TAC Spotlight => Projects & Restorations => Topic started by: mereness on December 28, 2017, 09:20:03 PM

Title: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on December 28, 2017, 09:20:03 PM
So I was finally able to pick up a Trans Am a couple of weeks ago after looking for about 6 months for one that wasn't in need of extensive metal repair.  I picked this TATA up about an hour from my house.  The engine is locked and not the original.  It has a few small holes in the trunk.

My plans are to strip it down then determine if I want to stick with the TATA theme or change the color.

I will try to update this post as I progress through the restoration.  During my search for a car, this site was very helpful.  I am sure to have questions going forward.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/27463176389/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/39238848411/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/39210973662/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/38544975974/in/datetaken-public/
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Jack on December 28, 2017, 09:25:04 PM
Congrats, looks solid enough and you can't go wrong with a TATA.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: T/A Addict on December 29, 2017, 06:53:30 AM
Awesome..... Will be glad to tag along with your progress as you go. Looks like a solid project for sure and a totally clean canvas at that.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on December 29, 2017, 09:47:36 AM
That car looks familiar!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: MNBob on December 29, 2017, 12:42:43 PM
Looking forward to following your build.  A TATA is a little more expensive to build and maintain.  Sometimes I wish mine didn't have all the graphics!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on December 29, 2017, 05:29:07 PM
That car looks familiar!

Slowing transforming

https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/24512732507/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/38669671474/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/39348045782/in/datetaken-public/

Some rot in the passenger side floor pan and the driver floor pan.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on December 29, 2017, 11:39:18 PM
It looks like a really solid start what engine does it currently have and trans?
Every time I see one of these it reminds of a good friend of mine his older brother had one this was around 1990 it had 5K miles on it and looked brand new. I never seen it out of the garage it was his pride and joy his daughter had to have a surgery had to sell it then a 16yr old girl got it started a fire in it burn it to the ground just a couple months later. The last time I seen it was setting in the back yard just rotting away what a waste!
Keep the progress coming I will be following along.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on December 30, 2017, 09:39:08 AM
How does the driver side look? Guy threw in a bunch of parts with my purchase. Included a dr. side full floor pan. I don't think I need it.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on December 31, 2017, 11:30:07 AM
It looks like a really solid start what engine does it currently have and trans?
Every time I see one of these it reminds of a good friend of mine his older brother had one this was around 1990 it had 5K miles on it and looked brand new. I never seen it out of the garage it was his pride and joy his daughter had to have a surgery had to sell it then a 16yr old girl got it started a fire in it burn it to the ground just a couple months later. The last time I seen it was setting in the back yard just rotting away what a waste!
Keep the progress coming I will be following along.

Currently it has a 400 and I believe the original transmission.  The motor is locked, but hopefully I can free it up.  I put marvel mystery oil in each cylinder, hoping to get it to move.  The story that I was told was that the original owner toasted the original 403 and replaced it with a 400.  When he started the 400 it made a knocking noise.  He turned it off and walked away.  23 years later he sold it.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on December 31, 2017, 11:36:05 AM
How does the driver side look? Guy threw in a bunch of parts with my purchase. Included a dr. side full floor pan. I don't think I need it.

The drivers side has 2 spots of rust through (rot).  One is up on the drivers floor board about 6 or 7 inches long and 2 inches wide.  It follows the frame member (?) by the pedals.  The other place is where the rear seat attaches.  This is a small spot.  I will attach photos of both after the New Year.

Besides those spots, the passengers side floor board, which is the worse, has rot along with a smaller spot on the passengers side rear window where the window defrost is grounded.  So far I don't think it is to bad.  All the interior is out with the exception of the dash.  I'm not sure what I am going to attack next (maybe the front end so I can remove the engine).  I will need to get a buddy at the house to help with removing the doors and the hood.

Pictures will be following.  Thanks for all the great advice!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on January 01, 2018, 10:59:44 AM
If you have an atv jack removing the doors is pretty simple. I used mine with a couple of crude pieces of 2x4's as stabilizers. There is also a jig made to attach to a floor jack that will do the job as well. Those things are extremely heavy!  As far as the hood goes, that is the one spot I did need help. Had my wife hold one end whilst I unhooked the other.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 02, 2018, 07:11:04 PM
The bulk of the interior has been removed.  Below is the rust repair that I am facing thus far.

Rear window passenger side.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/24594579307/in/datetaken-public/

Passenger floor pan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/39430554252/in/datetaken-public/

Drivers floor pan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/38752754254/in/datetaken-public/

Under Drivers rear seat
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/39430508392/in/datetaken-public/

Trunk
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/38752694834/in/datetaken-public/

With any luck that will be all of the rot that I run into......
Probably dreaming though since I have just begun the tear down.

I am thinking the hood, nose, and fenders are next to be removed.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on January 02, 2018, 11:02:57 PM
Looks like you are on the right track so far there's nothing I hate more than rust it always seems like you find the last of it then out of no where it will show it's ugly face. I would rip out those T-top seals and look under them and the window seals for the A pillar. I hope there isn't any hiding in there but might as well find it now rather than latter on.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on January 03, 2018, 05:40:37 AM
Not to horrible. Mine were much worse. Good luck, keep making progress!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 05, 2018, 05:11:42 PM
Looks like you are on the right track so far there's nothing I hate more than rust it always seems like you find the last of it then out of no where it will show it's ugly face. I would rip out those T-top seals and look under them and the window seals for the A pillar. I hope there isn't any hiding in there but might as well find it now rather than latter on.

I started to take out the T-top seals and found some rust (possible small amount of rot).  Is there a trick to removing these seals? 
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on January 06, 2018, 07:10:37 AM
In the inside corners there is a metal tang with a screw holding the seals in the corners. But removing these will not make life much easier those seals are glued in they are a real pita to remove. With the use of a scrapper, flat screw driver and a wire wheel you will have it all out in an hour or so per side. I wish there was an easier way but there isn't it's just labor intensive.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Grand73Am on January 06, 2018, 09:14:18 AM
If there's glue, soaking the area with some 3M 08984 general purpose adhesive remover would help release it.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 07, 2018, 04:48:06 PM
OK, I made some progress this weekend although I fought with my small propane heater to heat my garage while the weather outside was below 10 degrees.

I removed the deck lid, tail lights, rear bumper and cover, gas tank, windshield wipers, hood, and hood hinges.  Pretty successful weekend considering I am still fighting with one stripped out seat belt bolt that won't give up.  Prior to New Years I dumped Marvel Mystery oil in each cylinder with hopes to free up the engine.  I put a pry bar on it this afternoon and ended up bending the bar I was using.  I guess it may be safe to assume the 400 is shot!  Is there any value to a seized up 400??????

Next up will be the nose and front fenders.  Any advice on removing the nose would help.....

Thanks!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: xtrme_ta on January 07, 2018, 05:44:03 PM
I would get a full replacement floor for that. With that amount of rust it would be the best way. Plus it's always nice to have a full new cleasn floor.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Grand73Am on January 07, 2018, 06:05:00 PM
I didn't see your story about the engine, but I have a 455 that was seized when I got it, about 10 years ago. I was able to un-seize it by filling the cylinders with a penetrant called Kroil. A local engine builder told me that's what they use. So, I ordered some(you can find it online). I filled up the cylinders, let it sit a few days and using a lever, I worked it back and forth. At first, it didn't move much. But, I'd give it another day and try again. Each time it moved a little more. Eventually it would rotate fully, and I was able to make the starter turn it. Unfortunately I don't think you can get Kroil from a local store. I had to order it. But, if I were to do it again, I believe PB Blaster(or just "Blaster") would do just as well. I've used Blaster a lot since then, and it's the only penetrant I've used that I can actually see it dissolving the rust when applied. And you should be able to find a gallon of Blaster locally. I bought a gallon at Advance Auto Parts, and it looks like they still sell it for around $30.

One problem I had was figuring out how I was going to lever the crank. It still had the transmission on it so there was no good access to the flywheel, plus I'm not sure how good trying to turn it by the flexplate would have worked. So, I devised a different way. I had an old rear wheel rotor laying around, so I drilled some holes in it so it would bolt up the front of the balancer. Then I welded some angle iron pieces on it, so I would have something to lever on. And the photo below is what it looks like. So, it's an idea, if you can scrounge up an old rear wheel disc rotor similar to mine, and if you can weld or know somebody who could weld some pieces of angle iron to it. I also used a rather large solid steel crow bar, about 3 or 3.5 foot, long to lever with, like the one pictured below.

(https://i.imgur.com/AcabYew.jpg?1)

(https://i.imgur.com/2fTDQ9r.jpg)
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 10, 2018, 08:09:55 PM
The nose cone and headlight panel came off this week with some fight.  I am starting to get some bolts that are putting up a pretty fight.  What is the recommended rust remover for stubborn nuts and bolts??

More progress pictures will be coming this weekend.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Grand73Am on January 10, 2018, 10:11:14 PM
The nose cone and headlight panel came off this week with some fight.  I am starting to get some bolts that are putting up a pretty fight.  What is the recommended rust remover for stubborn nuts and bolts??

More progress pictures will be coming this weekend.

PB "Blaster". Normally get it at the local auto parts store. Here's a link to Walmart so you can see what it looks like:  https://www.walmart.com/ip/Blaster-Products-16-PB-PB-Blaster-Penetrant-11-oz/16816083?wmlspartner=wlpa&selectedSellerId=0&wl13=1373&adid=22222222227000000000&wl0=&wl1=g&wl2=c&wl3=42423897272&wl4=pla-51320962143&wl5=9052492&wl6=&wl7=&wl8=&wl9=pla&wl10=8175035&wl11=local&wl12=16816083&wl13=1373&veh=sem
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Grand73Am on January 10, 2018, 10:17:39 PM
Also, I suggest wire brushing the fastener before spraying with the "blaster". Small wire brushes like these work well:   https://www.homedepot.com/p/HDX-Assorted-Mini-Brushes-3-Pack-AMB-HDX/206509388
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: olds403 on January 10, 2018, 10:42:06 PM
Nice find....

If you decide to media blast the car and flip it over do entire underside.  Our TATA is down to body only and on a rotisserie  The drivers toe pan to the rear seat was replaced after we found more rust.  You would be amazed how many pin holes we had so we had to cut it all out.  We also replaced the pass rear toe pan as well.  Along with both rear qtrs, rear tail panel, and the deck lid. From the looks of yours you will need some of the inner structure for the rear quarter pans and the rear speaker deck area.  What we did was bought the back 1/2 of a 1979 Firebird and got all the rear end metal we needed except for the tail panel.  We used repo floor pans.  Got those from Jegs. 

I've not update the thread on our TATA lately as too busy with chasing parts for it right now and building the transmission for it. 
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on January 11, 2018, 08:04:58 AM
pb blaster will be your best friend. You will be amazed at how well it works. I think about one of the worst things to take off of these cars is the back bumper. Major PIA to get to a couple of the bolts and even worse if theyre seized.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 11, 2018, 08:50:41 AM
It looks like I will be heading to get some PB Blaster and small wire brushes on my lunch today.  Thanks for the feedback.

Roadking77 - I am having the opposite experience on this TATA.  The front end collected all the road salt and has rusted.  So far, I know I will need to replace a couple of the small support brackets along with the Radiator Core Support.  All of the bolts in the front end have a good amount of rust.  The previous owner must have followed a salt truck every-time he had the car out.  The rear bumper came out pretty easy.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: DeCaff2007 on January 11, 2018, 01:46:07 PM
Where exactly in PA are you?  I'm in NEPA.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on January 11, 2018, 01:47:16 PM
PB Blaster x 100. Great stuff!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 11, 2018, 02:06:54 PM
Where exactly in PA are you?  I'm in NEPA.

I am about 10 minutes North of Reading.  I am new to the area.  Moved here Oct 2016 from upstate NY (Utica area).
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on January 11, 2018, 02:33:47 PM
The bottom corners of the core support can be changed out without having to replace the whole thing, also its a given that the battery tray will need replaced. I would save and mark the bolts you are removing for reference, but get a replacement hardware kit for re-assembly.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: MNBob on January 11, 2018, 07:13:10 PM
Quote
All of the bolts in the front end have a good amount of rust.  The previous owner must have followed a salt truck every-time he had the car out.  The rear bumper came out pretty easy.

Mine had the same thing and I only drove it 2 winters.  There is stress on the bolts and u-nuts so they rust more easily.  Don't know if it is in your budget, but Total Stainless has blacked out stainless steel indented washer head 5/16 x 18 bolts in in 5/8", 3/4" and 1" lengths.  Otherwise you can rehab your originals in Evaporust or buy any 5/16" x 18 bolts.  You can get packs of 50 u-nuts on Amazon for a good price.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 13, 2018, 04:17:19 PM
More progress today.  I would have gotten further if it weren't for the dang rusted U-Nuts.  I swear everyone other one broke and I had to fight to try to get vise grips on the nut to get the bolt out.

Hopefully, get the passenger fender off and the remaining front parts.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/25800836138/in/album-72157689827498181/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/25800872688/in/album-72157689827498181/
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 15, 2018, 06:43:10 PM
Down to only the engine remaining in the front end.  Not quite sure where or what I will be attacking next.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/39692189331/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/38794450225/in/datetaken-public/


Does anyone know what this is?  It was on the passenger front wheel well.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/27913559709/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/27913559709/in/datetaken-public/
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on January 15, 2018, 07:23:38 PM
Looks like one of the old time anti theft systems.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on January 16, 2018, 07:52:14 AM
x2 on the alarm switch. You see them a lot on the outside of the fender (mine included). You need to develop some kind of a plan, not that its the right way but when i did mine i started at the back of the car and worked my way forward. I broke the car down into quarters and did one at a time, getting as much finished in one area as i could before i moved on to the next. Once i had the body finished i then moved to working on the interior. Along the way there may be opportunities to fix/restore smaller items. Like a steering column, taillights, dash, etc. Once i had the car in paint with the just the interior to finish i sent the motor off to be rebuilt. It was finished by the time i had most of the interior done. Then the car went to the shop for install. This all sounds pretty easy but lasted about 5 years in real time!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 21, 2018, 03:30:58 PM
This week consisted of removing the exhaust, fender flares, wiper motor, AC, Motor mount and tranny bolts.  So on to removing the brake lines/cables, gas lines, motor, and tranny.  The floor pans were also ordered this week in preparation for rust repair.

Floor Pan repair areas.
Driver side under rear seat
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/25949652728/in/datetaken-public/

Drivers floor pan
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/39112968424/in/datetaken-public/

Passenger floor pan.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/39112960584/in/datetaken-public/

Trunk needs a patch as well.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on January 22, 2018, 09:52:15 AM
You are making good progress just stay hard at it and keep your eye on the prize at the end!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 22, 2018, 08:10:14 PM
Anyone have tips for removing a windshield?  I tried the cold knife and I couldn't get it to budge into the adhesive.  I may try to pick some cable this week and look for a lucky helper to work the other end.  I have read that someone heated the adhesive to soften it.  One good thing is that the windshield is already cracked, so it doesn't matter if it breaks.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on January 22, 2018, 08:51:16 PM
The windshield removal kit from Harbor Frieght actually works very well I have removed 3 windows with it so far it will require 2 people though.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on January 23, 2018, 08:08:37 AM
I got some wire from the auto parts store, it may have been marketed as windshield removal tool. You can poke it through the seal on an angle, then wrap each end around a piece of 3/4" wood dowell, or a screwdriver handle on both inside and outside. You will need someone inside as well as outside to use a bit of a sawing motion and work your way around. It actually cuts out pretty easy this way. The problem i had with mine was that by the time i got around it was sticking back to itself where i started and when i tried to push it out it cracked. Like you said, you don't have to worry about that though.  If you know a guitar player a string will do the same thing.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 24, 2018, 07:51:08 PM
Windshield is out.  I used the Harbor Freight tool with 2 t-handles and braided wire by myself (thank God for t-tops).

The engine and tranny will be coming out the first weekend of February.  While I am waiting for help on the pulling the engine and tranny, I am stripping the undercarriage (brake and gas lines).  The brake calipers will be coming off as well to make it a true roller in preparation to have the rust repaired.  Starting to get anxious to turn the corner from stripping the car to getting the rust repair.  The rust repair may be a slow process since I will most likely not be doing it myself and will be at the mercy of sourcing this part of the project.

I am still unsure of what to do with the undercarriage, since some of it will be new metal while some will have the old rust proofing.  I would like to get it all sprayed with a bedliner or some other rust protectant.   Does anyone have pictures or suggestions of what they did on there cars?
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: jwm2k3 on January 27, 2018, 09:46:32 AM
I'm in favor of the spray on truckbed liner as an undercoating. Of course I'd remove the old undercoating first.

There's gotta be a 'Dustless Blasting' franchise that is mobile and will come to you....get it all nice and clean, weld in New floors, then spray on the bedliner undercoating.

Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Grand73Am on January 27, 2018, 10:49:59 AM
If the value of your TATA is important to you, I suggest that you do not spray bedliner or undercoating on the bottom. It would be more valuable if you do the bottom side with some restoration detail, like the photo below. The bottom of a 79 was originally black oxide primer. So I suggest painting it with black epoxy primer. PPG's Shop-Line black epoxy works well, is reasonably priced, and is available at a local PPG auto body and paint supply store. Then you can add more protection by spraying over the epoxy primer with some PPG Shop-Line black single stage urethane paint, flattened to a satin sheen so it still looks like black primer. You could ask your dealer to mix the flattened black for you. Notice on the car in the photo below that the outer body color, in this case blue, was originally oversprayed from the rockers over onto the sides of the floor pans. So, you would overspray the sides of your floor pans with your silver paint. You don't have to put your car on a rotisserie like in the photo to do it. If you were going to get under the car to apply bedliner anyway, you'll be able to spray the epoxy primer and paint instead. This will give your car a restored look, which is the detail that future buyers would rather see.

Where you have the old floor with old rust-proofing, I suggest removing the old rust-proofing and cleaning the metal. So, with your new metal, the entire floor bottom would be clean before applying the primer and paint. These paint products will preserve the bottom of your car, so you don't have to worry about that. Any sound and heat proofing, such as Dynamat or other similar products, should be installed on the floor on the inside for that purpose.

(https://i.imgur.com/qXg7X9W.jpg)
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 03, 2018, 06:33:55 PM
I got a little more done today.  The rear window is out.  All gas lines are out.  Rear wiring harness removed and labeled.

Tomorrow is the day that the engine and tranny get pulled.

I believe that I will subbing out the rust repair this coming week.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 04, 2018, 04:04:44 PM
Motor and tranny are out!  Getting down to the bare bones now
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/28305838849/in/album-72157689827498181/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/39375177954/in/album-72157689827498181/

Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 11, 2018, 03:59:59 PM
So the car is back from having new front floor pans and some other rust repairs.  Next step will be dropping the rear end and removing the subframe.

I am hoping to make a mobile cart for the rear end and possibly a tip over jig for the cage.  If anyone has ideas or pictures of ideas....please send them my way.  I would like to start sanding and treating the undercarriage.

Here are a couple before and after photos of the repairs.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/39430554252/in/album-72157689827498181/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/25339981847/in/album-72157689827498181/

https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/24594579307/in/album-72157689827498181/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/40178500972/in/album-72157689827498181/
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on February 11, 2018, 07:06:22 PM
Looks good. Are the floors glued in?

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4614/25339981847_2919d7744c_c.jpg)

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4738/39430554252_e7b0d549db_c.jpg)
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 11, 2018, 07:08:14 PM
Welded, seam sealed, and primed.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on February 12, 2018, 08:39:24 AM
Looks good, glad you found someone to take care of things in a hurry and not let it sit in the back of their shop for months on end.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 16, 2018, 05:26:21 AM
I haven't made much progress since getting my car back from the body shop.

I was able to start soaking my sub-frame bolts with PB, get some trim pieces off (uncovered more rust), and clean up my garage a little bit before I start stripping it down to the cage.

https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/38481014160/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/40290827731/in/datetaken-public/

Does anyone have any tips on pasting actual pictures into the forum instead of copying the link into the text?
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on February 16, 2018, 10:34:21 AM
Yikes, that's pretty ugly, nothing that cant be fixed though.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Grand73Am on February 16, 2018, 04:36:23 PM


https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/38481014160/in/datetaken-public/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/40290827731/in/datetaken-public/

Does anyone have any tips on pasting actual pictures into the forum instead of copying the link into the text?

Nothing to it, since you already have your pics on Flickr. Just click on your picture to bring it up and then click the curved arrow shaped icon down on the right bottom, which is the share icon. When the box comes up, set it at the top for BBCode to get the image code to copy for pasting here in the reply box. Under the image code line is drop-down menu which adjusts the picture size. Set it for a medium size, so the picture doesn't show up on the forum being so big that you have to scroll the page sideways to see it all. Up to 800 x 600 works well. Here are your pics. Looks like you have a little more patch work in your future  :)  :

(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4623/38481014160_4016b5cb06_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/21CrfRo)12247 (https://flic.kr/p/21CrfRo) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 17, 2018, 06:36:10 PM
The dash is out.  It fought me a little and I can honestly say that once the dash wash out I looked at the remains (bundle of wire) and thought what the hell did I get myself into........

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One positive note was that I was able to post actual pictures and NOT links.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on February 17, 2018, 08:16:18 PM
Looking good. Just keep at it. Any progress is good progress and one more small step closer to completion. It also helps to keep you motivated. Ask me how I know.... 4 car projects and 20 years have gone by and none of mine are done. But..... I have made great progress since I signed up here. More work done on my TA in the last two years then the past 20. This is the year for me, I can feel it.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on February 18, 2018, 09:17:36 AM
Good deal on getting the pic thing figured out. As far as the dash goes, that is quite an accomplishment. Those things are a PIA, and yes I think we have all been there with the "what have I gotten myself into".
My brother came by when my car was stripped and half cut apart, his only comment was "I hope you know how to put this thing back together". And I thought the same! 
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 20, 2018, 05:54:10 PM
A little more progress.

The wiring is all out of the car.   I can see re-installing the harness taking me months........
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Next up will be the subframe, rear end, and doors.  I feel that I am getting a little closer to the rotisserie!!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 22, 2018, 05:53:49 AM
The GOAL for this weekend is to remove the sub-frame and rear end.  Since I am a 1 man show, I am looking for tips (I.E. jack points) to safely remove them.  Any tips will be helpful.

I did say goal.....so we will see how far I get.

Thanks!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on February 22, 2018, 08:47:55 AM
I too was/am a one man shop. One thing that helped me greatly was having many jacks and jack stands. I bought four jacks from tractor supply so I could jack the car up level at one time without moving things around. I also kept jack stands under lift points and beyond. I had 4 at the back of the car, 2 at the front of the car and 2 at the front of the subframe. May have been overkill but it worked for me. Good Luck. Keep in mind the centre of gravity is going to change drastically once the frame is removed.
btw, I had a pile of wire about that size that was just junk, from old speakers, alarm wiring, and who knows what else. One of my biggest concerns was getting it all back in, when I finally got to that point after I hooked all back up factory correct I was pleasantly surprised that everything worked!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 22, 2018, 05:06:10 PM
Thanks for the tips and encouragement.

I went out to attempt this tonight, but decided against it and wait until this weekend when I could spend more time on it.  Only accomplishment tonight was the removal the windshield and rear window gaskets.  I guess a little progress is better than nothing.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on February 22, 2018, 10:13:18 PM
Forward progress is always good progress keep the build thread going and we will cheer you along!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 24, 2018, 06:28:26 PM
Thanks for the support.

Today's project was successful.  The sub-frame is officially off.
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It actually wasn't all that bad.  One of the caged nuts gave me fits, but I was fortunate to be able to get some vise grips on it to remove the bolt.

One starter bolt gave me a hard time as well.  As you can see one of them is eaten up by some rust.  All in all the sub-frame looks good.  So it shouldn't be too bad to clean up.

Next up is the rear end.  Hopefully, I will tackle this tomorrow.

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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 25, 2018, 04:08:39 PM
Well.  The rear end is out.
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I think I will take a few days off to decide which direction I should head into next.  I am thinking stripping the sub-frame and get some sandblast/powder coat estimates.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on February 25, 2018, 05:40:57 PM
Looks like you have minimal rust issues to deal with. That subframe looks pretty decent. Great progress!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on February 25, 2018, 08:00:13 PM
Awesome progress just keep moving forward
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on February 26, 2018, 08:33:12 AM
Looking good, I didn't know you moonlighted as the grim reaper! LOL.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: ryeguy2006a on February 26, 2018, 02:19:13 PM
Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on February 26, 2018, 06:46:02 PM
Looking good, I didn't know you moonlighted as the grim reaper! LOL.

That's to protect anyone who wants to mess with my car! HAHA....
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on March 04, 2018, 02:22:10 PM
Well...compared to last weekend I didn't make much progress this weekend.  I started to strip the sub-frame and got to the point where I will need to rent a coil spring compressor.  I did fool around a little with trying to remove the rust.  It doesn't seem like it is going to be awful bad.....just messy.  I have my zipwall on order to contain my mess.
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I would have finished stripping the rear end down, but got into a fight with the leaf springs.  For some reason they are not releasing from the bracket.  It got late so I let them win.  I will attempt again this week to remove them.
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I went to a local Auto Swap Meet today and picked up a ball joint fork to assist with removing the steering linkage.

Until next time!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on March 04, 2018, 06:00:54 PM
My springs ended up coming out in pieces... many of the leafs broke in half. Probably because I used a hand sledge. Good luck!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on March 04, 2018, 09:20:32 PM
You just need a 2-4lb hammer they will come right out with a little muscle make sure to move that rear window first. Your making good progress
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on March 07, 2018, 08:42:48 AM
Unfortunately, no progress to report on.  But, I did want to put it out there that I will be needing a replacement hood and radiator core support.  PM me if you have any leads.  I am in south east PA (near reading).

Hopefully my next entry will be showing some progress.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: ryeguy2006a on March 07, 2018, 09:07:03 AM
Spring Carlisle is towards the end of April. Huge show, and you could probably get a brand new core support at a show discount and no shipping.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on March 07, 2018, 09:18:01 AM
Spring Carlisle is towards the end of April. Huge show, and you could probably get a brand new core support at a show discount and no shipping.

Will definitely be hitting the Spring Event.  Carlisle is a little over an hour away from me.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on March 07, 2018, 11:02:13 PM
I love the TATA's.  Good luck with it...I'm looking forward to following along.
 I'm about 90 miles from Carlisle and was thinking of going to the spring swap meet too.  I've been to other stuff there, but this would be my first time at the swap meet.  Maybe if a few TAC members are going we could meet for lunch?

 I felt the same way about the wiring, but it turned out to be less trouble than I thought it would be.   A couple suggestions...In addition to the shop manual wire diagrams, you can get color laminated copies from at least one of the popular restoration parts catalogs.  Ames maybe?  The color laminated ones were a big help for a novice like myself.  Another thing that helped me a lot was tacking the harness to a piece of lauan plywood approximately 2.5' x 4'.  Spread the harness out on it and tack it down using masking tape as tabs to nail or staple through.  I used different color tape to mark opening points where wires exited the harness. Then just worked from one end to the other taking out what was not needed, cleaning etc. and putting a quick wrap of masking tape every couple feet to keep things from moving around too much.   By attaching it to the board we could move it around the garage to put aside when we were working on other stuff.  This kept all the wires in the same relative positions. There are some pics in my build thread.  If I got through it most anyone can.  I had 0 experience with that type of work before we tackled ours.

Where are you at in PA?  I'm in SE PA, a few miles west of Philly. 

 This community's been a big help to me...I'm sure you'll find the same.  Don't hesitate to post questions or ask for input. I found there's nothing I wasn't doing or considering doing that someone else here hasn't already done or worked through.   Learned a lot from these guys!
Good luck...Keep at it!

-Tom

   
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on March 08, 2018, 07:05:17 AM
Tom - Thanks for the tips on the wiring.  I will definitely be reviewing your thread.  I'm not sure when I will be heading to the Spring Carlisle, but I would be up to meeting other T/A enthusiasts.

I am about 10 miles north of Reading on RT. 222.

Hopefully this weekend will be spent wrestling with the PITA leaf springs.  If my coil spring compressor comes in I will be removing the coil springs and A-arms as well.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on March 09, 2018, 08:34:49 AM
Don't want to hijack, but as of now I am planning a trip to Carlisle on Friday. I try to get there fairly early, Sat is too crowded for me. Let me know your plans Tom. I will get in touch with you guys about this for a meet n greet.
If you place an order with Ames they will have it waiting for you there and saves on shipping. I have done this several times in the past. Last fall they were a bit of a disappointment though. They didn't have a lot of merchandise for f body's, and there didn't seem to be any show discount. Prices were same as their catalog with the exception of saving on shipping. There is one guy in particular who always has a lot of firebird stuff, he usually brings doors, fenders, grilles and stuff like that. I think I have his info I will pass it on.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on March 10, 2018, 06:11:16 PM
You aren't hijacking here.  The more the merrier.  It would be nice to some some TAC members together at Carlisle.  If the weather cooperates I am planning on going Friday as well.

Anyway, once again I down played the time and difficulty of removing the coil springs, A-arms, etc from the subframe.  I thought that I would have the subframe free of all components and sanding started.  Right to the point where I would be running to Eastwood in the morning to pickup PRE, Rust Encapsulator, and Chassis paint.

Well, as you can see from the pictures below, I was only able to degrease the subframe and remove 1 coil spring.  To my credit I did get a late start due to having to go to Advance Auto to pick up the coil spring remover, unbox and hook up my new air compressor, and remove the leaf springs from the rear end. 

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Well their is always tomorrow.....RIGHT!?
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on March 11, 2018, 12:29:34 AM
You are right it will all be there for tomorrow I know it is a PITA then after its all a part then the work of getting those bushings out is the next ordeal. Just keep pressing forward you will get there.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on March 11, 2018, 02:31:24 PM
Well everything except the engine mounts have been removed from the subframe.  I screwed around scraping off the rust proofing and wire brushing a portion of it.  It seems to be cleaning up well.  I am not sure if I like rust proofing.  I am thankful that Rusty Jones was on my car, but boy what a pain it is to remove.

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I hope I can dedicate some time this week to knock the rust off of it to prep for the next step.

YES - the bushings and ball joints do not appear that they are going to be a joy when I tackle them.  So if there are any good tips, please send them my way.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Grand73Am on March 11, 2018, 02:58:28 PM
Best advice I can give for the ball joints and bushings is to read the instructions in the 78 Pontiac Service manual. The 79 manual is just a small supplement to the 78, so all that front suspension info is in the big 78 manual. Some of the tools in the manual you won't have, so you'll have improvise. I use an air chisel for removing old bushings. Spraying them with some PB Blaster penetrant helps them come out easier sometimes. I use a hydraulic shop press for pressing in the new bushings.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on March 11, 2018, 09:15:31 PM
The best way I have found for me to remove old bushings I use a drill and drill thru the rubber until I can remove the inner steel sleeve and rubber. Then I use a sawzaw to cut the outer steel sleeve the bushing will just fall out. To install them I use a bushing installer from Harbor Frieght it works pretty good for me.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on March 15, 2018, 06:28:04 PM
Alright, all bushings are out.  Next step is removing the ball joints once I pick up a ball joint remover.  Then comes the prep for the chassis paint.  I think mentally I need to see some finish work to keep up the motivation.  I am looking forward to some assembly work for a change of pace.

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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on March 16, 2018, 12:57:23 AM
Don't get discouraged I know this part you are at now can be very over whelming and it will seem like it will never end! But keep the dreams alive and you will reach what you have been working hard towards. I know what really helped me I hired a kid from the body shop that was wanting to learn car restoration and I payed him a couple weekends to help me out on the clean up process. Right about where you are with your build he only helped me less than a dozen times, but it was a major boost in moral plus he came pretty cheap. Keep up the good work!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on March 31, 2018, 07:54:35 PM
Finally got back into the garage today to finish sanding the sub frame and also got 2 coats of Rust Convertor on it.  Unfortunately, no pictures with the rust convertor.  Maybe, tomorrow I can sneak back out there for additional pictures.  My plans are next is to put Eastwood Chassis Extreme on it.
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Also got the doors off and the body onto the rotisserie.  Thanks Roadking!
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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on April 03, 2018, 07:45:47 AM
Looking good.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: olds403 on April 03, 2018, 09:54:56 PM
Nice...glad to see it being saved.  We have one on the flipper as well. 
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on April 08, 2018, 06:08:06 AM
After a trip to Eastwood, I finally made some time to go in the garage to work on the subframe.  I got some rust encapsulator on the control arms as well as a coat of Chassis matte black on the subframe.
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Also, since I am feeling a little better about making progress on the subframe, I tidied up the body on the rotis to get a better look of the undercarriage.  My initial thoughts without digging in that it is in pretty good shape.  There are a few rust spots that I will have to encapsulate, but all in all I think I am just going to rough it up and coat with some undercoating.
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This week I am hoping to get the rear ready to be painted.  I also need to get my mental list of wants at Carlisle down on paper, although I will probably walk away with 1 or 2 items.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on April 08, 2018, 05:07:51 PM
Glad to see the twirler in action and getting use!  Not sure if theres still time, but keep in mind if you want to buy anything from Ames, they will bring it to Carlisle and save on shipping.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 1975W87 on April 08, 2018, 11:01:30 PM
 mereness, just read thru your thread. You did a lot of work in a short time! Keep at it. Eventually you will reach a point when all the rust is gone , and the car is painted. Then begins the re-assembly much cleaner work and a lot of satisfaction. In my opinion the most enjoyable part of a restoration. Best of luck.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on April 09, 2018, 06:29:15 PM
Thanks for the positive words.

I am starting to research brakes, calipers, and pads.  Does anyone have good or bad experiences with brands or vendors that they care to share???
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on April 09, 2018, 09:37:49 PM
Look at you with a freakin' rotisserie!  It may not feel like it, but you are cruising along!  Keep at it! I'm impressed.

I bought just about all my brake parts from Ames. There's some detail on page one of my build thread,  but here's what I remember...
The brake line kit was good, the brake line clip set was not (The clips were OK, but the bolts were wrong).  With 4wheel disc, the rear calipers were only available as remanufactured parts (Not sure if that's changed).  The first RR caliper I got would not seal(There's some info further on in my thread about that issue).  The other thing I remember was that the banjo bolts from NPD didn't fit.  I think I had to go to a local NAPA with one of the old ones to match it  up.
I have all the details, Part numbers, $$, and vendors I used to replace every part of my '81 4WDSC set up (Except the Parking brake parts, which I haven't done yet.) If that sort of detail might be helpful,  let me know.  It's right in a spreadsheet and would take only a minute to copy and paste it out for you.

My project has had to take an entirely different route than yours. But, one of the things I've found satisfying is picking off small side projects as I could. We've also been marking milestones by writing a particular system or project completion on the garage wall and signing it with a date.  Sounds silly, but it's something.

I'm going to plan on going to Carlisle Friday 4/20.  As long as nothing comes up with work, I'll send a PM to Roadking next week.  It'll be nice if we can meet up for a few.

Take care
-Tom

 
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on April 11, 2018, 06:35:43 PM
Pardon the highjack, but please send me an email Tom, As of now I am still planning on Carlisle.
Kerry
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on April 11, 2018, 07:46:11 PM
Hey Kerry, no worries, Mereness was thinking of going too...I think.
Sent both you guys an Email.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on April 18, 2018, 06:09:50 PM
Santa (aka Rock Auto) has been leaving multiple packages on the front porch for me every afternoon.  Thankfully I get home from work before my wife!  LOL

Although I haven't been posting much lately, I have made some progress.  The subframe is painted and starting to reassemble.  The part that I am dreading is next.....installing new coil springs.  For some reason this scares the sh1t out of me.
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This weekend will be the assembling of the final parts to the subframe, that's if I don't make a second trip to Carlisle.  Also, I am starting to consider what rims I would like to put on her.  I know I don't care for the original TATA rims.  I am thinking of putting the Honeycomb rims on.  We will see what Carlisle has to offer.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on April 19, 2018, 05:54:10 AM
Springs are no big deal. Just be smart. If the new springs are lowering springs than you have much less of a fight.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Gene-73 on April 19, 2018, 10:29:03 AM
I saw in your photo the type of spring compressor you used, and I could not get that type to work at all when I removed my coil springs recently.  In fact, I rented two different styles and both were a no-go. 

I ended up buying one of these since no one rented it locally -https://www.amazon.com/OTC-7045B-Front-Spring-Compressor/dp/B000GTJ5I8 (https://www.amazon.com/OTC-7045B-Front-Spring-Compressor/dp/B000GTJ5I8)

It made the whole process unbelievably easy as it's a really well designed tool.  I happened to get it considerably cheaper through one of their warehouse deals, but even at full price it would be worth it.  You can always resell it when you're done.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on April 20, 2018, 09:08:12 AM
Good Luck with the front end work. That's one spot I chickened out on. I still need to get it rebuilt. Although, for its age the car still handles remarkably well. I cant imagine what new parts will feel like. I hear ya on the package delivery. Although my wife was somewhat understanding, I got an earful everytime parts came to the door. It was "what did you order now?". I tried to order things by predicting the delivery date, but it seemed like everything showed up on Fridays anyway, My wifes day off!!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on April 26, 2018, 06:55:10 PM
Yeah, my wife has been pretty good as well.  She seems to be understanding for far.

So I haven't made much progress lately.  My coil springs and I have been fighting and to tell you the truth they are really kicking my ass!!!

I am looking for some advice (step by step instructions) for the the best way to install coil springs while the subframe is off of the car.  I now have two coil spring compressors (OTC and the hook type that is internal to the coil).  Is it best to install them with the lower control arm off of the subframe?  Do you compress the coil to the lower control while it is attached to the subframe?  I have been 3 rounds with these things and sore as can be.  Hopefully I will get some good advice from TAC.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on April 26, 2018, 07:18:25 PM
Just found this link
http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=4042.0

I feel round 4 coming up on Saturday morning!!!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: critter on April 26, 2018, 07:28:01 PM
First of all, always secure those springs to the best of your ability. I had one get away from me on my first restoration and it punched a hole in the drywall of my garage, that got my attention.

You want that lower control arm on there and the nut for the ball joint handy if you get it in the pockets. You only want to do this once.

I wrap a chain around the springs at least 2 times, 3 if you have enough chain. The reason is if you're compressing the spring and the compressor slips at least the spring will only jump as far as the chain that you wrapped around it. Less chance of that sucker jumping up and biting you.

I put a floor jack under the lower control arm. I put any weight I can find on top of the sub frame. If you have some quick-crete bags or sand in bags laying around they work well. LOL. Or fill bags with rocks. Whatever. Get as much weight on the sub so doesn't move. (this is why it's better to do this after the sub is mounted on the car).

I used the hook type compressor and an impact wrench. Wrap that chain and tie off the ends some way. Compress the crap out of the springs and put a bolt through the chain to hold it in case the compressor might pop. Stuff the compressed spring in the pocket with the floor jack. Lord willing it's compressed enough to jack up the bottom A arm  and get a nut on that ball joint stud.

Pray a lot. God is your co-pilot.  :-o :D :D :D
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on April 27, 2018, 06:31:33 AM
After reading critters tutorial, and your experience with this, I am more convinced than ever to let someone else do mine. Good Luck KM. 
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Gene-73 on April 28, 2018, 01:38:07 AM
Maybe this will help.  Here are some photos and measurements of my stock compressed springs immediately after removing them from the car using the OTC spring compressor.  Notice how the plates are almost to the ends of the spring.  That's the beauty of the OTC tool.  Because the plates fit pretty much within the diameter of the spring, I was able to "wind" them up into the top pocket and down almost to the very bottom of the lower control arm so the tool could grab 7 out of 10 coils.  I couldn't do this with the hook type compressor because the hooks extended out over the edge of the coil and were blocked by the subframe and lower control arm so they wouldn't go anywhere near the ends.  I could only get the hooks over 3 or 4 coils which meant that over half of the coil wasn't getting compressed.  Also, the flat plates made it super easy to get them inside the coil to start, unlike the hooks.

(http://grcvisuals.com/firebird/spring-compressor1.jpg)

(http://grcvisuals.com/firebird/spring-compressor2.jpg)

For re-installation, the process is to load the plates in the same positions (I marked mine with blue tape) and compress the spring to the compressed length when removed (~12.5" in my case) with the OTC compressor and it should drop right in.  Of course, don't forget to install in the right direction and to line up the end of the spring with the "socket" in the lower control arm.  By compressing the springs to this length, it shouldn't matter if the subframe is on or off the car because the compressed size fits within the dimensions of the spindle and ball joints.

As a precaution while compressing/un-compressing the springs, I put the spring on the floor and place a sheet of heavy plywood over it to stand on while wrenching the tool (IIRC, someone on TAC recommended that).  This puts the spring on the other side of the board from me just in case.  Also, don't place the spring in line with you or anyone else when handling.

I found this YouTube video series helpful for the overall process. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGBZ3IH3sYI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGBZ3IH3sYI)
A little dated, but professionally done.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: cyber104 on April 28, 2018, 04:26:18 AM
Now that's a nice spring compressor!  I used the hook type on mine recently and is was a challenge to get the hooks oriented so that they would not interfere with the subframe.

I hope you have better luck with the Eastwood Extreme Chassis Black than I did.

For some reason the adhesion doesn't seem to be very good.  My subframe was steam cleaned down to bare metal.  It had no rust and was basically smooth metal.  I tried POR15 and that just came off in sheets (removed it by sticking Gorilla tape to it and pulling the tape back off).  Then the Eastwood Black.  Better - but still not great - I even used the proper primer and wiped everything down with lacquer thinner first.  I'm guessing maybe it would have been a good idea to use an etching solution or a light sanding.

You are coming along nicely on the subframe - it does seem a daunting task but you'll get it done!

Chris
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on May 03, 2018, 06:07:03 AM
Looking good. Installing the front springs on my TA was one of the most nerve racking couple hours I’ve had in my life.  My borrowed compressor was sketch at best.
Very satisfying once complete though.  Nice job.
 I had good results with POR15 on my subframe and control arms.  I did use their etching prep before the POR15. It’s held up well working around it for the past year or so.
Keep it up!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on May 03, 2018, 06:51:44 PM
Coil springs are in!!  I was able to complete them this past weekend.  It took 2 different style of spring compressors (OTC and the hook styles) along with many vulgar words, which I think I made up a few new ones!!  The way that I found best was using the hook style compressor going through the shock tower.  Oh and I also used 2 straps for assistance/safety.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/823/27897098668_4a3f8c1379_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JvaVvN)0428181446 (https://flic.kr/p/JvaVvN) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

This may be redneck engineering, but hey it worked and I have all of my limbs.

Scheduled for this weekend is to finish up assembling the subframe and the rear end if time and patience permits.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: critter on May 03, 2018, 07:40:22 PM
I'm very happy you not only completed it but were safe while getting it done. Good job.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on May 03, 2018, 09:00:31 PM
Great! Good to hear.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on May 04, 2018, 07:21:11 AM
Congrats on getting that done. The rest should be easy.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on May 04, 2018, 08:45:17 PM
Some people make it look easy, I wasn't one of them either.  We ended up pulling up into the seat through the shock mount too.  It is true that this was one of the most pressing jobs we've tackled thus far...So I concur with Roadking, it's all a down hill cruise from here!  Especially since you finished this job with all your fingers intact. A job well done!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Grand73Am on May 04, 2018, 08:57:12 PM
I love my OTC 7045B spring compressor. Best and safest I've ever used.

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/903/41854893472_00fccc1451_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26LzgCm)DSCN5994 (https://flic.kr/p/26LzgCm) by grand73am (https://www.flickr.com/photos/67172480@N05/), on Flickr
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on May 05, 2018, 04:44:16 AM
Glad I went with lowering springs. I didn't have any issues or thoughts that scared me. I didn't have to compress them much and they dropped right in. I think my car even sits a bit high in the front but I still have to put the nose and hood on... Again, glad you still have your digits and the job is completed. Another line scratched off the to do list.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on May 05, 2018, 09:03:42 PM
Glad to see you got them both in safely! I hate putting cool springs I just finished putting a set in a Fox body of mine I started to post it up on here but didn't want to be scolded for posting a Fox body build. For me it's such an accomplishment and the build feels all down hill from there! Great work looking good!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on May 06, 2018, 05:46:18 AM
All - thanks for the words of encouragement and compliments on trudging through the coil spring debacle.

I got to spend some time on more satisfying work yesterday by building out the subframe and rear end.  The rear end went pretty well.  The stabilizer bar in the front end was the most difficult.

Rear - pretty much a smooth build and ready to re-install once I prep the undercarriage of the body, which is my next largest task.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/963/40118489640_e694c11be1_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2488Kgf)0505181622 (https://flic.kr/p/2488Kgf) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

The front end was pretty smooth up until trying to tighten the drivers side stabilizer bracket to the subframe.  I will touch on that soon.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/911/41207980254_eda05e5dea_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25MpESb)0505181621 (https://flic.kr/p/25MpESb) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/959/40118476850_2beeb16873_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2488FsJ)0505181621a (https://flic.kr/p/2488FsJ) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

So where I struggled and need some advice on.  While trying to tighten the drivers side stabilizer bracket to the subframe, the self tapping bolts stripped.  I believe these are M10 bolts and they are supposed to compress the bushing while tightening.   You can see the pictures below.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/863/41026612685_fbb2680944_b.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/25vo7B8)0506180724 (https://flic.kr/p/25vo7B8) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr
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Now there isn't any way I can meet the bolt inside the subframe with a nut to tighten these bolts.  My only thought was to tap the hole so I can put a larger diameter bolt in its place.  Does anyone have any thoughts or past experience that they can lend some advice?  I am on the home stretch with the subframe and would like to wheel it to the side and start on the undercarriage.  SO close........
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on May 06, 2018, 06:25:54 AM
Yup, use the windshield wire. It is pretty sharp. I've done quite a few of them this way.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: cyber104 on May 06, 2018, 06:30:57 AM
In my opinion just tap to the next largest size - it might be easier to go with an American equivalent thread at this point - 7/16 might work - I think it's slightly larger than the M10.  I think your next option in Metric will be M12 (or 1/2") and that will be huge.

The other thing you could try is getting a serrated nut and tape it to a piece of heavy copper wire and try to fish it into place thru the front box section or another access hole.  The only downside is that is you ever need to service the bushing while the car is together it might be a real PIA since access will be limited at that point 
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on May 06, 2018, 07:05:07 AM
Nice work, I had a stand I made for the rear I forgot to give you! LOL.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: critter on May 06, 2018, 08:22:17 AM
I've seen folks do everything from drilling out hole in the subframe and welding in a rounded off nut with the proper inside diameter/threads to simply oversizing and going to next bigger bolt (common). Some folks like these. I've used one to repair a stripped head bolt hole in a block just before a race The repair outlasted the block.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyCTh23Z6o0
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on May 06, 2018, 09:38:11 AM
This is a PITA what I did was drop in a bolt thru the top and put the nut on from the bottom hit it with my impact to tighten it up with out using a back up. Getting the bolt in on the driver side was the hardest but definitely doable especially in your case with the subframe out of the car.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: MNBob on May 06, 2018, 03:50:18 PM
This is a pretty common problem and most use rivnuts to fix the stripped holes.  Here is the main thread on this topic, but you can also search on rivnuts:

http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=57081 (http://transamcountry.com/community/index.php?topic=57081)
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: ryeguy2006a on May 07, 2018, 05:40:29 AM
What I did was drilled out the hole until it was large enough to fit a flange nut into it. Then welded it all around the flange. It worked really well and gives you a lot of meat to bolt the sway bar to.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on May 07, 2018, 07:46:33 PM
Thanks for all of the great ideas.  If I had access to a welder and someone to weld, I would probably go that route.  So I will probably drill and tap it.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on May 07, 2018, 09:08:37 PM
With this type of restoration you are probably going to need a welder sooner or later. Now maybe the time to pick up a small MIG welder.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: ryeguy2006a on May 08, 2018, 05:47:21 AM
Yeah, I would agree that you will likely need a welder in the near future. For what it's worth, I've done all the welding on my car with a Miller 135. I picked it up several years ago for $425 bucks. One of the best tools I have bought hands down. It's more than paid for itself, even with non-car related fixes.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on May 08, 2018, 06:04:59 AM
Mig welder can be your best friend. I started with a Hobart that was about 30 yrs old, when it finally died I got a Lincoln. It was very nice, but one of the things I lost in the fire. Have yet to replace it, but will need to soon. Like Ryan said, its one of those tools that once you have it you will be amazed at how many welding projects you will start.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on May 08, 2018, 07:18:58 AM
I take it for granted and assume everyone has one.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on May 08, 2018, 06:59:20 PM
I have to admit that I don't know the first thing about welding or welders, but I may have to start researching them.... 

I was able to tap and get the 2 bolts installed, but don't fully like it.  I can see myself taking it back apart and starting over.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on May 13, 2018, 01:54:26 PM
I don't have any suggestions about the stripped out hole, it sounds like you have a few to consider already.
 I did remember having a hard time getting my sway bar installed though.  I mentioned it on page one of my build thread.  I don't know if this is the right way, but..
 It looks like you have your end links already bolted up...I bolted in the frame mounts first, then I backed them out almost all the way in order to get some slack to pull the bar down on to the end link (just enough to get the threads started on the top end link bolt.   I think I remember loosening the end link from the bottom a bit too (in order to move it vertically a little to get a few more threads exposed at the top in order to start the top bolt).  Once the end link bolt was on the started in a few threads,  I  tightened everything  down a little at a time...Tighten the frame bolts a bit, then the end link a bit, back and forth until it all pulled into place.
Maybe this info will help a little once you get the stripped hole worked out. 
Good luck!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on May 22, 2018, 04:48:04 PM
Thanks for all of the great ideas.  I was able to use a slightly larger tap and tighten up the sway bar.  Although it I have it fully tighten I am not sure that I thoroughly like it.  I may go the rivnut route.

Anyway I have made some progress since my last post.  The rear and subframe are buttoned up.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/957/40332265050_f189731845_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24s2pfb)0515181941 (https://flic.kr/p/24s2pfb) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

They are pushed to the side.  I arranged my garage to stage the body to work on next.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/969/42138937081_11e03cba6e_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/27cF4TX)0515181942a (https://flic.kr/p/27cF4TX) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

Saturday was pretty wet, but mother nature did allow me to wheel out the rotis long enough to degrease and power wash the body.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/962/40481794220_fd21f52d96_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/24FeM4j)0517181822 (https://flic.kr/p/24FeM4j) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

I will try to get better pictures soon although this weekend I will be heading back to NY to visit family.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on June 05, 2018, 06:51:46 PM
So it has been a little while since I last posted.  Some progress has been made.  I was able to finish the undercarriage up.  It actually wasn't too awful bad, thanks to the good ole Rusty Jones under coating from the dealership.  I did find three other small holes in the floor pan from wire brushing.  The largest of the holes is less than an 1/8 of an inch.  So I am researching ways to close these up without having to have someone at the house to weld them shut.

Here are some of the finished results of the undercarriage.  I used all Eastwood products (Rust Converter, Rust Encapsulator, and Rubberized Under Coating).

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1738/40794579740_5df7f7a346_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/259STi7)0605181820c (https://flic.kr/p/259STi7) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1737/41700858915_abdcb6ae51_h.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26wXNw8)0605181837 (https://flic.kr/p/26wXNw8) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

Next up is trying to figure out if I should do the interior metal work and body work from the rotis or drop it down on it's 4 wheels.  I am anxious to get it on it's wheels again to gain room in my garage, even though it would be easiest to do start the body work on the rotis.......
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on June 05, 2018, 09:58:13 PM
I'd put it on its wheels if it were me.  For the satisfaction alone, but I think it'd be easier too.
Nice to see you got a good rust free undercarriage, most are not so lucky.

Keep at it!

-Tom
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on June 06, 2018, 06:41:38 AM
Looking good. I tend to agree with Tom. Unless you have rockers to weld in, which in your case they look pretty solid. I think I would get it back to a roller. That should make working on the body much easier. One thing I would probably do first before taking it off though, would be sand the top of the car. That would make it a bit easier to reach with a somewhat vertical position. I have a bench I used when working on mine, but in hindsight it would have been easier on the rotiss.  Once you have the wheels back on get a set of wheel dollies and you will be able to move the car easily in any direction to work on it. I got some cheapies at Tractor supply, with steel wheels that worked great. They even went thru my fire and still work fine! Then when you need some height under do the cribbing trick that Ryan uses.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on June 06, 2018, 07:45:03 PM
I am definitely getting anxious to get it back on it's 4 wheels.  I have 1 set of dollies I will have to grab another set.  Didn't really give it a thought about doing the roof before taking it off of the rotis....Thanks Kerry.  Probably will leave it on the rotis long enough to sand and epoxy the real wheel wells, rockers, and roof.  Does any one have experience with any rattle can epoxy primers????  I know that Eastwood makes a 2K and it got pretty good reviews on their site.

I will have to search Ryan's forum to check his cribbing out.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on June 07, 2018, 02:42:36 PM
No experience with the epoxy rattle cans. I wouldn't waste my time. Just get a cheap Harbor freight 1.4 or 1.5 hvlp gun and some shop line epoxy from your local paint store. It's pretty easy to spray. I like to add a tiny bit of acetone to help it flow. Or spin hear is really good but I have never used it... Just my opinion. Money better spent on tools that you can reuse.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on June 08, 2018, 05:09:15 AM
I cant imagine the chemical makeup of the paint itself is that far off from can to spray bomb. I used the 2part paint from eastwood on the metal dash in my car. It worked great, came out nice and still looks good. Biggest issue is once its activated you have to use the whole can.  Having said that I dont disagree with form ta's logic though. If you have a compressor i would go the route of getting a cheapy gun. The aeorosals are expensive and in the long run the cost difference may not be that much. It will be more efficient with a spray gun. I went thru a couple when i sprayed my primer. I got them at lowes for about $30 ea.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on June 08, 2018, 06:00:03 AM
Roadking hit it. I forgot to mention that fact. Once the can is used you have to use it all as it is a 2 part chemical reaction.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on June 17, 2018, 06:51:52 PM
So with yard work and other outside activities progress has been extremely slow on my resto.  I thought I was making some progress when I went to Philly and NJ to pick up a new deck lid and a restored radiator support.  I was amped about the radiator support.  It was already sandblasted and painted.  When I got it home I think I ended up with a radiator support for a 73-76 that is in awesome shape.  It is to bad that my car is a 79.  Does anyone know if this support can be used in a 79.  I attached the picture comparing the one I took out next to the new one.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/883/41965051705_da006f96b8_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/26WiRQe)0617181656b (https://flic.kr/p/26WiRQe) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/884/27996896097_de224ad1c5_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/JDZpP8)0617181656 (https://flic.kr/p/JDZpP8) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on June 18, 2018, 11:57:49 AM
That stinks. I have no idea what year that is for.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Gene-73 on June 18, 2018, 01:09:58 PM
Yup, your new one looks just like the one for my '73.  From the looks of it, seems like it wouldn't work for your '79.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on September 03, 2018, 05:59:24 PM
Well....the summer has been busy.  I really hadn't made any progress on my project up until today.  I started sanding the body down to get it ready from epoxy primer.  Luckily I haven't uncovered too many horrible surprises.   There are a couple of pin holes that I discovered, but nothing major.

I was going to sand around the trunk and wanted to remove the trunk springs.  I tried a few things but was unsuccessful.  One spring is broken, but the other one had some tension on it and I really didn't want to spear myself so I left it to the forum to instruct me.  I figured this was covered on the forum somewhere, but I couldn't find it.  Can someone provide guidance to safely remove these springs? 

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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on October 04, 2018, 09:06:55 PM
So I was able to make a little more progress and am getting closer getting the car back on all 4's.  The body was sanded down to bare metal, wiped down with pre-paint rep, and then epoxy primed.  Any surface rust was sanded as much as possible then treated with Eastwood Rust Convertor and wiped down with pre-paint prep prior to priming.  All of the interior was scuffed up with a red scotch brite and epoxied.

This was the first time that I had a paint gun in my hand.  All in all I am pretty pleased with the way it turned out.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1937/44850456971_87605a2728_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2bkhjhT)0922181722 (https://flic.kr/p/2bkhjhT) by Kevin Mereness (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152130756@N03/), on Flickr

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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 4wheeling79 on October 04, 2018, 09:38:06 PM
Wow that doesn't look like a first time painter to me nice work! Keep pressing forward you are making good head way.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on October 05, 2018, 06:56:37 AM
Hope you didn't get overspray on the rotiss.! LOL,  Looks fantastic!! body looks to be really straight as well, though I am pretty sure it was original paint so that kept some of the mystery of what was hiding away.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: ryeguy2006a on October 05, 2018, 08:50:05 AM
Wow, great work there! Looks really straight and solid.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on October 05, 2018, 08:51:29 AM
Wow! Looks great! Most would kill for a body that rot free and straight! What brand of epoxy and gun did you go with?
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on October 05, 2018, 07:16:13 PM
Thanks to all for the kind words.

Kerry - The rotis is working out great.  With any luck I will have it unmounted and returned next month.....Just in time for your new project.

I used Eastwood Epoxy Primer and a cheap Harbor Freight gun.

I have been on the road for work and have the itch to get more work done on it.  I hope to have another update in a couple of weeks.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on October 05, 2018, 11:24:06 PM
Looks great Kevin!  I know what you mean  by Summers flying by with little time for the project.  I've found the same thing over each of the past 3 summers.
Sorry I missed your trunk/deck lid spring question last month.   There's info and video in my build thread I made for both the removal and installation.  I had run into the same thing as you...not being able to find a good write up on them.   When it comes time to put them back on,  check out my thread.  The Fisher Body instructions are referenced with details on the removal on page 2.  Installation is on the 3rd page of my thread. Hope it helps.

Keep at it!

-Tom
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on October 17, 2018, 06:41:37 PM
Finally got the rear installed (loosely) and the car off of the rotis.  Is there any site where I can find the torque specs for installing the rear into the along with the bolts for the diff cover?  One other question about the rear end.  Can I use Royal Purple 75W-140 gear oil in the rear?

I did find a little more rust on the tail pin with some pin holes but nothing major.  I am hoping to get the trunk and tail pan epoxied this weekend.  After that the next step will be prepping the firewall for epoxy before installing the subframe.  It seems like every time I turn around to look at the car I find more things that I need to do.  I definitely need a dry erase board to keep track.  I believe ryeguy recommended this in his posts.

So long for now...
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on October 19, 2018, 07:02:58 AM
Great accomplishment to get the car back on the ground.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 01, 2019, 02:47:04 PM
It most certainly has been awhile since I last posted.  My build thread is almost on page 3.  My bad.

I have been making some progress.  I have both the front and rear end installed.
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I have most of the panels epoxy primed and have been busy installing them.
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Driver side is coming together as well.  I was able to pick up a driver side door that was in slightly better shape than the one that came on it.  I would have liked to kept the original because it had all the original data on the ID Sticker.  It even has the Rusty Jones sticker.  Does anyone know how to remove these without ruining them?
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The front fascia and bumper, along with the rear pumper are all stripped and epoxied as well.  The are just waiting for me.

I keep getting asked from family and friends what direction will I head in to next, engine, body filler/urethane primer, interior, etc.  I don't think that I am ready to jump into the body work and not sure what I am doing for an engine yet.  I am looking for suggestions.......
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on January 02, 2019, 08:17:16 AM
Looks good to have a complete car again.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Jack on January 03, 2019, 09:44:58 PM
Looking good, and you should tackle the engine assembly as well.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on January 06, 2019, 10:20:24 PM
Progress looks great from here.   Sounds like it's time to make a decision on the drive train and begin work on that. I think that's what I'd do next if I were in your position.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Nexus on January 08, 2019, 03:09:56 AM
Great project...your doing a fantastic job...I look forward to more updates
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on January 08, 2019, 06:44:48 AM
A little more progress made this past weekend.  I was able to get the windows in the doors operating properly and the door strikers installed.  I have one small item that I seem to have misplaced.  It is a clip the attaches the door lock linkage to the door handle.  I will have to search for that.  Ebay has one but you have to purchase the linkage and clip for $8.

Hopefully this week I will be installing the deck lid, rear bumper, front bumper and fascia.  After I have that installed I would to prep and install the hood.

I am starting to search engine options as well.  Most of which depends on my budget.  I had thought about picking up a 350 and freshen it up, add a few things for additional horsepower, until I decide what I really want. 

Thanks again for the words of encouragement.  They are very helpful in forging ahead.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: ryeguy2006a on January 09, 2019, 06:54:02 AM
Wow, you are making some great progress there! Car really looks great.

You know what I'll say about the engine. 8) Depending on what your budget is for the drivetrain, you can definitely do an LS swap fairly cost effectively. Biggest things are fuel and engine mounts which the aftermarket have really nailed down lately.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on January 09, 2019, 08:53:55 AM
I am a die hard Pontiac guy, and believe in Pontiac power. With that being said, and at the risk of being banned from TAC, I will add my 2c. Have you considered a crate motor? Complete packages are fairly inexpensive. Not going to win anything at the race track but seems to be a quick turnaround to get the car on the road. If you decide on something else down the road then work on a swap. Problem with this is that youre going to end up with 2 motors, as the first may be hard to get rid of. You will end up with more money into it in the long run than a decent rebuild. Upside is that your car is on the road quicker, and you may find that it offers plenty of power for what you need the car to do and wont want to do a swap.

My build philosophy was different than almost everyone else who has ever done a car. I wanted the car to be complete before I worked on the motor. I was hoping to be able to complete the project but was not 100% sure it would happen. I have seen too many adds for guys selling project cars in pieces with complete drivetrains that have many thousands of dollars "invested" only to sell for pennies on the dollar. I didn't want to have a pile of money in a motor and then give up on the rest. My thinking was to have the car complete and the motor would be the easy part (which it was because I farmed that out, lol).

The guy who built my motor wanted to know how far along my car was, he would not do the work unless the car was ready. He said he had been burnt in the past by guys who would let the thing sit for years before the car was done.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on January 09, 2019, 01:54:39 PM
To add to that, and coming from a LS swap guy. If I wanted to put a car on the road quickly,  I would also go crate engine.  You can add EFI later and AC. I did my LS swap as I had time and I ended up getting the LS drive train for free (after parting out the rest of the car). But that took the better part of a year.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on April 06, 2019, 05:47:33 PM
Progress has been extremely slow as of late.  Definitely not due to losing interest, but the fact that I have accepted a position in Lynchburg VA.  The car is all packed and ready to go to it's next destination.....Storage in Lynchburg until we settle in a new place.

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I am debating on whether pushing it onto a Uhaul vehicle transporter or rolling onto a tow dolly.  Since it is not running it may be a challenge placing it onto a trailer and I am not keen on dragging it with a dow dolly.  Any suggestions!?!?!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: 79GoldnTan on April 06, 2019, 06:47:23 PM
Wow, looks good. If it were me I would make the effort  to put it on a trailer. My daughter recently moved to Lynchburg. 7 hour trip one way for me. Nice area, she very happy there so far.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on April 06, 2019, 09:21:05 PM
Good luck in your new position and new home!
The nice thing about these projects is that they will wait patiently for you. 
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on April 07, 2019, 06:28:13 AM
Congrats on the job. As far as moving the car, I would go the extra and put it on a trailer. I have loaded several of these non running cars myself. I have always used a 'come-a-long' to do the job. I crank it up to the limit, block the wheels, reset and crank again. It will give you a bit of a workout though. After the last time I said I was going to buy a winch. You can get one that should be able to do the job from TSC or HF for pretty cheap. Good Luck.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Nexus on July 10, 2019, 01:31:56 AM
Anything new lately?
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on July 17, 2019, 11:27:08 AM
Unfortunately I do not have any updates.  I recently relocated to the Lynchburg VA area and have the car in a storage unit there.  I am hoping to pull it out next week.  The only thing that I have been doing Trans Am related lately is researching what to do for an engine.

Hopefully we will be settled in the new house soon and have the car with me to move onto the next step.

Thanks for checking in.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Nexus on July 18, 2019, 02:01:37 AM
Unfortunately I do not have any updates.  I recently relocated to the Lynchburg VA area and have the car in a storage unit there.  I am hoping to pull it out next week.  The only thing that I have been doing Trans Am related lately is researching what to do for an engine.

Hopefully we will be settled in the new house soon and have the car with me to move onto the next step.

Thanks for checking in.

Np...Hope you're getting settled in to the new place ok and that you can fire up the project again. What are thinking of doing with the engine?
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on July 18, 2019, 10:50:26 AM
Nexus - I am really torn between keeping it old school with either a 400 or 455 or go to an LS conversion.  At this point I am leaning towards the LS for no certain reason.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Nexus on July 18, 2019, 04:40:26 PM
Nexus - I am really torn between keeping it old school with either a 400 or 455 or go to an LS conversion.  At this point I am leaning towards the LS for no certain reason.

So...

What about a blend of both...using a massaged original block and putting a Holly Sniper setup or something where you have EFC topper for that reliability

Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Grand73Am on July 18, 2019, 07:22:48 PM
Personally, I think a Quadra-Jet on a Pontiac is pretty darn reliable  :-) .
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Nexus on July 18, 2019, 08:08:42 PM
Personally, I think a Quadra-Jet on a Pontiac is pretty darn reliable  :-) .

It is great...when tuned correctly and it is getting harder and harder to find someone who actually knows what they're doing with them...but I agree with you 100%
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on July 19, 2019, 05:03:46 AM
You're right, very tough to find someone to tune carbs now a days to the level of home installed efi. I still want to swap a 90's throttle body efi onto my 301 Formula.  More for fun at it runs really well with the stock "reman" carb on it now. Start ups would be much better and not at the high rpm it is today.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on July 19, 2019, 06:50:30 AM
I asked the guy to put in efi when I had my motor rebuilt. He talked me out of it. Reasoning was for all the more I was planning on driving, it wouldn't be worth the expense. I have put probably 1000 miles or less a year since and it runs great with a carb. I figured when these cars were new they ran pretty good so why 'fix what aint broke'? Also, I grew up driving cars with carbs so I know a bit what to expect.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Nexus on July 20, 2019, 06:56:00 PM
I asked the guy to put in efi when I had my motor rebuilt. He talked me out of it. Reasoning was for all the more I was planning on driving, it wouldn't be worth the expense. I have put probably 1000 miles or less a year since and it runs great with a carb. I figured when these cars were new they ran pretty good so why 'fix what aint broke'? Also, I grew up driving cars with carbs so I know a bit what to expect.

there is a lot to the experience factor to running carbs...I just looked through an old post with the EFI on a 301 build the Form was interacting with. This idea never even crossed my mind before. I have an old 2000 Chevy in the back that I can steal parts from and probably do a relatively easy EFI swap onto my 301...I also have a rebuilt carb that I have never put back on the car since it was fixed...probably go that route first and go from there.

I guess we kinda hijacked the thread a bit...apologies!!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on August 19, 2019, 06:01:40 PM
Well after 3 long months of not being touched the firebird has landed in its new home.  Still have a few things that I would like to do in my garage before working on the car, but it feels great to have the car out of storage.  My first step will be removing all of the parts that I shoved in the interior prior to shipping from PA to VA.  Once I have the car emptied I am going to remove the hood and fenders in preparation of an engine that I have yet to purchase.....

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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on August 20, 2019, 07:24:39 AM
Congrats on getting you car home. Your garage looks pretty nice! One other thing, you need to change the name of your thread LOL.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on August 29, 2019, 04:30:51 AM
Thanks Kerry.  And yes....I may have to change the title to my thread.

After many questions (Ryeguy) and research I finally pulled the trigger and put a deposit down on a power plant in transmission.  Next Wednesday I will be picking up a 5.7 LS1 with transmission out of a 98 Camaro.  I guess I am now committed to going LS.  This is both exciting and nerve racking, but thanks to the TAC forum I am sure "I can get by with a little help from my friends".  I have already started rereading both Turbo's and Ryeguy's forum for some additional insight.

I am still unpacking all of the parts that I had stored in my car for the transportation from PA to VA.  Hopefully that will be done next week so I can concentrate on my plan of attack for the LS.

Hopefully the next time I submit an update it will include some progress on the car....
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on August 29, 2019, 04:40:29 AM
Sweet! Ryan was a big help on my swap as well. I have the 98 LS too and he tuned my ecm for me. Can't wait to see the progress!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on August 29, 2019, 07:16:50 AM
Good Deal!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Nexus on August 29, 2019, 02:50:53 PM
Cool news

I look forward to the progress!!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on September 04, 2019, 07:11:51 PM
The engine made it home to Virginia and is resting nicely in the garage with it's mating trans.  It may be awhile before doing to much to it, but the research has started tonight for the best mounting solution for the engine and trans.

I will post pictures later this week of the engine and transmission.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on September 04, 2019, 07:47:54 PM
Cool. I used dirty dingo engine mounts and moved the engine forward so I didn't have to notch the frame for the alternator.  That also let me use the stock trans mount without cutting it. I just moved it forward and put the back bolts in the front holes. It worked out great! I also used stock exhaust manifolds. Good luck! Fun project.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on September 05, 2019, 04:56:27 AM
Thanks FormTA.   I will have to look into the Dirty Dingo Mounts.  I definitely don't want to be cutting/welding anything.  Do you recall the Dirty Dingo part numbers?  I will be rereading that portion again of your thread, maybe it is in there.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: FormTA on September 05, 2019, 05:51:39 AM
I doubt it. I was not very good at posting details early on in that thread but I'm pretty sure they were the DD-3350C mounts. They give a lot of adjustment but I think I set mine in the middle and dropped it in to where it was and it just happened to be right the fist time.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: ryeguy2006a on September 05, 2019, 01:22:32 PM
Congrats on the motor! I took a buddy for a ride in my Camaro a few days ago, and he said immediately after the ride that he's getting an LS motor.  :cool:
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on September 05, 2019, 05:38:21 PM
Here are a few snap shots of the engine and trans.

My garage helper is in the background.  LOL

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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: Nexus on September 05, 2019, 08:47:15 PM
purdy!!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on September 07, 2019, 08:40:06 AM
Just a curiosity, but whats the deal with the motor. Do you know the mileage? and is this something that you plan on installing as is, or is there any kind of rebuild that will be associated with it?
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on September 07, 2019, 06:27:30 PM
No concrete plans.  As of now I will probably pull the oil pan and valve covers to look for wear.  It came with 145k miles and I saw a video of it running.  Seemed to run smooth with no noticeable knocks or ticks.  I will probably drop it in and mock up the harness layout.  Currently I am researching motor mounts.  In the meantime I am still unpacking parts from the move, so I have a long road ahead of me.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on September 12, 2019, 10:09:34 PM
Congrats on the pulling the trigger on the motor. 
I used motor mounts and trans cross-member from BRP Hot-Rods and was happy with the results.  My '99 LS1 dropped in using the stock Alternator and PS mounting points.  I used a high mount AC Compressor mount, so I'm not sure if the stock AC location would've cleared.  I was able to use stock '99 F-Body exhaust manifolds with no clearance issues.
I have a whole list of PN's and sources I used for my LS1 Swap.  Let me know if you have any questions.  I'm not the technical expert Ryeguy is, but my '81 TA/99LS1 Swap is fresh in my mind. Anything that worked for me will almost definitely work for your '79.
Good luck! 
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on September 13, 2019, 04:45:52 AM
Congrats on the pulling the trigger on the motor. 
I used motor mounts and trans cross-member from BRP Hot-Rods and was happy with the results.  My '99 LS1 dropped in using the stock Alternator and PS mounting points.  I used a high mount AC Compressor mount, so I'm not sure if the stock AC location would've cleared.  I was able to use stock '99 F-Body exhaust manifolds with no clearance issues.
I have a whole list of PN's and sources I used for my LS1 Swap.  Let me know if you have any questions.  I'm not the technical expert Ryeguy is, but my '81 TA/99LS1 Swap is fresh in my mind. Anything that worked for me will almost definitely work for your '79.
Good luck!

Thanks Tom.  I am sure that I will be reaching out for tips.  I have read your thread a few times along with Ryeguy's.  The questions will be coming as soon as I finish settling in the garage and remove the hood, fenders, etc to help me gain better access to the engine compartment.  In sake for my budget, I went ahead and ordered the Dirty Dingo mounts.  From what I am seeing and hearing these will work without any major modifications.

Since I don't have a shop crane, and after scrouring the local classifieds and having no luck, it looks like a trip to Harbor Freight is in my near future.

Thanks
KM
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: TATurbo on September 13, 2019, 08:27:30 PM
I'm sure the DD mounts will work just as well. No worries.
Where are you at in VA?  I have an engine stand and cherry picker which are sitting here collecting dust.  I should probably sell 'em as I don't think I'll use them again.  They are literally like new.  Only ever used on my one project.
I'm driving down through Western VA on 81 tomorrow afternoon and back up the same way Tuesday.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: mereness on September 15, 2019, 10:55:02 AM
I'm sure the DD mounts will work just as well. No worries.
Where are you at in VA?  I have an engine stand and cherry picker which are sitting here collecting dust.  I should probably sell 'em as I don't think I'll use them again.  They are literally like new.  Only ever used on my one project.
I'm driving down through Western VA on 81 tomorrow afternoon and back up the same way Tuesday.

Thanks for the offer Tom.  I believe my PM got to you late.

Anyway, I was able to pick up a lift and leveler at HF relatively cheaply, by stacking their coupons.  LOL

I am hoping my next next post will show some progress on the car.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in PA
Post by: roadking77 on September 16, 2019, 05:48:36 AM
Glad they worked out for you! LOL
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on October 06, 2019, 04:05:23 PM
Baby Steps!

A little progress has been made preparing the LS for its dress rehearsal with the car before I have the harness and ECU modified.  So far the headers, alternator, AC compressor, starter, etc have been taken off to not only lighten up the load but also make it a little easier setting in the engine bay.

I did run across a spark plug trapped by the old engine mount.  So I guess the plugs have been changed at least once in its lifetime.
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The engine is on the hook with the new motor mounts installed and in-line with ready for it's first dry run.  I am sure I will have to adjust the Dirty Dingo mounts once I have it sitting in the car.

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I can feel a mental health day from work coming up so I can visit my therapist in my garage.....LOL

Have a great week!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: roadking77 on October 07, 2019, 06:35:26 AM
I dont think I could sleep if I had a motor ready to install in my car. That would be the perfect cure for my insomnia, LOL. Also, noticed you changed your title.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on October 13, 2019, 12:37:37 PM
Finally had a chance to fit the engine.  I wasn't sure if it was a 1 man job or not, but the levelor from HF was a blessing.  Had to go in at quite the angle but it sat nice up until I realized the engine mounts on the subframe were in the wrong location.
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The picture above shows the misalignment from the mount on the subframe to that of the Dirty Dingo mount.  So low and behold I ended up moving the mounts. Again who was the GM Engineer that designed the installation of the darn mounts.  Anyway after switching the location the engine sat great in the engine bay and the original transmission mount looks to work as well.

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It appears the best spot thus far for the ECU is on the passengers side firewall.  Has anyone tried putting it anywhere else.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: FormTA on October 13, 2019, 04:43:55 PM
Glad you got it in. For now I have mine on the passenger wheel well. Intake to the driver side battery location and battery moved to the passenger side. Some day I plan to pull the factory harness apart and remove the few unused wires and lengthen the others so I can mount it inside somewhere.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: Nexus on October 14, 2019, 09:32:10 PM
Awesome progress!!!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: ryeguy2006a on October 22, 2019, 05:45:24 AM
When I did my 1976, I mounted mine on the passenger side kick panel in the interior of the car. I cut a hole in the firewall behind the intake manifold and was able to route the whole harness through the hole from the inside. It made for a pretty clean install IMO. I can dig up some pictures if you want, or it's somewhere in my build thread.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on October 22, 2019, 05:32:49 PM
Ryan if you have some pics that may help me in my decision.  I would either like to put it inside the firewall or where the charcoal canister resides in the front of the passenger side wheel well.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on October 27, 2019, 01:18:10 PM
So a little more progress has been made.  Not as much as I would like, but it seems like the only garage time that I get is on the weekends.

I have decided to either put the PCM on the passenger front wheel well or inside by the kick panel on the passenger side.  The engine and trans are back out and separated.  After I separated them I realized that I should have power washed them.  So now after I have separated them what is the best way to clean them up?  I have the water pump off along with the intake.  I don't want to get anything in the engine that can possibly harm it.
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My only plans with the engine are to clean it up and paint it pontiac blue.

Have a great day.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: roadking77 on October 28, 2019, 03:46:58 PM
C'mon, add a little horsepower while your at it! LOL.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: FormTA on October 28, 2019, 05:21:53 PM
He is. It's at least double the stock engine... :cool:
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: Nexus on October 30, 2019, 10:54:25 PM
I would stuff the holes tight with rags and be careful cleaning around them...at least when you pullout the rags, the dirt will come with it but I would also vaccum up the loose dirt before pulling the rags out of the holes.

Someone smarter might have a better idea though!!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on November 07, 2019, 07:52:14 PM
It has been awhile since I last updated my thread, but I really haven't made a lot newsworthy progress.  I have been cleaning up the engine in preparation to throwing some rattle can paint on it.

From the reading I have been doing, I won't need the Oil Level Sensor that sits in the side of the oil pan.  I ordered a plug from Amazon (ICT Billet P/N 551413).  When I started to thread it in it seemed like the threads were different on the plug as opposed to that of the sensor.  I do know that my engine is an early 98 LS out of a camaro.  Has anyone run into this issue?  I scoured the internet and haven't been able to find another one with different threads.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: FormTA on November 08, 2019, 06:04:47 AM
I thought the ecm needed the signal.  Maybe I'm wrong.  I pulled the plate and drilled and tapped it, installed a 45 elbow and the 79 oil sending unit.  My car has both sending unit.  Maybe Ryan will chime in. He know more than I.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: TATurbo on November 08, 2019, 11:02:24 PM
Hey! Something I might be able to help with!
  I researched that oil level sensor for my '99 F-Body LS1.  The ECM does not require that signal.  It was only used for an idiot 'low oil' light on the dash.  To plug it  I used PN 551413 from Jegs: https://www.jegs.com/i/ICT-Billet/335/551413/10002/-1 (https://www.jegs.com/i/ICT-Billet/335/551413/10002/-1).  It's listed there as 'M20x1.5' with an O-ring.
You didn't ask, but on a related note...
I also found that (at least) the 98-99 ECM's do not require a signal from the Oil Pressure sensor (The one at the rear of the intake manifold) either.  I replaced that oil pressure sensor behind the intake manifold with the appropriate sensor for my stock oil '81 pressure gauge using an adapter (JEGS PN 551172).  Because of the size of the '81 oil pressure sensor it didn't fit right into that position at the rear of the manifold. So,  I had to use a small tube to relocate the sensor itself.  I got the 'tube to relocate the oil pressure sensor' idea from the '79 Olds 403 which came stock with a tube to solve the same problem on those motors. (Sensor too big to fit in the oil pressure port).  I  have pics of that in my build post somewhere. 

Hope this helps!
-Tom

P.S. Both the plug and oil pressure stuff are mentioned and pictured on page 5 of my build thread (link in signature).  And, to clarify the oil pressure sensor "in 1998-2002, the oil pressure sending units were not used by the computer, they were only used by the Body computer and gauges, in 2003+ the computer uses them".  (That info is from one of the LS Swap harness vendors.)
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on November 09, 2019, 05:25:57 AM
Tom,

Thank you for all of the info.  I will check the jegs site out and order those parts.  Since I started doing my engine I have been going to your thread for some of the great detailed information.  If you have any other info or recall any specific parts that you ordered for your swap, please send them along.  I remember when I was doing my brakes, suspension, etc you emailed me a very useful spreadsheet of the parts that you used for a reference.  Did you happen to do the same for your swap?  LOL  My engine is out of a '98 Camaro, so should be very similar to yours.

Next step is to find out a way to print both your thread and Ryan's thread so I can have them in the garage with me as I go through my swap.

As always TAC's members are the greatest resource for anyone going through an F-Body rebuild.

Thanks a ton.
Kevin

Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: FormTA on November 09, 2019, 05:54:07 AM
Great info Tom! It's been a while since I did mine and I didn't do half of the research you did. Thanks to Ryan, I have mine running.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: TATurbo on November 10, 2019, 12:58:10 AM
I'm glad I am able to help!
I have pretty much every part I used for my swap in that spreadsheet.  There's a 'drive train' tab at the bottom of that sheet..click on that...all the engine/trans stuff is in there.  It looks like I did most of that stuff from like March '18 through Fall '18.  If the spreadsheet you have is older than that(or if you're not sure) let me know. I'll send you a new copy. 
IIRC '98 and 99 are exactly the same engine wise.  The computer is a little different(but interchangable), and the '98 Temp sensor wires are different.
I ended up with a bit of a mixed bag with '99 LS1 using a later model PCM.  That's just because the wire harness package I bought came 'all inclusive' and they chose to provide a later model PCM.  Anyway...that's a whole 'nother discussion.  That place sort of left me hanging with a 'tune related' set of 'Too Lean condition' codes. 

Anyway...Let me know if you want another copy of the spreadsheet. (Did I email it the last time?)
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on November 20, 2019, 07:53:32 PM
Not a lot of great or exciting news to report, but thought that I would give a quick update.  All my work in the past weeks have been concentrating on freshening up the engine.  I was able to separate it from the transmission.  Clean it up, install oil pan gaskets, intake gaskets, belly pan gaskets, oil filter, spark plugs, wires, etc.  Also, I was able to through a coat of paint on the valve covers, intake, fuel rail, and engine.

This picture doesn't reflect all of the updates.  The fuel rail and new water pump are now installed as well.  I have since moved on to freshening up the transmission.

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Over the next few weeks I am hoping to relocate the oil pressure switch and install the temperature sensor, then move on to marrying up the engine and transmission to drop them back in the car.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: Nexus on November 20, 2019, 10:02:47 PM
That looks cool
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: FormTA on November 20, 2019, 10:08:12 PM
Wow that looks so good! I should have done something similar but I just dropped it in the car after I removed it from the donor.

I like the color choice too.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: roadking77 on November 21, 2019, 08:26:47 AM
Looks great!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: MNBob on November 21, 2019, 10:39:32 AM
Very cleanly detailed!  That should look really nice installed.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: ryeguy2006a on November 21, 2019, 11:59:00 AM
Wow, that motor looks great! Depending on what gauges you use, you probably won't need that stock oil pressure sensor. If using the stock gauges, you would use the stock Pontiac sensor, or if aftermarket you would use their specific sensor.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on November 26, 2019, 06:16:33 AM
Thanks for all the positive responses for part of the project that I actually downplayed.  I was thinking clean it up real good, prep it, paint it, and plop it back in.  But typical me I ended up re-gasketing most of the engine without digging into the heads.  Then that lead to buying new sensors (throttle body, map, etc.).  So I will be glad getting the trans off of the engine stand, married up to the engine, and finally back in the car for now.

So moving onto the next project I have a few questions:
-What is the sensor on the tail piece of the transmission?  I can get a picture of it if someone would like.  I was just wondering if I should replace this as well.
-What is everyone else using for a fuel system (tank, lines, pump, filter, etc.) for their swap?  My car engine is a 5.7 out of a 98 Camaro if that makes a difference.
-While researching (saving?) for the fuel system I am also wondering what everyone is using for radiator and fan?

To try to let the funds build back up I bought a few things to start on the dash.  So hopefully I will be posting those pictures in the coming month.

Thanks again and Happy Holidays to all!!!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: FormTA on November 26, 2019, 07:47:17 AM
Like most I used a spectra EFI fuel tank, a Corvette fuel filter (which converts it to a returnless system) and plastic nylon fuel line (like what is used on new cars) I'll see if I can find some part numbers for you. It's been a while since I did my swap so there is probably better options out there. But that's what I did and it seemed to work.

The nylon kit below is just to give you and idea, I didn't buy that kit, I bought everything separate from my local Napa.

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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on November 27, 2019, 10:13:24 AM
Thanks for the info Form.

Below is a link to the Spectra Tank.  Great Deal.  Unfortunately I do not have a Pep Boys near me and they do not ship.  The nearest store is over 2 hours one way.

https://www.pepboys.com/spectra-premium-fuel-tank-and-pump-assy-w-fn-/product/1259153/1998/CHEVROLET/CORVETTE/V8-346%20%205.7L%20GEN%20III
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: FormTA on November 27, 2019, 03:04:12 PM
If you do get one, double check to make sure the sock filter didn't fall of in shipping. I heard many folks had this problem. As you can see on the picture I bought mine on Amazon in 2015. I think I paid $225 back then.... There may be better options out there now. I haven't looked.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on December 01, 2019, 05:16:22 PM
Thanks for all the great information on fuel delivery.  It definitely gives me some numbers (cost) to shoot for.

The long weekend was a success.  The transmission got cleaned, painted, filter changed, and married back up to the engine.  From there I dropped the transmission and engine back into the car.  I am hoping that I don't have to pull it back out.
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After the trans and engine were installed, I decided to move forward with the dash repair.  Thanks to some detailed threads from Roadking and others, I started to pull off the brittle portions.  Well, it seemed like what I thought wasn't going to be bad, I am going to have to repair the bulk of the dash.  I have 1 can of Padded Dash Filler, but I might just as well order another can....
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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: FormTA on December 01, 2019, 05:32:50 PM
Engine looks amazing! Oh wow! That dash needs some help... Good luck! I hope it come out like the engine!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: Nexus on December 02, 2019, 07:20:42 AM
Great progress!!!

I have a cap the I purchased years ago but after seeing how people are using the filler, I'm not sure what route to go...the one dash I have has little wrong with it but watching everyone fix their dashes makes me lean in that direction.

I look forward to seeing that progress

updates look great...thanks
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: roadking77 on December 02, 2019, 07:56:48 AM
Transplant looks fantastic! Good luck with the dash repair, ive seen worse.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on December 07, 2019, 02:43:05 PM
Thanks everyone.

I ran across this EFI package.  Curious if anyone has any experience with this company??

https://www.classicperform.com/Complete-Fuel-Injection-Ready-Tank-Kits/fuel-injection-tank-kits.htm
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: TATurbo on December 08, 2019, 11:09:08 PM
The motor looks great! Congrats on getting it installed.  That's a big milestone!
  I think replacing gaskets and sensors at this stage is a smart move.  I did the same thing with mine. I've only put maybe 1200 miles on the combo there's been no problems (knock on wood).  And I was confident enough to make an 800 mi. road trip no problem.  Additionally, my brother was thankful it hasn't leaked a drop of anything on his new (at the time) shop floor.  (Having known this car many years, and having several of his own F-Bodies he was surprised it hasn't tried to mark it's territory down there.)

Regarding that fuel system kit...
I don't have any experience with that company or their kit.  But, I can tell you that the CPP kit would be much cheaper than what I ended up using. I used kits from BRP Hot Rods. They had a Tank and Pump kit for 550.00 and a fuel line/regulator kit for 399.00.  So, I spent 950.00 for my fuel system, almost twice the cost of the CPP kit you found.  The only difference might be the line. The  BRP kit uses P.T.F.E fuel line.  I think PTFE is very heavy duty stuff which might be overkill in our applications.  There are links to the BRP kit I used on that Parts List spreadsheet, Drive Train tab.
I don't see a list of parts on the CPP site, but the pic seems to show everything you need from tank to fuel rail.  For the price, it seems like a great deal to me. 

Regarding the Trans sensor question...
I'm no expert on the 4L60E Transmission (or any other Transmission for that matter.  But I suspect the sensor on the Transmission you mentioned is probably the speed signal/sensor on the passenger side of the Trans tailshaft.  I don't think they are a wear item or send any signal that would inhibit getting the car fired up and running.  I did not replace mine.  It's not in a tough spot to access either, so if you did have some sort of code or trans related drive-ability issue it'd be easy enough to replace it at that time.

Congrats again on the progress...Looks awesome so far!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: FormTA on December 09, 2019, 04:47:15 AM
Wow, that looks to be a nice kit for the price.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on December 10, 2019, 05:08:18 PM
Thanks for the input on the few deals that I came across on the fuel systems.  I still haven't decided which to move forward with. 

My dash has been throwing me fits.  After the first pass with the padded filler and a sand down, I noticed that where the new filler meets the old dash that it is separating.  Has anyone else experienced this?  The only thing that I can think about is I didn't use any adhesion promoter.
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After the first pass with filler and sanding, I had to order more filler.  I did go ahead with another pass of filler.  We will see if I get better results.  Any advice or tips would be great....  I am starting to consider a dash cover.

Thanks.  Have a great day.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: TATurbo on December 10, 2019, 10:21:14 PM
Sorry...I got nothin' on the Dash restoration except to offer a viable plan B if problems persist....
  I used this Dash pad  overlay from Ecklers: https://www.ecklers.com/firebird-dash-pad-overlay-1978-1981-75-282286-1.html (https://www.ecklers.com/firebird-dash-pad-overlay-1978-1981-75-282286-1.html)
 I was hesitant about using one of these.  I was concerned it would look awkward, show as an obvious 'cover', not fit properly or show seams. But for less than a hundred bucks I figured I'd give it a shot.  I was pleasantly surprised by the results.  Taking time to install the piece carefully and do some fit and finish work after it was glued down, we were able to get the cover to be entirely unnoticeable.  Honestly, I found it remarkable.
There are several pics of the dash in my thread beginning on page 2. (You need to click on the Photobucket pics to get full resolution.). If you're not happy with the resto results, I would definitely recommend this cover as a Plan B.

Also...
 I didn't go back to look,  but I think you asked about the cooling system earlier? If so... I used this set up from Firebird Central: PN RAD-410K
https://www.firebirdcentral.com/searchresults.asp?Search=rad-410k&Submit= (https://www.firebirdcentral.com/searchresults.asp?Search=rad-410k&Submit=). 425 for the radiator, dual fans and shroud was a decent deal I think. But you might find a cheaper solution.
 There were a few things I hadn't thought of that I had to work through...Steam Vent return line,  Hoses, Radiator mounting, overflow, and Trans cooling lines.    Let me know if you want input on those things. 
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on December 23, 2019, 04:18:21 PM
Not much to report on here.  I have been knocked down with an illness.  I am getting anxious to getting back in the garage to see if I can overcome the separation from the filler and old material.  The plan is to try Roadkings suggestion of drywall tape.  I picked up a roll just before I got sick.  If I can't get this to work.  I will picking up the dash pad that TATurbo used.

One big purchase that I did pull the trigger on was the fuel system.  I found the CPP System on Ebay for $480 plus tax.  Below is the link if anyone else is looking.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-81-Chevy-Camaro-LS-EFI-Fuel-Injection-Gas-Tank-FI-Conversion-Kit-90-ohm/283460956120?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649

Maybe next month I will start looking for a cooling system (radiator, fans, etc).

As always thanks for the great advice.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: TATurbo on December 24, 2019, 11:44:08 PM
Nice find on that fuel system kit. I think one would be hard pressed to find a complete end to end kit for a better price.  Looks like a score to me.

Hope you're feeling better soon!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on February 18, 2020, 06:22:36 PM
Finally getting some time in the garage after the holidays and an extended illness.  Although I was under the weather it didn't keep me from purchasing some parts.

I have received my battery relocation kit, Fuel System, and just yesterday my radiator.

The battery relocation kit looks to be pretty straight forward, but like everything else that I order, I will have to get some additional items.  Such as longer ground cable and an additional grommet for the ground wire to be routed through the sheet metal.

The fuel system is coming together nicely.  The sender and pump are installed.  I need to fabricate a bracket for the vent.  This shouldn't be awfull bad.  I am hoping to have that installed by the end of this weekend.  And of course I will need to purchase some wiring prior to setting and securing the tank in place
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Now for the radiator.  I just cracked open the box tonight that contains the radiator, shroud, and both fans all in separate boxes.  Prior to ordering I read on some reviews that Cold Case was not making these radiators with the trans cooler ports, although on the picture to purchase the kit it shows the 2 ports.  This is the link if anyone is interested.  I though the price was pretty fair. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07C9SBQGX/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o07_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Here is a picture of the radiator.  So my next logical question is, has anyone else in this situation had to purchase a separate unit for the transmission?  If so, what do you recommend.

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Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: ryeguy2006a on February 19, 2020, 07:39:05 AM
Great progress! I saw those Cold Case radiators when I was at Spring Carlisle last year. They looked to be very high quality. You'll like the dual pass radiator too, it really cleans up the engine bay with an LS swap.
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: TATurbo on February 19, 2020, 09:39:51 PM
So, do I understand you correctly that the current Cold Case 'dual pass' (inlet and outlet on passenger side) LS Swap radiators do not have Trans cooler provisions any more?  You -have- to run a separate dedicated Trans cooler? I didn't realize it was so long ago now, but I got mine back in October 2018.  It had the Trans cooler provisions but did not have the 'steam vent return' line provision.  Back then it was a surprise to me that there was no steam vent provision because it was pictured in the pic on the Firebird Central website.

I think I mentioned this before, but you might want to check to see if the fans include a pig-tail for the wiring connection.  I was annoyed that they provide a unique female 2 pin connector on their fan wires but don't provide the male side of that connector so you can neatly wire it up to the fan relays on the PCM fuse block.   Cold Case happens to be be based (or at least have a shop) just a few miles from me. I drove up there and they gave me a set of male connectors.   Obviously you could just replace them with a generic set of terminals, but still...it bugged me that they don't include them.

I don't have any advice or suggestions for a cooler, but I posted some info about the steam vent return, mounting the shroud, and mounting the radiator itself on page 7 of my build thread.

Congrats on the progress! From here it feels like you are sort of getting close to almost being ready to get ready to fire it up. ;-) Keep at it!

Oh...One more thought...
Careful installing the ground wire to the post on top of the fuel sender.  The ground post on mine broke off a lot easier than I thought it would!  It was an easy fix, but it still sucked at the time.

Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on February 20, 2020, 06:59:48 AM
I did find a Trans Cooler from Jegs and of course googled the heck out of installing one.  They seem pretty simple.  I did not verify through Cold Case that they discontinued the radiator that included the transmission.  I just took my readings online as gospel.  Could be one of many errors that cost me additional money. 

Tom - thanks for the tips on the radiator fan and fuel sender ground.  I will definitely be mindful when I get to them.  I am hoping to dry fit the radiator this weekend as I am sure that I will have to order some mounting hardware.

I am hoping that I am inching closer to a start up.  There are many things that I need to tie up prior to cranking the key though.

Thanks for all of the advice!!
Title: Re: 79 TATA Project in VA
Post by: mereness on February 23, 2020, 05:38:54 PM
Has anyone used these types of connections on their fuel line?  They came with my fuel line kit from CPP.  I have never seen them before and unsure if I use them with clamps or just a push fit.

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