Then you'll pay a few hundred dollars for it. No thanks. It's taken me some time to figure out the best way to make a template to transfer to metal. I tried making a paper template to transfer to cardboard, then to metal and it just wasn't working.The biggest issue is that the face is recessed in the panel making it hard to trace it. Then I realized that the dash itself can be used as it's own mold. I picked up some resin and did a test on my old dash carrier to see if it would work, and it was perfect! no tracing, no trying to make it fit, and no guesswork. I could have used the resin template as the actual piece but it was way too thick in some areas and way to thin in others. So I traced it onto sheet metal and began cutting it out. Now I have the backing I need to hydro dip. Got a car show this weekend but it won't be done in time so I'm going to work on it next week after the show.

Ain't no better mold than the piece itself.

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Here's the fit after the excess was trimmed off...

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A perfect fit.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jk79ta on March 29, 2018, 12:58:51 PM
That is genius! What kind of resin did you use? and mold release? Nice work.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 29, 2018, 02:05:59 PM
That is genius! What kind of resin did you use? and mold release? Nice work.

I got the resin through a company called Alimilite. I would recommend the slow set 7 which takes a little longer to set and gives you more work time. I used the regular and it literally set and dried as I was pouring it! They have a release called Stoner which is what I used. It came right out with no problems.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on March 31, 2018, 07:01:05 AM
That is a cool idea...the aquadip will work well on it!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on April 03, 2018, 08:11:08 AM
A couple quick fixes...

POWER BRAKES!!!  :D

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Original valve covers that look so much better and cleaner than the aftermarket finned ones...

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on April 03, 2018, 10:17:39 AM
I like what your doing. Cant wait to see the dash when its done. I wonder if the release agent "stoner" is a corporate name. There is a company about half hour away in the amish country side that makes chemical products, and windshield cleaners. Stoner is the brand name/name of the company.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on April 12, 2018, 08:14:09 AM
Big ticket items are starting to arrive. There's still some pieces on back order and some pieces that I have to find. I have to have the underside of my hood painted black before I can install it.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: Jack on April 12, 2018, 02:57:11 PM
Nice and shiny engine bay... looking real good.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: 76455sd on April 12, 2018, 03:53:36 PM
I'm surprised the Craftsman stool was a big ticket item.  Sears is going out so I'd expect it to be pretty cheap.   :grin:

j/k  The parts look very nice.  it'll only improve the already great looking engine bay.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on April 12, 2018, 05:19:40 PM
I'm surprised the Craftsman stool was a big ticket item.  Sears is going out so I'd expect it to be pretty cheap.   :grin:

j/k  The parts look very nice.  it'll only improve the already great looking engine bay.

It was a big ticket addition to my garage! Now my lazy ass don't have to stand in front of my work bench all day long...LOL

Thanks. I always loved the look of the Ram Air IV set up. It has such a unique look and really dresses up the engine bay. Not to mention it's performance benefits.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: DD78TA on April 13, 2018, 06:05:39 AM
Two follow up questions:

1) do the dash LEDs dim? and if not, are you okay with the brightness, and,
2) where did you get them / do you have bulb number?

Thanks, DD
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on April 13, 2018, 07:58:01 AM
Two follow up questions:

1) do the dash LEDs dim? and if not, are you okay with the brightness, and,
2) where did you get them / do you have bulb number?

Thanks, DD

The LEDs do not dim, they are either on or off and they're no too bright for me. They're no brighter than a new car. I plan on changing the light for the heater control and shift indicator but haven't gotten around to it yet. I got them through Classic Industries because I placed a big order through them. Their part number is LE194W but you can get them at Autozone, Pep Boys or probably any other auto parts store. They'll be able to help you choose the right bulb.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: DD78TA on April 13, 2018, 08:25:17 AM
Thanks a lot!!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on April 13, 2018, 01:00:25 PM
Thanks a lot!!

No problem, I'm happy to help  :cool:
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on April 15, 2018, 09:45:23 AM
So yesterday I did a much needed modification. Several months ago I switched out the T handle shift knob to the wooden one with the push button. I didn't know at the time that the shift lever was different to accept the wooden one. The t handle was held on with a set screw and the wood is held on with C clips. Well, there were no groves on the lever for the clips to go in so I tried cutting some in with a pipe cutter. It worked ok but they were not wide enough or deep enough for a good hold. Every now and then the whole knob popped off as I shifted...lol. There's also a little guide ring that slides into some groves at the top of the lever and keeps the knob from turning. Those groves weren't on the lever either so I never used the ring. I also swapped the transmission form the 2 speed to a 3 speed. The detent plate only locked into drive and 2nd so the detent for the low gear was missing. No big deal since it still shifted into low if I wanted to but I didn't like it not locking. I have been looking around for a while of a 3 speed shifter with the wood knob to drop in and replace the 2 speed t handle. No happening for under $300. Then I found that I can replace the detent plate, that kit casts around $100 And rivets had to be drilled out and the new plates screws in.

First thing to do was pull the shifter and clean it up...

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You can see the 2 groves for the C clamps that I cut in with the pipe cutter
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Disassembled..
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All clean...
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You can see the slots I cut in for the guide ring at the top of the shifter and the wider deeper groves for the C clamp...
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/807/41473221161_1e0362a540.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26bR6Kg) 

I forgot to take pictures of the guide ring in place. This is the guide ring so you can see how it needs the slots to slide over the shaft. The notch the on the outside goes around a pin on the inside of the shift knob and that prevents it from spinning.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/806/39665389270_e6e205008e.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/23r6uiU)

I was able to use my Dremel tool to grind out the additional detent for low gear. It wasn't very difficult and it saved me $100 and drilling out the rivets. Of course I didn't take a picture of it but you can see it in the second picture. The first picture shows the difference in the detent plate. Going from a 2 speed to a three speed is a very simple modification that took about a minute to do.

Here you can see the additional notch for the three speed...
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/864/26602325527_ab3f33aa73.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/GwKSyX)

It took hardly any time to notch the detent and now I have a solid low gear...
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/890/40759879494_cabc66beac.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/256P381)

All together, looking and working like new, and best of all it keeps $300 bucks in my pocket!
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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on April 15, 2018, 10:16:22 AM
Nice job.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on April 15, 2018, 03:40:29 PM
Almost forgot about the USB port in the console. Since I had the console out I decided to run the line under the carpet and up through the screw hole, that way I didn't have to cut into the console.
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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: Jack on April 15, 2018, 05:04:51 PM
Where did you plug the charger and how did you run the cable (USB side)
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: DD78TA on April 15, 2018, 07:10:07 PM
Very nice! Good pics!! I wonder if this shifter is the same as the 2nd gen shifter?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on April 15, 2018, 10:31:34 PM
Very nice! Good pics!! I wonder if this shifter is the same as the 2nd gen shifter?

Thanks DD. The housing is different on the 2nd gen but basic disassembly is the same.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on April 15, 2018, 10:45:51 PM
Where did you plug the charger and how did you run the cable (USB side)

It's plugged into the back of my radio. It's a retro sound radio with 2 USB ports, 2 aux ports and bluetooth. You can see it in my previous posts. The cable runs under the carpet past the shifter and up trough the screw hole in the console.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 11, 2018, 09:37:48 AM
Finally after 2 1/2 months of waiting I finally received all the parts for my RA IV set up! I ordered the kit through Firebird Central and got a great online discount that saved me over $300 from ordering somewhere else. However, their supplier kept sending them right side heat actuators and no left side actuators. They finally got that right after a few weeks of going back and forth. Once I got that in I started my install. However, the actuators didn't sit flat on the pan because there was a recess in that area and the actuator hung over the end of it, and the passenger side actuator was hitting the hood support so I was back on the phone with Firebird Central. They said aftermarket TA hoods were made with the support from a firebird and that the support would have to be cut. I told them I have an original Trans Am hood. Their response was that some original hoods were made with firebird hood supports. Basically telling me that I had to cut my hood. I wasn't going to do that so I started doing some research. Finally I found some pictures of and original barn find TA and I looked at the upper pan really close, it was different than mine. The area where the actuators sat were larger and recessed so they can sit flat and deeper in the pan. Back on the phone with Firebird Central. Now they insisted that there was only one pan for the firebird and TA, and that I would have to cut my hood. They're very pushy on cutting hood supports. I started sending them pictures and the guy I was talking to said he didn't know what I was referring to and would call me back. 2 days later I still didn't get a call so I called them again. This time I spoke with someone who actually knew about RA IV TA set ups and he agreed that I had the wrong pan. Apparently their supplier kept sending them firebird pans instead of TA pans. I reminded him that's what they told me about the actuator and said they need a new supplier. He agreed but told me there is only ONE company in the US who manufactures these parts so we are all at their mercy no matter who we order them from. That really sucks but I finally got the right pan last week. Everything fits nice and snug and the support does NOT have to be cut. Only one more thing I have to look into and that's the thickness of the foam seal. It's so thick that the back of my hood sticks up about 1/2 inch. Either the foam is too thick or my carburetor has to be lowered, and that's not happening...lol

Here is a picture of a firebird upper pan. You can see in the red circle that there is an angled recess where the actuator sits. The recess is where it hangs over.

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In this picture you can see the actuator hitting the support and hanging off the dip in the firebird pan. Firebirds only used one actuator on the driver side. The hole in the pan had a block off plate. The RA III cars were the same, including the TA. The RA IV TA cars used 2 actuators for faster warm up.

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Now here is the correct RA IV upper TA pan. You can see the obvious difference where the actuator sits. The area is recessed deeper to clear the support, and it's flat so the actuator sits firmly on the pan.

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Here's mine installed. Can't wait for the next car show!!
I will have to remove it one more time to paint the inside of the hood black.

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Not good  :-?
I'm hoping that over time the foam will compress enough for the hood to close properly.

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I hope this post helps anyone out there who plans on installing a ram air kit on their car. There IS a difference in the upper pans for a firebird, TA, RAIII and RAIV cars. Firebirds and RAIII cars used the pan with the angled recess, RAIV TA cars used the other pan with the flat rectangle recess.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on June 11, 2018, 12:45:27 PM
Looks good Jim, other than the foam problem. Pardon my question just a curiosity. What  is the wire running to the hood and what are the actuators you are talking about? Is there an electric door/gate that shuts off the opening of the hood scoops?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 11, 2018, 03:00:52 PM
Looks good Jim, other than the foam problem. Pardon my question just a curiosity. What  is the wire running to the hood and what are the actuators you are talking about? Is there an electric door/gate that shuts off the opening of the hood scoops?

It's Joe, not Jim  8-)

That's actually a good question. TA scoops don't open and close like a RAM AIR 400 car would, they are always open. The "wire" you're referring to is a vacuum line that runs from a vacuum switch to the actuators. The actuators open and close to let hot air from the engine compartment into the intake for a faster warm up. It's the same system you'll see on air cleaner bases with snorkels like this GTO air cleaner...

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Here's a stock picture of an actuator...

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Here they are installed on the upper pan. Think of the upper pan as the air cleaner base.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on June 11, 2018, 07:01:47 PM
Sorry JOE, thanks for the explanation. Makes perfect sense.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 11, 2018, 09:47:45 PM
Sorry JOE, thanks for the explanation. Makes perfect sense.

Glad to help.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on June 13, 2018, 02:11:23 PM
Great write up!  :cool:
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 19, 2018, 10:45:24 AM
Great write up!  :cool:

Thank you! The person over at Firebird Central told me he learned a lot that he didn't know.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 19, 2018, 10:52:32 AM
It's time for some major work to be done. I came across some 16 heads that I'm going to replace my 4X heads with, and have been talking to a highly experienced Pontiac engine builder about making some modifications. He's going to build my heads and recommended a cam. All the goodies are on order so I'll be swapping the cam while he builds the heads. They should be done in about 2 weeks.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 20, 2018, 09:40:41 PM
Day one of the tear down began today. The new hi flow water pump is here with the thermostat, and the cam and timing chain will be here Friday. I found that my power steering pump was leaking as I expected so I'll have to take a close look and see if it's leaking from the fitting or if I need to replace it.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on June 23, 2018, 05:20:34 AM
Don't you just love the complex accessory bracket system for 69?
And as I found out setting mine up, some of the pieces are 69 model year specific only. Later stuff in the mid-late 70's is much simpler.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 25, 2018, 08:35:32 AM
Don't you just love the complex accessory bracket system for 69?
And as I found out setting mine up, some of the pieces are 69 model year specific only. Later stuff in the mid-late 70's is much simpler.

It was different than what I remember when I worked on my 78 TA. I think the bracket they rigged up for the kick down cable was more complex...lol
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 25, 2018, 09:02:18 AM
I got a little more work done Friday night. I'm starting to wait till the sun goes down and it cools off a bit, working in the garage when it's 110 degrees outside ain't that fun...lol. I took the weekend off and me and my girlfriend headed up to the cooler temperatures in Williams AZ.

I removed the radiator, water pump, carb, and intake manifold. The water pump gave me a little trouble with one bolt, there's always one isn't there! It was so stripped out that I was able to force a 12 mm 12 pt socket on it and get enough bite to brake it loose. The intake bolt however, I was able to brake loose and then unscrew by hand. All in all this is turning out to be a very clean motor. I can't understand why it wasn't built with a little more balls by the last owner. It would have saved me a lot of money...lol

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I'm going to bring the intake to the machine shop that's building my heads and have it blasted and repaint it. It's a little discolored and looks like it was red at some point. I found red on the block too.

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I'll take the timing chain cover to get blasted too. I don't have an air compressor or impact to get the bolt off so I need to figure out how I'm gonna do that. Time to call in some help. But all the parts are coming in so it'll be ready to go right back together as soon as the heads are done.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 26, 2018, 08:23:21 AM
I was back at it last night getting the heads ready to come out. I really didn't do too much. I removed the valley pan, valve covers, rocker arms, lifters, and push rods. Everything looks good and solid, and no damage to anything. I checked out the power steering pump and found that it's leaking and has to be replaced. I noticed a lot of paint drips down the side of the pump and on pulley. Someone did a bad job painting an old pump to make it look new. I'll add the pulley to the list of parts to get blasted. I'm going to the machine shop after work to check on my heads, they should be ready soon. My work basically stops here until the heads are ready and I can get some help getting the dampner off to change the cam and timing chain. I checked my sockets and don't have one that fits. I have nothing to get that thing off!! LOL

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 26, 2018, 06:40:51 PM
I solved my damper bolt issue today. I got a Milwaukee M18 Fuel 1/2" impact wrench. It has a fastening torque of 450 ft lbs and a break torque of 600 ft lbs!!! It's lithium battery operated with 3 torque settings. It broke my damper bolt loose and removed it on the first setting. I removed the bolt, balancer, and timing cover bolts in less than 5 minutes. This is going to make short work of removing my head bolts. Why oh why didn't I get this sooner! LOL

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 28, 2018, 08:46:18 AM
I made a little more progress last night. I pulled the timing chain cover, timing chain and gears, and the cam. I have the valley cover sitting on the block so nothing would fall in the motor but unfortunately a loose piece of old gasket fell in when I took it off to pull the cam. Now I have to drain the oil and pull the oil pan. I think it was inevitable that I would have to do that no matter how careful I was. Oh well, at least I don't have to be too careful anymore...lol. This weekend I'll pull the heads and start cleaning it up to get ready to put it all back together.

While I'm waiting for the heads, which haven't been started yet  :-(, I took the power steering pump apart to rebuild it. It was more of a pain in the ass getting it apart than I thought but I got it.

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As I said in a previous post, the paint on this thing is crap. There's drips like it was painted with a brush. You can see on the right side that there's a glob of paint dripping and more around the top bolt. I decided that I'm going to strip it and re-paint it as long as I have it apart. The housing cleaned up pretty good, the pump is going to take a little more work since it's not a smooth piece.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on June 28, 2018, 09:05:19 AM
I can't believe what some people do. Look at the left side of this picture. So much of this has been painted with a brush! It's caked on there and looks like total crap!!! I know the oil pan looks the same way so that's gonna have to be fixed too. If you're going to build a motor then build the darn thing right. I'm so tempted to pull it and strip it down just to paint it right. But that would require a complete tear down so I'm gonna have to do what I can with the motor in the car. And that really sucks because that's not doing it right either  :-x

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on June 30, 2018, 06:14:03 AM
That impact gun sounds terrific!
Feel your pain with the oil pan, I had to cut a corroded timing cover off my 77's 400.....rubbish ended up in the pan. Had to drain it, then flush the pan from the opening at the front with a couple of gallons of kerosene to make sure I'd washed all the junk out....annoying.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on June 30, 2018, 07:53:48 AM
Boy, you've jumped in head first! Like a lot of cars, I thought it looked pretty darn good before you started, I cant wait to see what you end up with. Gonna be pretty sweet! I install pre  engineered steel buildings for a living. We have several of those Milwaukee impact guns. They are the bees knees. They have more torque than the corded ones we used to use. I use a lot of the  Milwaukee battery stuff. I have been happy with all of it.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 01, 2018, 01:26:26 PM
That impact gun sounds terrific!
Feel your pain with the oil pan, I had to cut a corroded timing cover off my 77's 400.....rubbish ended up in the pan. Had to drain it, then flush the pan from the opening at the front with a couple of gallons of kerosene to make sure I'd washed all the junk out....annoying.

I knew it was going to happen, it always does...lol. It's almost impossible to prevent anything from falling in.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 01, 2018, 01:31:40 PM
Boy, you've jumped in head first! Like a lot of cars, I thought it looked pretty darn good before you started, I cant wait to see what you end up with. Gonna be pretty sweet! I install pre  engineered steel buildings for a living. We have several of those Milwaukee impact guns. They are the bees knees. They have more torque than the corded ones we used to use. I use a lot of the  Milwaukee battery stuff. I have been happy with all of it.

She looks darn good and sounds awesome, but she has no get up and go when I press the go fast peddle.

The Milwaukee impact has saved a lot of knick and bruises on my knuckles. It was definitely a waste investment. The torque is much more than I expected and rivals any air impact I've used before. I still have one stubborn head bolt that just won't break loose though.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 02, 2018, 08:52:45 AM
Over the weekend I decided it was time to try to strip the paint off the intake, power steering pump,, timing cover, and pulleys. I guess I shouldn't have been surprised to find layers upon layers of paint. Under the Pontiac blue was a layer of orange, under that was yellow, under that was the original Pontiac blue. The first layer pealed right off with some aircraft stripper, but the other layers weren't going to be so easy. The timing cover came clean easy, but the intake gave me a lot of trouble. I got stripper disks for my Dremel and it still wouldn't come clean easily. I decided to get them blasted and save myself some headaches, and mess.

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I got the heads pulled over the weekend...well, almost. I got one head pulled and the bolts out of the other one. The second one had a stubborn bolt that my impact would not loosen. I pulled out my breaker bar and started cranking down on it. That's when it slipped off the bolt and pounded my hand into the block!  :shock:  There was lots of blood involved in that mishap. After taking a break to clean myself hand, stop the bleeding, and let the throbbing stop, I went back out and finally won the battle. I was really disappointed but not surprised when I saw the pistons. They're recessed. I don't know how much compression I'm loosing with these pistons, but they got to go. I'll never get to where I want to be with them. That means the block is coming out after all. At least I'll be able to take it to machine shop and have it cleaned up to remove all those layers of paint and do this right. And it'll be a hell of a lot easier to build it outside the car.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on July 02, 2018, 10:08:25 AM
Looks like your gonna shave about 50lbs off as well once all of that paint is gone!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 02, 2018, 10:21:47 AM
Looks like your gonna shave about 50lbs off as well once all of that paint is gone!

 I think you're right! :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 03, 2018, 06:02:59 PM
The power steering pump is rebuilt but still needs to be painted! Pics to come.

My machinist just confirmed my thoughts about my current pistons. They're crap. Those pistons along with my 4X heads are producing a whopping 6.7:1 compression!! I said it was a dog didn't I? LOL Even with my new #16 heads they will only get up to 7.6:1. So that's the last straw, the motor is coming out and going to the machine shop. I don't have too far to go, all I have to do is unbolt the transmission and motor mounts and pick it out of there. I'm gonna have it cleaned up and have new main bearings and cam bearings put in. I'm going with forged aluminum pistons to get me to 9-9.5:1, new rings, and new forged rods. I sure didn't come this far to put together another dog, this is going to be done right this time.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on July 04, 2018, 10:00:51 PM
Can understand those heads if you were running small chamber RAIII heads...it'd let you drive it on pump gas...but with 4X's????????  :shock:
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 05, 2018, 09:57:27 AM
Can understand those heads if you were running small chamber RAIII heads...it'd let you drive it on pump gas...but with 4X's????????  :shock:

I sent my machinist the dimensions of the dish in the pistons and he figured out that the cc's along with the 98cc 4X heads comes to 6.7:1. I plugged my info into an online Compression ratio calculator and it looks like the pistons are around 19cc. With the new 16 heads and some new pistons I'll be around 9.3:1. With it's current set up I'm guessing it's putting out about 200hp which is less than I initially thought and I plan on doubling that, or more, with this rebuild. The cylinders measure 4.125" so they haven't been bored. Gotta take a close look at them when the block is out and disassembled so we can see the whole cylinder wall and decide from there weather or not to go to +.030. Decisions, decisions....lol
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 08, 2018, 02:35:45 PM
It's been another long productive weekend. The motor came out today! It's still on the hoist till I get some bolts to mount it to the stand. I'll finish disassembling it there. Then it's off to the machine shop to get cleaned up.

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Crappy ass paint job!
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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 10, 2018, 11:38:41 AM
Just a little bit of progress yesterday. I got the block mounted to the engine stand, removed the torque converter, fly wheel, and oil pan. It was too darn hot yesterday so I didn't stay in the garage too long. I'll get the rest disassembled tomorrow. I'm hoping to get it to the machine shop this week, cleaned and honed, and back by the end of next week. That'll give me a week to clean up the mess on the floor...lol. The heads are supposed to be done this week, so I should be able to pick those up along with my other parts that are getting blasted when I drop off the block.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 16, 2018, 08:38:37 AM
While I'm waiting for everything to come back from the machine shop, and trying to figure out how to get an engine block over there without owning a truck, I'm spending some time on the engine bay. I got it all cleaned up and it's really not that bad. I touched up a few areas and plug welded those holes from the halogen's breakers and relays. If you've been following this thread one of the first things I did was to move those breakers and relays off the wheel wells to behind the radiator. Now was the perfect time to clean that up since the bay is empty. I need to stop and get some paint after work today to paint the wheel wells. I'm cleaning up the core support and core filler panels so I can paint the whole bay, and some brackets. Can't wait to see how it looks with a nice new shiny engine in it!!  :-D

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on July 16, 2018, 12:44:48 PM
I thought these were after pics. Doesn't look too bad as is, gonna look GREAT after its been redone. As far as moving the motor, this may sound crazy, but have you considered renting a truck from Home Depot. They rent them for some stupid low amount like $50 or less for a day. I bought a motor from a fellow TAC'r and he delivered it with his jeep and a small rented trailer from uhaul. Or, do you have a friend or neighbor who has a small landscape trailer you could borrow for a case of beer?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 16, 2018, 02:27:51 PM
I thought these were after pics. Doesn't look too bad as is, gonna look GREAT after its been redone. As far as moving the motor, this may sound crazy, but have you considered renting a truck from Home Depot. They rent them for some stupid low amount like $50 or less for a day. I bought a motor from a fellow TAC'r and he delivered it with his jeep and a small rented trailer from uhaul. Or, do you have a friend or neighbor who has a small landscape trailer you could borrow for a case of beer?

Yeah it cleaned up good! The core support and filler panels need the most attention so I’m just gonna do everything since I can. And so did the wheel wells. I have friends with trucks but none get out of work before the machine shop closes. I’ve thought of uhaul but I’d hate to have to rent a truck for an hour. Gonna see if I can borrow one from a friend while they’re at work. I have to figure out something soon, I’m getting impatient...lol
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 16, 2018, 10:00:15 PM
It's been another productive night. Got the bay, panels, supports, brackets, and power steering pump all painted. Everything looks brand new.

Before...

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After...

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No more extra holes on the wheel wells!!

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Some brackets and filler panels...

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And the power steering pump rebuilt and painted. It's been done for a while but I haven't posted a picture of the finished product...

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...and the bracket...

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 18, 2018, 08:09:35 AM
The block is finally at the machine shop! It's gonna be a few weeks since he's slammed and I got a vacation coming up. It's time to clean up the garage, get organized and see what I need to order.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on July 25, 2018, 09:25:11 AM
So, while I've been waiting for my block and heads I've been doing some other things to get ready for assembly. I took the oil pump apart to check it out and everything looks good in there. I have a new screen on order. I called Cliff's Performance and talked to Cliff about my carburetor and he came up with a hi performance recipe for me. He is sending me the parts I need to get the best performance out of my Pontiac 400. According to him there are a few things other than what comes in a standard rebuild kit that I need to replace since my carb was originally set up for an Oldsmobile 455. New idol tubes, jets, pick up tubes, springs, etc. I didn't know that and I don't understand why but he's the pro, not me. He literally wrote the book on it!!! LOL. If you plan on rebuilding your Quadrojet I HIGHLY recommend calling Cliff, the guy is THE Quadrojet guru. If you read his book you know what I'm talking about. He's a really nice guy and very helpful. I disassembled the carb and cleaned it all out but it wasn't too bad. I also drilled the back of the base plate to add a power brake vacuum port since it didn't have one. I'm hoping to get the kit tomorrow so I can put it back together before I leave for my road trip this weekend.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 06, 2018, 10:08:02 PM
Hey all! I'm back from vacation and ready to get back at it. It was a great week on the road. Me and my girlfriend took the Harley on a 1875 mile road trip from Tucson to Los Angeles to camp on the beach, San Francisco to check out the sights and have some great seafood, Laughlin NV to lose some money at the casino...lol, and back to Tucson.

The first thing to do was to clean the carb since I had it all apart before the trip. I did some research to try to find the best way to clean it. Parts cleaner was my first option but that stuff is so strong and really stinks. Some said lemon juice, a few said pine sol mixed 50/50 with water, and one guy even said to boil it in coolant  :shock: I was going to go with the pine sol since the video I watched seemed to work best of all the options. Then I realized that I had a gallon of simply green that I used to clean up the garage floor. I figured I'd give it a try so I mixed a cup 50/50 with water and dropped in the linkage parts over night, and it smells good!. I pulled it out in the morning and was amazed at how clean it was before I even touched it. I took a nylon brush and a rag and wiped it clean. Shiny clean!!! I did that the night before the trip so when I got back I took the Simple Green and mixed it with water in a bucket and dropped in the carb parts over night. I cleaned it all in the morning and put it together. I didn't take any pictures of the assembly but I have a before and after picture.

First thing first. As I said in my last post, I got a rebuild kit from Cliff's Performance. It came with the usual parts and a few special replacement parts like idol down tubes. Following the instructions in the book, I was easily able to remove the old tubes. The kit came with a new float, needle, jets, check ball and screw, metering rods, accelerator pump, fuel filter and housing, gaskets, and a few other parts.

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It was easy to assemble following the book. And it looks great!

Here's what it looked like before I removed it from the car...

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Here's what it looks like now!!

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My added vacuum port for ram air diaphragms and power brakes...

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The block is machined, decked, honed, new freeze plugs, new cam bearings, and ready for assembly. It'll be dropped off tomorrow. I picked up the nice clean and polished crank today and the main bearings, cam, and rod bearing are ready and waiting. The new pistons are in and need to be pressed on to the rods. Those should be delivered tomorrow too.

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Here's the new and the old pistons...

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 Assembly begins soon!!!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 09, 2018, 01:23:24 PM
And so it begins! Assembly starts tonight after I pick up a few more pieces that still needed to be blasted.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 09, 2018, 10:40:47 PM
I picked everything up from the machinist today and got it all organized and almost all the parts have been delivered. It took a little longer than expected to get organized so I didn't get anything done with assembly.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 14, 2018, 08:20:38 AM
It's been a good productive weekend with the rebuild. Everything was going smoothly till last night when I measured for the push rods. Looks like the studs are too short and the measurement is coming out about 1/2" too long. I tried 2 different ways to figure out the rocker geometry and they're both not coming out right. I have to figure this out with my machinist. Besides that the only other issue was a broken thrust plate bolt. Right now everything looks good and the engine turns nice and smooth. It's almost ready for paint.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 16, 2018, 12:23:53 PM
I got the push rod length figured out and they’re are ordered. I’ll probably end up painting the engine before they get here. Can’t wait to see it all one color.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 21, 2018, 08:46:05 AM
Well the push rods will finally be here Thursday. What a pain in the ass that was! First I ordered from Summit and they said they wouldn't ship till August 28th even though the web site said they were in stock. So I cancelled that order and ordered from Jeg's who was supposed to have some in stock. Their confirmation email said they wouldn't ship till September 5th!! So yesterday I called Comp Cams directly and they said they had over 60 sets in stock, so I ordered through them and they shipped same day. I emailed Jeg's to cancel the order and I got an email this morning that they shipped yesterday too  :-? Now I have to return one set.

In the mean time I got it ready to paint! I'll probably wait till the weekend since it's usually 95 degrees in my garage when I get home from work during the week and that's too hot to paint. Mornings are usually mid 70's which is more ideal. Unless I wake up extra early during the week and paint before I head to work. Like that's gonna happen...LOL. I got the pulleys painted yesterday. It's nice to see color going back on, even if it is black.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 23, 2018, 08:16:51 AM
I got a break with the heat yesterday, we had a monsoon storm come through and lower the temperature cool enough to paint. I jumped on the chance and got the engine painted. I used I used Hirsch Auto engine enamel heat resistant up to 700 degrees. I didn't need to primer it but I wanted that extra layer of protection and the blue looks better over it. It looks to be the correct shade of metallic Pontiac blue. http://www.hirschauto.com/
The push rods are going to be delivered today so I'll be able to complete the assembly and get ready for the install.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on August 23, 2018, 12:02:03 PM
Looks very nice! You should be back on the road soon.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 23, 2018, 01:02:47 PM
Looks very nice! You should be back on the road soon.

Thanks. I'm getting anxious! I can't wait to feel the power difference.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 24, 2018, 08:14:18 AM
The push rods were waiting at my front door when I got home from work yesterday. After a quick trip to Ace Hardware for a few replacement bolts I got to work and dropped in the lifters, push rods and rocker arms. Those were the final internal pieces. Time to close it all up and get ready to drop it in.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on August 25, 2018, 10:09:19 AM
Looking great!  :cool:
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 27, 2018, 08:08:48 AM
Yesterday was the day! I dropped in the motor and got it bolted to the transmission. This was the first time I had to do this by myself, and from the side of the car instead of from the front. It wasn't easy to get the transmission lined up but after loosening the bolts and raising it a little bit, I was able to get the alignment pins popped into place. Now it's just a matter of hooking everything back up, putting in the power steering pump, alternator, starter, radiator, and battery. Should only be a few more days before she's alive again.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on August 27, 2018, 11:33:37 AM
The eagle has landed! I would have been a nervous wreck dropping that in there. You must be chomping on the bit by now.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 27, 2018, 11:42:50 AM
The eagle has landed! I would have been a nervous wreck dropping that in there. You must be chomping on the bit by now.

It was nerve wrecking getting it up over the fender trying not to let it swing too much. But once I lowered it down I felt better moving it around. The double chains were a big comfort too, I wasn’t worried about it dropping off the lift. It was a slow process for sure.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on August 27, 2018, 02:21:47 PM
Yeah, it looked like you had it rigged up pretty good.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on August 27, 2018, 06:12:37 PM
I have one of those adjustable lifting slings....great bit of gear, especially if you're doing engine and box as a combo.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: 737driver on August 27, 2018, 11:10:41 PM
It is a challenge getting a motor installed by yourself with a cherry picker and doing it from the side. Great Job!
Jim
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on August 30, 2018, 08:38:30 AM
So close, yet so far! Almost everything is hooked up and the oil system has been primed. Still waiting on thicker valve cover gaskets so the covers clear the poly locks, a new throttle cable, and I found out last night that I need a new water pump pulley because my new water pump is longer than the old one. I still have to hook up the power steering lines and reinstall the headers. Looks like one more week so I'll have time to clean up the headers before I reinstall them. I'm thinking of painting them aluminum and give a little more "pop" to the engine bay, they're black now.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 06, 2018, 09:25:35 AM
Quick update. The pulley was delivered, the valve covers are on, and the throttle cable will be here today. She's finally off the jack stands and I'm going to static time her tonight. The first turn of the key should happen tomorrow or Saturday depending on when the pulley and belts go on! I'll post video, unless she blows up!  :lol:
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on September 06, 2018, 11:55:57 AM
I have been patiently waiting for this car to get back on the road. Looks like it will be soon now. LOL. Im sure youre ready to get rolling as well!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 06, 2018, 01:08:36 PM
I have been patiently waiting for this car to get back on the road. Looks like it will be soon now. LOL. Im sure youre ready to get rolling as well!

It’s been almost 3 months! I feel like I spent the entire summer in my garage working in it. I’m more than ready to get her moving again. I got excited just putting the wheels back in the ground! Lol. I have to be patient though, I don’t want to rush it at this point. I need to make sure everything is in place and ready to go before turning the key for the first time. I’m not going to be one of those guys who fires up an engine for the first time without the radiator hooked up. I’m not even going to start it wouthout power steering fluid...lol
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 07, 2018, 10:12:43 AM
So I got the motor static timed and put the pulley and belts on last night. I was ready to turn the key but the battery had died. That’s the second time it did that since I put it back in. Seems like I charge it and it’s being drained within an hour. I think something is draining it because it had a good charge after sitting on my garage floor for almost 3 months. But as soon as I connected it, it died. Twice. It’s on the charger now so I’m going to give it a shot when I get home from work.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 09, 2018, 11:10:21 AM
Yesterday was the big day! I turned the key! It was a little rough at first because I forgot a few things and jumped the gun a bit. First thing was trying to keep it running. Every time I let off the gas it died. I realized that I put in a new throttle cable and didn't adjust the idol screw. I set it and it she ran on her own, but there was a coolant and vacuum leak. I didn't tighten the thermostat housing bolt that the alternator bracket attaches to after I put the belts on and adjusted the tension. Another easy fix but still had a vacuum leak. The I noticed a puddle of coolant around the distributor. I forgot the gasket  :-( Another easy fix but a pain in the ass. After tightening the distributor I tuned the key again. No more vacuum leak! The carb needs a little fine tuning and the timing is just a little off, other than that, she's ready to be broken in!

And it sounds bad ass! Check out the video...

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on September 10, 2018, 12:46:45 AM
Wow, hope mine sounds as good...thats hot!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 10, 2018, 08:40:27 AM
Wow, hope mine sounds as good...thats hot!

Thanks Leigh. Your build is coming along nicely. Looks like you'll be close to firing it up soon, can't wait to hear it.

My 400 is +.030" with #16 heads, Oldsmobile small dish pistons, and a Voodoo #10510703 227/233 cam. The compression is calculated at 9.4/1. The Voodoo cam is a nice hydraulic mid-range cam, it's not too lopey, but also isn't a smooth idol. I don't know how that compares to your Summit cam. I should have it on the street in the next day or 2.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 12, 2018, 10:40:17 AM
I attempted my first drive yesterday. I quickly realized that I didn't bleed the power steering. I got the front tires back in the air, took the cap off the reservoir, and started turning the wheel. A lot of air came out but I can still hear it bubbling. Sounds like it's coming from the box. I heard that removing the belt and turning the pump CCW by hand should help so I'm going to try that tonight.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: FormTA on September 12, 2018, 02:54:23 PM
Your attention to detail makes that a great looking (and sounding) engine. Great work.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 13, 2018, 08:50:35 PM
Your attention to detail makes that a great looking (and sounding) engine. Great work.

Thank you. I appreciate that.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 14, 2018, 09:54:51 AM
I did a little work to the hood this week. I started painting the inside and thought I better get the upper RA IV pan to fit properly first. I've been trying to get the pan and seal to fit properly without cutting the hood brace. I trimmed the foam down where it overlapped the bracing but that didn't seam to work. The problem is with the air diaphragm hitting the support, and also the foam overlapping it. Now I see why the brace was trimmed at the factory for Ram Air IV cars. My hood must have been off a Ram Air III car which didn't need the brace cut. I bit the bullet and decided to trim it. I did some searching and finally found some pictures of the inside of a Trans Am hood without the pan installed. I found a total of 2 pics on the whole internet...lol. I taped it out by eye and cut it up. Everything fits a lot better with no tension pushing up on the hood from the foam. The foam is very stiff and doesn't compress easily. I think the original foam was a lot softer and compressed easier. Since I trimmed the foam I had to order a new one now that it fit's correctly. Once that gets here I can install the upper pan and get some helping hands to put the hood back on. That should be the final touch or this project.

Here's the hood before I cut it, and with a dust coat on it.

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Reference pic of an original hood...

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Cut and painted with the intake tubes installed....

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on September 14, 2018, 10:13:11 AM
You did a nice job on the cutout by eye.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 14, 2018, 11:44:12 AM
You did a nice job on the cutout by eye.

Thank you. It took a few tries till it finally looked right. The difficult part was making that first cut with a cutting wheel. It needed a lot of filing and grinding to get the round corners. But it was worth it and I’m happy with the results, even though it will never be seen...lol. 
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: FormTA on September 14, 2018, 01:17:30 PM
Very impressive. It's little things like that, the attention to detail that make this car. Great job.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: silvert/a on September 14, 2018, 06:34:04 PM
Excellent job! Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 17, 2018, 08:24:24 AM
Saturday was the day, TEST DRIVE!! It went great. I got a little chirp of the tire going into second gear and wasn't even getting on it. It sounds killer at cruising speed and IT'S GOT BALLS! I didn't hit it too hard, just enough to feel the acceleration. I still need to make a few tweeks to the air/fuel mixture and timing to get it just right but it's pretty much there. The power steering is better but still not working right. I felt some points where it got loose and then stiffened up again so it's still hitting air pockets. I had to add a little more fluid after I got back in the garage. I think it'll eventually bleed itself out.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on September 17, 2018, 11:44:15 AM
Fantastic! Congrats on getting it back on the road.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 18, 2018, 09:03:22 AM
So I found out last night that my distributor advance isn't advancing so the timing can't be set accurately. I haven't pulled the cap to see what the weights and springs look like yet but I ordered an advance curve kit anyway. Just one more piece of the puzzle.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 21, 2018, 07:38:37 PM
So I've been trying to figure out my mechanical timing with no luck. i've tried new weights and springs, I tried combinations of the three different weight springs and it won't advance more than a few degrees. I tried setting the base timing without the weights and springs installed, then put them back in after the timing was set at 12 btdc. After I checked total timing it idled at 18 instead of 12. It did this with all combinations of springs that I tried. The total timing never went over 25 no matter what springs were in. I'm going to borrow a new distributor over the weekend and try that. If it works, I'm keeping it.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on September 23, 2018, 10:59:50 AM
Hasn't had a timing stop fitted into the distributor by someone in it's past?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: kentucky yeti on September 23, 2018, 12:58:28 PM
This entire thread is an inspiration!  Your work is nothing short of amazing.  All those little things will soon be distant memories as you work through them.  Congratulations on such an awe-inspiring accomplishment.  Simply a fantastic thread detailing your triumphs and small setbacks.  Well done!!!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 23, 2018, 02:04:39 PM
Hasn't had a timing stop fitted into the distributor by someone in it's past?

No it hasn't. Total timing was at 34 before the rebuild. Not sure what happened.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 23, 2018, 02:13:36 PM
This entire thread is an inspiration!  Your work is nothing short of amazing.  All those little things will soon be distant memories as you work through them.  Congratulations on such an awe-inspiring accomplishment.  Simply a fantastic thread detailing your triumphs and small setbacks.  Well done!!!

Thank you very much! Your compliment is very well appreciated. I started it not only to show my progress but also hoping that it would help others with their builds. I'm glad to hear that it's inspiring. If it inspires one person to get back on a project they're putting off, or helps someone through an issue with their build, then this thread is well worth it the time I've put into it.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 24, 2018, 12:41:22 PM
I dropped in a different distributor yesterday and got my timing issue solved. The carb is finally dialed in. Now I need help putting the hood back on. It’s almost done!!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on September 24, 2018, 12:46:51 PM
I did about 98% of the work by myself when I did my restoration, but the one thing I needed help with was the hood. Kinda tricky by yourself.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 24, 2018, 08:33:08 PM
I did about 98% of the work by myself when I did my restoration, but the one thing I needed help with was the hood. Kinda tricky by yourself.

Yeah right! I would need 6 hands to put the hood on...lol
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 26, 2018, 08:06:06 AM
Just can't seem to get her out on the street. Today was the first day I was going to be able to get her out and take her to work but she dies when I put her into gear. Gotta check a few things tonight so hopefully I can take her to work tomorrow and give her a good test run.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 27, 2018, 08:40:02 PM
Finally got to get out on the main streets and drive it to work today!! There's a few little issues I need to iron out yet. I had to turn the idle up so it didn't die at the lights, but now it's idling too high in park and neutral. I checked for vacuum leaks but didn't find any. The kick down cable needs to be adjusted and it shifts into 3rd at 55 mph. I don' have a tach so I can't say what rpm's. And I still have no power steering. I'm beginning to think something happened when I rebuilt the pump. That's gonna have to come off and be torn apart again.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: kentucky yeti on September 28, 2018, 06:55:23 AM
Still a success!  The punch list grows short for you.  Power steering issue is a bummer, but the other things are small issues.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on September 30, 2018, 03:30:43 PM
I pulled the power steering pump yesterday and don't see anything wrong with it but I got a new one on the way anyway. They're tested, warrantied, and cheap after returning a core so I figured that's the safe way to go.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on October 01, 2018, 06:13:40 PM
Just on the off chance....flush the system first before fitting the new pump. Good luck.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 01, 2018, 07:25:50 PM
Just on the off chance....flush the system first before fitting the new pump. Good luck.

The system was drained when I put the old one back in and it still didn't work. I'll definitely flush it again. Thanks.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 02, 2018, 01:14:05 PM
I found a vacuum leak! The hose popped off the tranny. It's very loose and won't stay on, even though its all new. A couple hose clamps will fix that problem. Hopefully that will settle my idling issues.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on October 02, 2018, 10:32:30 PM
Thats good that you found a leak.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 03, 2018, 05:14:45 PM
I found the second vacuum leak this afternoon. I put a vacuum pump on the transmission line to double check it and decided to check the other lines too. The vacuum advance wasn't holding any pressure on the replacement distributor. It's a used one and I didn't check the vacuum advance. When I say it wasn't holding pressure I mean the gauge never moved! I swapped the one from the old distributor after I check it and now I'm confident there are no more leaks. Now I need to go back and adjust air, fuel, and idle since it's running a little rough.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 03, 2018, 06:41:28 PM
I have the RA IV intake installed and hooked up. It's working! The diaphragms are opening and closing with the vacuum. They're open when it's cold and closed when it's warm. They look like they're breathing when I open the hood. It's cool! The temp looks like it's running cooler. I ran it for about 20 minutes and it didn't go over 200 which is really nice since it's been up around 230. I have to keep an eye on it. I was looking into new radiators and it would be nice if I didn't need one.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 10, 2018, 08:35:45 AM
I still can't get the darn power steering to work!!  :mad:
I ordered a pump form CARiD and the sent me the wrong one. I contacted them by email and I got a response telling me to damage the pump so it's not able to be resold and send them pictures. I couldn't believe what I was reading so I called them. They said they don't want it back and I should destroy it and toss it. That is the strangest return policy I've ever heard of. So I smashed the reservoir neck and sent pictures. They're sending my a refund so I have a new pump. I'm gonna take the pump out and put it in mu housing and see if that works.

I noticed that with my pump, when I turn the wheel the fluid returns to the reservoir but won't flow to the steering box. So I don't know if it's the line, the pump, or the check valve. I tried vacuum bleeding it and couldn't get anything out of it.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 13, 2018, 05:07:23 PM
I finally have power steering! I swapped out the pump and it works. Still don't know what I did wrong when rebuilding my old pump but I'll look into it eventually. If I find a problem and correct it, I won't know if it works unless I swap pumps again. I really don't want to buy more power steering fluid and make another mess...lol
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 19, 2018, 10:56:47 AM
As we all know, if it’s not one thing it’s another. Now that I have power steering and can get the car on the road more, it’s time to do some fine tuning. I’m having trouble getting my Q-jet adjusted. My idle screws don’t seem to have much effect on the idle. I’m running lean, the car wants to die at stop light, but sometimes it races at lights. It’s too all over the place and I can’t get the vacuum to run steady. I checked for leaks but only found one yesterday. That was fixed but it’s still rough. So that’ll be my weekend project this weekend.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: LeighP on October 20, 2018, 09:22:11 PM
A thought....check the secondary butterflys and the air valve.....you could be leaking air there.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 22, 2018, 08:21:39 AM
A thought....check the secondary butterflys and the air valve.....you could be leaking air there.

I've checked everything I could think of and took it apart several times to recheck a few things. I'm getting a donar carb today to see how it runs. That should tell me if it's the carb or the motor. I'm leaning towards the carb becuause I've checked everywhere I can think of for a vacuum leak with carb cleaner and can't find anymore. I realized I never checked my plugs so I pulled those yesterday. They're ALL black. So I'm running rich, not lean.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: Chewey on October 22, 2018, 04:28:10 PM
Just got caught up on the build. VERY nicely done.

Who did you use for machine work?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 22, 2018, 06:46:43 PM
Just got caught up on the build. VERY nicely done.

Who did you use for machine work?

Thank you. Paul Carter over at Koerner Racing Engines did the machine work. He helped me from the beginning and helped put together the right recipe. He knows Pontiacs, and engines, better than anyone I know.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 23, 2018, 09:43:14 AM
So I put a donor carb on yesterday and had worse luck with it. It spit, sputtered, popped, and idled really rough. So that really didn't help me at all. I bought new throttle plates that didn't have holes drilled in them and went to put them on last night but all 4 screws broke and I can't get them out of the shaft! Not sure what I'm going to do about that. In the mean time I have a distributor tune up kit on it's way from Summit. It seems like there's some misfire going on and the distributor is old so I'm not sure how well it's working. A fresh tune up wouldn't be a bad thing to do. I also ordered a set of power piston springs that are different tensions, new adjusting screws, and new idle pick up tubes to try in the carb.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: Chewey on October 24, 2018, 11:12:22 AM
Paul is awesome, he's a great guy and a Pontiac guru. He did my motor. Only downside is that he is in demand. I haven't talk to him in a few years, I'm glad to hear he's still over at Koerner.

Wish I could offer some advice on the carb/distributor issue. I had Cliff do the carb for me and had Rocky Rotella do the distributor.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 24, 2018, 11:31:02 AM
I'm going to see Paul today. He has a few old Q-jets that I may be able to get the rods from, or the whole base plate. Cliff is in high demand too, not sure how long a rebuild would take him to do and I can't get a hold of him to help me with the problems I'm having. I'm getting close to breaking down and getting a new carb. The one I have is an Olds carb, I would go with a Pontiac and sell of the Olds if I get another one. 
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 25, 2018, 09:08:53 AM
My throttle shaft problem is solved. I picked up a 71 Pontiac 455 Q-jet 7041262 yesterday for $100. I'm going to clean it up and put the new parts from the old carb in it. I'm not going to open up any bypass air channels or idle channels since the old one ran worse after I did that. I'm going to give it a basic rebuild and hope for the best. I can get the correct divorced choke and not have to worry about the modified one coming apart anymore. When I started rebuilding the motor back in June I said I was going to do it right and not cut corners to make things work. Getting a Pontiac Q-jet with the correct choke was on the list.
The last piece for the upgraded distributor will be here today so I can put it back together tonight. I already have it apart and cleaned up waiting to go. The shaft was really gunked up with greasy sticky crud. It spins much more freely now. I should be doing some tuning on Saturday.

Btw...I have Olds Q-jet that needs a new primary throttle shaft for sale...LOL
It ran good before the rebuild and had good response. The old parts will go back in and I'm still going to look for a shaft and get it in working order again.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 26, 2018, 08:57:56 AM
Dammit the carb was hacked! I went through it last night and it's not going to be usable. I'm going to be swapping it for another one.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on October 26, 2018, 03:52:21 PM
That pretty much sux.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 26, 2018, 05:43:18 PM
That pretty much sux.

Yes it does but I was able to swap it for one off a 428 that looks really good inside. I dropped the rebuilt distributor in and put the 428 carb on. I’ll give it a shot later and see how it goes. I wish it had numbers but it don’t, it’s a service replacement carb so it has no numbers stamped.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: kentucky yeti on October 28, 2018, 10:06:30 PM
Been watching your dilemma, and I find myself hoping you get it resolved ASAP.  I know how frustrating these weird problems can be!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 29, 2018, 08:23:02 AM
The 428 service carb looks like it's gonna work! It fired right up and has a good idle. Took it for a test drive and it didn't spit and sputter or want to die. But it lost a lot of power, there's no get up and go and definitely no tire spin. I got in touch with Cliff at Cliff's High Performance and were going to get a kit together to wake up my 400 horses.

Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on October 31, 2018, 08:38:36 AM
I found out why I lost power. I lost half my throttle! The throttle linkage connection moved the throttle cable too far back which set my peddle half way to the floor. I swapped out the linkage and got full throttle back along with full power. It was an easy swap because the carb has bolt on linkage and not pressed on. But now I lost my kick down cable because there's no where to hook it up. I may have to make my own linkage if I can't find anything. I have a choke, float, new jets, and metering rods on order from Cliff. Almost there!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on November 02, 2018, 09:51:20 AM
I think I finally got it!! I got the new choke, jets, rods, and float and put them in yesterday. I pulled my plugs since I rebuilt the distributor and increased the gap to 40. They were covered in soot from running rich and one gap was almost closed. I probably bumped it somewhere along the line. Last night I put it all together and did some tuning. Base timing is at 14 BTDC, vacuum advance takes it to 24, and total is at 32-34 right where I want it. Manifold vacuum is at 15" and it idles at 900 RPM.

I haven't posted any pics so here's a few of the rebuilt distributor and 428 service carb.

Old distributor guts...

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New rebuilt distributor...

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428 service Qjet...

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NO NUMBERS!!  :o
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Now it's time to start saving to upgrade to front disk brakes.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on November 03, 2018, 04:12:43 PM
Thought I'd post a quick video of what it sounds like now that it's tuned correctly...

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: Chewey on November 04, 2018, 10:15:59 AM
Sounds great! Congrats on getting it running right!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on November 05, 2018, 11:44:17 AM
Sounds great! Congrats on getting it running right!

Thank you! It feels good to have accomplished it. I started this project in June, it’s only been 5 months...lol. I missed the big St Gregory car show but I’ll be there next year.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on November 07, 2018, 09:12:03 AM
Well if it's not one thing, it's another. I've been driving the car daily now that I have the carb settled but now I have a wobble in the rear end. It feels like someone is pushing the rear from side to side. I'm gonna need some help on this one guys. I read that it could be a broken belt in the tire but I can't tell. I can't see any uneven tread wear or bubbling anywhere. Not sure what else it could be. Maybe worn bushings or maybe an axle bearing??? The mechanic across from work has it and he's gonna try to get it on a lift today.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on November 08, 2018, 10:18:56 AM
It ended up being the tire. I guess a belt broke. So now I need to find a tire that matches or get 4 new ones which might not be a bad idea anyway.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: Chewey on November 09, 2018, 04:30:33 PM
At least it's an easy fix, albeit not really a cheap one.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on November 09, 2018, 07:23:09 PM
At least it's an easy fix, albeit not really a cheap one.

BFG 235/60R14 Radial TA's at $132 with free shipping from Jegs so it's not as bad as I first thought. I originally wanted Polyglas tires but they're $240 a pop. It wasn't too hard of a decision on which way to go. I'll keep the best BFG Advantage I have now for a spare. All I need is another Rally II rim.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on November 19, 2018, 01:20:45 PM
4 new shoes! It's amazing how much better a car drives with 4 new tires. The 2002 WS6 gets new ones tomorrow. It was a beautiful weekend so I spent some time cleaning them both.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on November 19, 2018, 01:56:24 PM
Nice looking pair of cars.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: kentucky yeti on November 19, 2018, 05:13:18 PM
Nice looking pair of cars.

x2!!!!!!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: Jack on November 19, 2018, 07:31:11 PM
What did I miss? When did you get the 4th gen?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on November 20, 2018, 07:53:11 AM
What did I miss? When did you get the 4th gen?

I've had it since 2005.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 17, 2019, 09:34:56 AM
Happy 2019 all!!! Now that all the hectic holidays are past it's time to get back to it. My Christmas present to myself is was a Wilwood front disk brake conversion kit and new master cylinder. I should be getting to it this weekend. Everything is included, disks, bearings, cap, 4 piston calipers, braided lines, pads, brackets, and all the mounting hardware. It looks pretty straight forward.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: kentucky yeti on January 18, 2019, 07:34:22 AM
Nice!  Let us know how it goes.  Inquiring minds want to know LOL
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 18, 2019, 02:28:49 PM
Here's how it's going so far. Wilwood warns that there are 2 different spindles for the 69 with different upper mounting hole sizes. The spindle with the smaller hole would have to be drilled out and tapped to use Wilwood's hardware, of course mine has the smaller hole. :-(  You can see in the image below that the new bolt is much wider than the stock bolt and has a head that fits flush with the caliper bracket. I have 2 choices. I can drill and tap the spindle and hope I can do it while it's in the car, or find a bolt that fits the existing thread and has the same head as the new bolt. I'm thinking it would be best to drill and tap to insure everything fits as Wilwood intended.

The drums are off and it don't look too bad in there. Looks like fresh grease on the spindle.

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The upper hole on the spindle needs to be drilled and tapped to fit the bolt on the right. The bolt on the left is the stock bolt.

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: silvert/a on January 18, 2019, 06:21:08 PM
The brakes will be an interesting build to follow. Thanks for so many pictures.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on January 19, 2019, 01:56:42 PM
You have my luck, if theres a 50/50 chance for the wrong part that is me!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 19, 2019, 03:35:36 PM
I tried drilling the holes and tapping them today. It didn't work as well as I expected, those spindles are hard! My bits went dull before I could finish. I ordered a coil spring compressor tool so I can remove the spindles and bring them to a machine shop.  I recommend doing that if you're going to do this conversion.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 25, 2019, 03:42:09 PM
So the spring compressor wasn't working right. I guess that's what you get when you try to get the cheapest thing you can find for a one time use. The next best one was $80, plus the cost for the machine shop totaled over $100. Cost of new disk brake spindles that don't need drilling or tapping, $120. Guess who got new spindles? I should have checked into this before I spent $70 on drill bits and a tap. what a waste of money  :-( 
With this kit, it looks like the caliper brackets will bolt on to disk brake spindles with no modifications, but the drum brake spindles need to be modified. If you remove them and bring them to a machine shop, or if you can drill and tap them at home you'll save money over buying new spindles. I wouldn't spend the money on bits and a tap if I were to do this all over again, I would have gone right to disk brake spindles.

The brackets bolted on with no problem...
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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: T/A Addict on January 26, 2019, 04:33:14 AM
Things just never seem to go smoothly when reworking or adapting old parts, that's frustrating and then having to order and wait on new.
The new spindles look great and will make life so much easier. one of those "Why didn't I just do this to begin with" moments.
The car is outstanding and all the little upgrades and fixes make it even better!
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on January 26, 2019, 05:23:26 PM
You're absolutely right Addict, it was definitely one of those "moments".

I was going to need to remove the spindle on the right side anyway since the lower dust boot was torn apart. I ordered a set of polyurethane boots so now I'm waiting on those. The ball joints look good so those will go back in. I'm gonna have to find a ball joint tool to rent so I can put it all together again. I put the whole assembly together on the new spindles and test fit in the wheel and it fits perfect. The wheels are 14".

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 01, 2019, 09:07:10 PM
Finally got the new poly dust boots yesterday. They're way nicer than the original rubber style boots. They fit tight and should last forever according to the manufacturer. I rented a ball joint tool this morning and got to work. Everything went together smoothly. I'll bleed them tomorrow. The kit included all the hardware needed and more than enough spacers to center the caliper. If I would have had everything I needed before I started it would have taken a day instead of two weeks. If anyone is thinking about installing this conversion kit I would recommend ordering the dust boots ahead of time and consider changing to disk brake spindles, unless you have the right equipment to make them work. The drum spindles are going to have to come out to be drilled and tapped anyway, and with the money I wasted for drill bits and a tap ($70) it would be worth spending the extra 50 bucks for some brand new spindles. The spindles were $120. It's something to think about ahead of time. Overall I highly recommend this kit or any other Wilwood kit. They got their s**t together over there. I'll use them again.

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I'm gonna be taking a brake from this for a while and start on a new project that I picked up. It's a 79 Z28. I know it's a Chevy, it's the enemy! LOL  But I'm not keeping it, I'm restoring it and flipping it in the hopes of opening a restoration shop. It reminds me of my 78 TA, I miss that car.

Nice color combo! Lol

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Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 04, 2019, 09:04:45 PM
I finally got around to bleeding the brakes and testing them out. Wow what a difference! It's definitely worth the time and effort to swap over to disk. It feels a lot safer and there's no fade like with the drum brakes. I feel more confident driving around knowing that the brakes will be there, and hold! The next project on this will be to replace the 2.73 gears with 3.36 gears. That's going to have to be done by a shop when I'm ready. But first it's time to move it to a secure storage place and pull the 79 Z28 in the garage. I'm thinking of posting the build on nastyz28.com if anyone is interested in following it.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on February 05, 2019, 07:46:59 AM
Nice looking Z. I dont do nasty z so post up some pics on here every once in awhile.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 12, 2019, 08:04:21 PM
I know this isn’t a first gen firebird build but pics were requested.  If anyone wants to follow this build with more detail, here’s the link...http://nastyz28.com/threads/79-z28-fresh-start.323346/
I don’t think you have to join to view it but you won’t be able to comment.

Here’s some pics roadking. She’s clean clean clean!!!

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The engine and tranny is almost ready to come out...

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The left fender, left quarter and door panels are on order.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on February 28, 2019, 09:46:11 PM
Darn I miss my TA! I may have to get her out of storage soon and let her breath a bit.
The progress on the Z28 is coming along nicely ( http://nastyz28.com/threads/79-z28-fresh-start.323346/ ) but it's a bit crowded in my garage. I got a new pice of equipment last night to help get the car up off the ground and back down with ease. I got a Quick Jack! These things are everything there made out to be. Easy to operate, sturdy as hell, and it raises the car enough to give you a lot of room to work. I only have it on the first step and I can easily roll under and work.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7849/32301399677_cd5f52050d_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/Rdn7L6)
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: 75Fire on March 01, 2019, 09:49:44 PM
Are you lifting it by the sub frame? Do you have exhaust on the car now? Have you tried lifting it by the pinch welds? I've been wanting to get one for 2 yrs now and I'm not sure I could use it on my TA, because of dual exhaust and traction bars.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 02, 2019, 09:35:29 AM
Are you lifting it by the sub frame? Do you have exhaust on the car now? Have you tried lifting it by the pinch welds? I've been wanting to get one for 2 yrs now and I'm not sure I could use it on my TA, because of dual exhaust and traction bars.

I have it lifted by the subframe but there are blocks available to lift it by the pinch welds so you can do it either way. The exhaust is currently on. There is enough room underneath to remove the exhaust and transmission. You can also set them up across the car instead of front to back so I don't see any reason you wouldn't be able to lift your TA with it.
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: roadking77 on March 02, 2019, 04:34:07 PM
Just read your build thread. Thanks for the link, I will check it periodically. I want a lift real bad, lol. I like what you have but I have plenty of room in my shop and will most likely go 4 post. Neighbor has a 2 post I have talked about buying from her but haven't pulled the plug yet. Maybe someday. Car is coming along nicely. Are you working on it full time?
Title: Re: 69 TA
Post by: jmb36TA on March 02, 2019, 05:10:42 PM
Just read your build thread. Thanks for the link, I will check it periodically. I want a lift real bad, lol. I like what you have but I have plenty of room in my shop and will most likely go 4 post. Neighbor has a 2 post I have talked about buying from her but haven't pulled the plug yet. Maybe someday. Car is coming along nicely. Are you working on it full time?

The Quick Jack is great for the garage. If I had a shop I'd probably have a 4 post too. I'm working on the car at least 6 days a week so I can turn it around quick. It's nice doing it in the garage since I can work on it as long as I want and on weekends. I'm making a hell of a mess though...lol. Hopefully I can get the body work done next week and get it to a shop to power wash it and put an undercoating on it.